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RICKAMAVEN Offline
#1 Posted:
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have studied more about the bible then you have and it is a myth to explain what happened. if you chose to believe in it as passionately as you do, i see no objection. i think you are and should be fine with your beliefs.

now how about recognizing my belief system and granting me the same respect.

i will look forward to your response that respects my personal beliefs.
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#2 Posted:
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well unless you have not had time to respond, which i doubt, you have demonstrated a narrow mindedness that i had hoped was not there.

you are no more then a bible quoting bigot who has no rachmones for anyone else's point of view.

don't forget one of the big guys is a relative of mine.

18delta Offline
#3 Posted:
Joined: 09-18-2004
Posts: 3,235
one of the big guys is a relative of mine?


what are you talking about?

rick, i do not know what your beliefs are. i doubt that you have studied the Bible more than i, but many have studied the Bible all of their lives and still refuse to believe. if you choose not to believe, that is entirely up to you---------a right afforded you by the constitution of the u.s.a. i could really care less what you think of me."narrow minded bigot". rick, if you study the Bible with the intent of picking it apart, it would be impossible for you to understand it, much less believe it. obviously you have not studied the Bible enough to know that it clearly states that the "things of God are spritually discerned". also, it is impossible for one to have the spirit of God indwelling them if they do not believe. therefore, you are wasting your time attempting to understand it. the Bible also states that prior to conversion, one is "dead in sins and trespasses". if then, according to the Bible, one is "dead in sins and trespasses" (spiritually dead, concerning the things of God), how do you suppose that they could understand or believe? rick, i believe that you may be the one who is actually more bigoted than anyone. you are most bigoted towards those who refuse to swallow your beliefs as you attempt to shove them down their throats. well sir, i will not have you attempting to sway me to believe anything that you say, just because you say it and in the name of "tolerance", "togetherness", and "acceptance". you can take your beliefs and do what you will with them but do not attempt to sway me with your accusations of bigotry and otherwise. i believe what i believe and you believe what you believe. it is a fudamental difference of beliefs that we have. i do not lose sleep over it as you obviously do. whatever you may be thinking, i do not have to accept your beliefs or opinions, or anything else for that matter. i did not nor do i expect you to believe waht i believe. as previously stated, it is a free country in which we live-not a "mandatory acceptance of everyone state". the fact that you believe what you do is just that, a fact. i, however, am not obliged to give you anything that i choose not too. honestly, it seems to me that if you were so secure in your beliefs, that you would not have to "ping" someone to try and draw them into a public forum and paint them as you see fit to try and justify yourself. i mean really rick, if you believe whatever, fine with me. i assume that everyone by now knows what i believe. if it is not fine with you, well, i hate it. that is why this country is so great, we do not have to believe any thing we do not want to nor do we have to accept anything we do not want to. we, of course, must ABIDE by the law but we do not have to accept it as morally right. again, that is an individual decision, not a group decision. i believe abortion to be an abomination and the most morally reprehensible act that i can think of at the moment. that does not mean that i can, by law, prevent someone else from having an abortion. i also believe, as i have stated in previous posts, that it is just as wrong for one to murder abortion clinic workersor patients. each of us has to have balance between the circumstances in which we find ourselves, and those things which we believe in our hearts to be true or right. the Bible affords us that right, as it clearly teaches that we should subject ourselves to the powers that be, under the law. but never does it teach us that we must believe that said law is correct or morally upright. i am completely comfortable in my position, both before God and before men. as for what you think or believe, it really does not matter to me because i refuse to let the beliefs of others that I may consider to be without a moral leg to stand on, influence the way in which i choose to live. that being said, do what you want, say whjat you want, believe what you want. I DO NOT CARE. youi are free to do as you please, within the law. if you should choose to step outside the law, that also is entirely up to you. the only acceptance i am obligated to give you is to realize that you are a citizen of this country as well as i, and that you are afforded the same rights as i under the law. but NOWHERE in the law of God or man is it stated or even implied, that i have to ACCEPT you or what you believe as being right-morally or otherwise. do what you will and i will do the same. i will continue to disregard your system of beliefs as merely reprobate, and, if you will, you may do the same with my beliefs. let me me say before i close, i am unsure of the EXACT nature of your beliefs. but i can see, as anyone could from your posts, that your beliefs are probably at the least diametrically opposed to mine at the core. while i think that you have told the truth concerning the past activities of pres. bush, i still remain confident that he is a far better choice than the alternative. so, i would say that we could be in agreement regarding some historical FACT, we remain opposed on other issues.


IS THAT CLOSED MINDED ENOUGH FOR YOU?

if not, let me know and i'll try to be even more closed minded next time.........

by the way, i admit that my statement concerning the fact that "i hate liberals" was false. i do not hate them as they do not enter my mind enough to be concerning except at election time. so i guess you could say that i used the word "hate" as an expression. maybe a bad one, but i remain firm in the fact that i utterly despise most liberal values and practices, such as abortion, etc.
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#4 Posted:
Joined: 10-01-2000
Posts: 33,248
18delta

i think somewhere in your post you might have said you accept my opinions are different then yours, but i might have read it too fast so i might have missed the part where you say you respect my beliefs.

i just read it again and you have not once mentioned your respect for my beliefs. you are a narrow minded, self focused, bible quoting bigot. you are doomed to eternal damnation for your lack of respect. the relative i refered to is my old, old relative, jesus, and i don't mean the spanish pronunciation

my rights according to the constitution are unalienable. i guess that means they were codifying what was already accepted., so i don't need no stinkin constitution to give me my rights.

mr B, show me where i have tried to sway you or anyone else into accepting my personal philosophy. if i did, may god strike me dead.

well i'm still hear.

"things of God are spritually discerned". also, it is impossible for one to have the spirit of God indwelling them if they do not believe. se hablo mucho pero no dice nada.

i believe you think of study as memorizing. it ain't.
can you read the old testament in hebrew. there are more christians on this board then the number of angels that can stand on the head of a pin and all your thumping won't make me think they are all nut cases like you. why it could be said "some of my best friends are christians" but it wouldn't be true, with the exception of my daughter in law, because she understands the teachings and doesn't find it necessary to quote to show me how good a christian she is.

by the way, i'll bet you didn't know jesus was a liberal. ask your preacher.


shalom





18delta Offline
#5 Posted:
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Posts: 3,235
if you will read the post again, you will see that i do understand your opinions are different than mine. i personally do not care what you believe. i also do not care to continue a hopeless line of communication with a liberal apostate who is "going about seeking to establish" his own righteousness, under his own law. i also think you are a moron. but, i am sure you don't care for my opinions either, so what. you continue to make a jackass out of yourself and seem to be content in doing so. who am i to interfere with that.
18delta Offline
#6 Posted:
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by the way, that's supposed to say, INALIENABLE.
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#7 Posted:
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We hold these truths to be self-evident; that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness.

From the Declaration of Independence July 4, 1776

RICKAMAVEN Offline
#8 Posted:
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by the way, i didn't ask for your understanding, i asked for no more then i gave, respect.
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#9 Posted:
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by the by, did you ask your preacher if jesus was a liberal.
Charlie Offline
#10 Posted:
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Jesus was not only a liberal, he was a radical liberal to say the least!

Charlie
DrMaddVibe Offline
#11 Posted:
Joined: 10-21-2000
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All this time I thought he was a carpenter?
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#12 Posted:
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Charlie

i was certain you knew that.

rick
18delta Offline
#13 Posted:
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jesus was certainly liberal in the context of mosaic law. he stated, however, that he came to fulfil the law, not to destroy it. rick, your brand of liberalism is something different altogether. to quote you, "it is a kind of sickness". btw, i love it when i am top on your list..........

delta
18delta Offline
#14 Posted:
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shalom


delta
usahog Offline
#15 Posted:
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Jesus was a Carpenter.... he was also Liberal but not in the aspect of Liberals today... as delta pointed out in his thread...

Hog
pabloescabar Offline
#16 Posted:
Joined: 02-25-2005
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Yes, JESUS was a carpenter NOW JESUS IS LORD !
usahog Offline
#17 Posted:
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Amen!!!
baracuda Offline
#18 Posted:
Joined: 10-03-2004
Posts: 833
Hey guys,
I'm new here, and don't have any problems talking about Jesus, but I thought we were supposed to be sharing in the pleasures of good smoke and good friends
CigarPrimate Offline
#19 Posted:
Joined: 09-18-2004
Posts: 701
"Jesus!" My exact word after I lit that Chateau Fuente 18Delta sent. I'm now a true believer.
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#20 Posted:
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baracuda

you are correct, but there is a nut case here named RICKAMAVEN who is obsessed with getting rid of bush and who keeps the action going with his taunting. he does a lot of copy and past, sort of like paul revere, trying to get different messages out. there was another rider out the same night as paul went around yelling the british are coming and the other rider rode over twice the distance. because the other rider was a woman, her name is hard to find.

truly, on the cigar board guys do talk about their cigars, and other cigar things, and it is a very good place to give and take information about cigars.

we used to have a political and a sports board. when they got combined, most discussions about cigars end up on the cigar board.

right now most of are letting off as much tension and sadness over one of better guys, tony beltrisi, known around here as CAVALLO. he and his wife suffered an auto accident a few days ago, which killed his bride of one year and he is in critical condition.

in my case and i am sure in others part of the postings over the last few days have been an attempt to keep in contact with one another, even if we argue.

the loss of the wife of one of the botl and possibly losing the brother himself hurts us deeply. in spite of all our squabbles, the loss of one of us is hard to bear. a few of us know each other face to face and some of us are sort of pen palls, but we are a bunch of strangers tha get together on these boards because we like each other's company.

stay with us, you will be rewarded with fellowship.
usahog Offline
#21 Posted:
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"right now most of are letting off as much tension and sadness over one of better guys, tony beltrisi, known around here as CAVALLO. he and his wife suffered an auto accident a few days ago, which killed his bride of one year and he is in critical condition."

SOB I didn't know anything about this Rick?? how come no one emailed??

why is this the first of it reaching the forum? WTF...

Keep us updated and let Tony Know he's in Our Prayers!!!!

Hog
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#22 Posted:
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USAHOG

i was going to post it but you found it.

very sad to hear about. he is a good person.
usahog Offline
#23 Posted:
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Yes he is...

the Wife and I have added he and his family in our prayers...

I still can't believe I didn't see that posting earlier... bit busy but I usually don't miss much on here...

God Be with Tony!!!!

Hog
18delta Offline
#24 Posted:
Joined: 09-18-2004
Posts: 3,235
true, rickmaven.

besides all our "petty" differences, this is a great group of guys. we do, however, love to aggravate the hell out of one another. i am also saddened by tony's loss as well as his own situation. hope he pulls through and can make a full recovery.

delta
pabloescabar Offline
#25 Posted:
Joined: 02-25-2005
Posts: 30,183
that was very nicely said Rickamaven.
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