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robertknyc Offline
#101 Posted:
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teedubbya wrote:

That comment made no sense in this context. It was sort of random lol. I defended bush so I'm about to fall to the left. Good one.


The context is that you'll defend Bush while 10 minutes later you'll call him the worst president ever or in our lifetime. THAT is someone trying to appear neutral or whatever while actually residing on the left.
teedubbya Offline
#102 Posted:
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robertknyc wrote:
The context is that you'll defend Bush while 10 minutes later you'll call him the worst president ever or in our lifetime. THAT is someone trying to appear neutral or whatever while actually residing on the left.



You really beleive that? So bush is either wrong about everything or right about everything? That is just silly.
teedubbya Offline
#103 Posted:
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I do think bush is the worst in my lifetime. But he didn't do everything wrong. To say he did actually weakens one's argument.

Voting for bush then thinking his actions sucked = turning left. How little thinking does that concept require?
cbc812 Offline
#104 Posted:
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This thread is a waste of time.

Anyone who's seen the footage knows that Osama had two arms and presumably still did when the Seals showed up.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#105 Posted:
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teedubbya wrote:
I do think bush is the worst in my lifetime. But he didn't do everything wrong. To say he did actually weakens one's argument.



Look, I know you broke "ranks" and called him "Cornwallace" and all kinds of names...we both ridiculed the spending his administration was doing at the time, but to call him the worst after what we have in there now? That's just laughable. For every gaffe they pointed at GW this jackwagon got a pass. Now the lovefest is over and the tab is coming due. He's not gonna put gas in Peggy Joseph's car or pay her rent. She did right by him, he hasn't done right by America.

If you're going to maintain any kind of credibility that Bush was the worst...this guy has done the very same he railed against. Just on that merit alone he should rate lower. The fact that he still is doing the same thing as the last guy, but can maintain the high ground is crazy talk.

Where's your change?

Hell even the poopie poster lambasted the stooge for what he's pulled on America.

teedubbya Offline
#106 Posted:
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My take is Obama is well on his way to catching up. He may get there. They both stink. At this point even if all else is equal Iraq tips the scale. Obama still has time to catch him. I did not start from a negative position with bush. He earned it with me. Obama started from a much more negative position with me and most in here. He has not caught bush yet but may.
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#107 Posted:
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But what is worse? Failure by ignorance or failure by false pretenses. Hope and change and transparancy.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#108 Posted:
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gringococolo wrote:
But what is worse? Failure by ignorance or failure by false pretenses. Hope and change and transparancy.



You mean as transparent as releasing the photos of Bin Laden?Frying pan Frying pan Frying pan

That's the same point I was attempting to make.

Meh.
cbc812 Offline
#109 Posted:
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I mean, maybe the Seals shot one or both arms off, but it sounds like it was a head shot.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#110 Posted:
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cbc812 wrote:
I mean, maybe the Seals shot one or both arms off, but it sounds like it was a head shot.



What are Navy SEALS with security clearances doing in front of cameras for the world to see?

MAJOR SECURITY BREECH!!!
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#111 Posted:
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teedubbya wrote:
You really beleive that? So bush is either wrong about everything or right about everything? That is just silly.


I never said anything even close to that, nor do I believe that so I'm not sure where you're coming from. MY point is that I find it sort of laughable your predeliction for pretending to be above all the partisan back and forth while I find you actually quite partisan in reality. Maybe not in political party terms but holding very strong opinions in this case on Bush.
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I heard two war dogs each took pulled his arms off..... then bit off his face.... Mellow
teedubbya Offline
#113 Posted:
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robertknyc wrote:
I never said anything even close to that, nor do I believe that so I'm not sure where you're coming from. MY point is that I find it sort of laughable your predeliction for pretending to be above all the partisan back and forth while I find you actually quite partisan in reality. Maybe not in political party terms but holding very strong opinions in this case on Bush.



I hold very strong opinions about a lot of things. Never said I didn't. I get called a lefty or fencepost in here and go along with it because I think its funny. I have been a very partisan republican for a long time. Bush struck a particularly opinionated bone in me because I voted for him and he was horrible. In here the easier path was to remain quiet or defend bush. I didn't. But then I get called fence post. I love the irony.


I'm not above the partisan back and forth. I can freely admit I get caught up in it and don't like it when I do. I make mistakes, I am at times inconsistent, have lost many arguments (and sometimes admitted so, other times did not). What amazes me is the people that will not admit it. If I call someone on it it does not mean I don't do it. Two different things. And if you call me on it I will admit it. Unless you are wrong LOL.

But none of that really has anything to do with anything. You just didn't like that I disagreed with your assessment on this particular fuzz instance and your reaction is amusing. You seem to have difficulty with how things coorelate (or don't).

If it makes you feel better, I am sorry I defended Fuzz and will now agree with you. Since he was inconsistent there really is no reason to ever put any merit or thought into anything he ever says. Sarcasm
teedubbya Offline
#114 Posted:
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robertknyc wrote:
The context is that you'll defend Bush while 10 minutes later you'll call him the worst president ever or in our lifetime. THAT is someone trying to appear neutral or whatever while actually residing on the left.


By the way this is what I was commenting in previously. There is nothing inconsistent about thinking Bush was terrible yet defending him on any specific subject. Nor is disagreeing or disliking a President of any party an automatic indicator that you support the other party. I must have misunderstood what you were trying to say since you are saying nothing of the sort. LOL
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teedubbya wrote:
You just didn't like that I disagreed with your assessment on this particular fuzz instance and your reaction is amusing. You seem to have difficulty with how things coorelate (or don't).
Sarcasm



I don't really know what you are referring to. I wasn't particularly upset about anything you said, just think it wasn't accurate.
teedubbya Offline
#116 Posted:
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robertknyc wrote:
I don't really know what you are referring to. I wasn't particularly upset about anything you said, just think it wasn't accurate.


I didn't assume you were upset and neither am I. For a neutral grey colored person I actually like the discussion and banter. That is probably why I come accross as in the middle. Not much upsets me except when someone leaves a plunger in the toilet at night and I have a diarrea attack.

And I understand you are not following my logic. Its cool. I think its pretty clear. You may not. *shrug*
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teedubbya wrote:
There is nothing inconsistent about thinking Bush was terrible yet defending him on any specific subject.



I'm just noticing the pattern of pretending to be above it all by supposedly being this "fair arbiter" who can see good and bad in a particular individual, as if that by itself is virtuous. Just my perception, I'm sure yours is different.
teedubbya Offline
#118 Posted:
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robertknyc wrote:
I'm just noticing the pattern of pretending to be above it all by supposedly being this "fair arbiter" who can see good and bad in a particular individual, as if that by itself is virtuous. Just my perception, I'm sure yours is different.



I just say what I think. I have no real MO. you may.

as for pretending *shrug* I guess you are better than I at knowing what people really think as opposed to what they say. that says more about you than me.

I do try to look at what is being said rather than who is saying it, but I'd guess only Spock or a robot could do that 100% of the time and if you screw up once you know nothing else you do is ever worthy.
teedubbya Offline
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And let me just stipulate this right now ... I am not above it all. I am not above anything in here. And I am in no way an arbiter. I like the fights and will stir the pot whenever I see fit.

I'm also a hypocrit (I said that before), an arse hole, and no brighter than the average IQ in here. And sometimes the inside of my bunghole itches and I just scratch it. I do not use a tissue.

But all of that has nothing to do with anything I said in this post to get your dander up LOL



Edited to say dander rather than wood because it gave me an unpleasant visual.
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#120 Posted:
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teedubbya wrote:
I hold very strong opinions about a lot of things. Never said I didn't. I get called a lefty or fencepost in here and go along with it because I think its funny. I have been a very partisan republican for a long time. Bush struck a particularly opinionated bone in me because I voted for him and he was horrible. In here the easier path was to remain quiet or defend bush. I didn't. But then I get called fence post. I love the irony.


I'm not above the partisan back and forth. I can freely admit I get caught up in it and don't like it when I do. I make mistakes, I am at times inconsistent, have lost many arguments (and sometimes admitted so, other times did not). What amazes me is the people that will not admit it. If I call someone on it it does not mean I don't do it. Two different things. And if you call me on it I will admit it. Unless you are wrong LOL.

But none of that really has anything to do with anything. You just didn't like that I disagreed with your assessment on this particular fuzz instance and your reaction is amusing. You seem to have difficulty with how things coorelate (or don't).

If it makes you feel better, I am sorry I defended Fuzz and will now agree with you. Since he was inconsistent there really is no reason to ever put any merit or thought into anything he ever says. Sarcasm



Bro...your reasons were there and are here for ALL to find. So are mine.

I understood why the dislike.

What got me was what you were railing against was FAR worse than GW.

Now, the hopey changey stuff hasn't shot out of the unicorn's ass. It left a lot of people that voted for him holding the bag. Good luck. I was very vocal about this guy. Still am. He hasn't done much good for me to even think about voting for him...and the polarization her really wants is something I can't hitch my wagon to. Even tonight with the Common visit to the WH...that's utter wipe your ass on the curtains of the WH and it's legacy. Whatever. If the POTUS wants to glorify a racebaiting cop killing singer/sctor with a dinner...go for it...good luck defending him and his ideology.

You know I'm a fan of anything "quirky" and funny. You fit the bill, but on this guy we disagree. I'd still have a smoke wif ya though!
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#121 Posted:
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
Bro...your reasons were there and are here for ALL to find. So are mine.

I understood why the dislike.

What got me was what you were railing against was FAR worse than GW.

Now, the hopey changey stuff hasn't shot out of the unicorn's ass. It left a lot of people that voted for him holding the bag. Good luck. I was very vocal about this guy. Still am. He hasn't done much good for me to even think about voting for him...and the polarization her really wants is something I can't hitch my wagon to. Even tonight with the Common visit to the WH...that's utter wipe your ass on the curtains of the WH and it's legacy. Whatever. If the POTUS wants to glorify a racebaiting cop killing singer/sctor with a dinner...go for it...good luck defending him and his ideology.

You know I'm a fan of anything "quirky" and funny. You fit the bill, but on this guy we disagree. I'd still have a smoke wif ya though!



Potts used to taunt me when I said this but even if its emotional rather than logical its part of me. I am probably harder on Bush because I did vote for him and he did represent my party. Maybe I'm a pretty little woman scorned. As for Obama.... he sucks. You will not see me "defending him and his ideology". I will defend any individual of either party's actions or ideas when I agree with them. I will say when I don't. I never had much faith or value in him anyway. Just like Kerry and Gore I beleive McCain would have been no better and maybe worse. He is acting a bit fruity lately.

So maybe my view is skewed. I can admit that. There is no fact when proclaiming someone the worst. It is all opinion. Proclaiming O the worst is every bit as much of an opinion. Truth is they are very similar.

I do have to admit one thing though. I have gone from a staunch right wing partisan republican who supported Newt through Nussle to someone who is very disallusioned with the republican party. I could never and can never relate to the Dem party and its lunacy. But the Republican party has deteriorated exponentially. The only thing the Republican party has going for it right now is the Dems.

And that is where the groupthink comes in. If you are not with me you are against me. You are either a 100% R or you are a D. I am no longer 100% R so in many eyes in here I guess I have to be a D. It is just that simple.
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#122 Posted:
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teedubbya wrote:
Potts used to taunt me when I said this but even if its emotional rather than logical its part of me. I am probably harder on Bush because I did vote for him and he did represent my party. Maybe I'm a pretty little woman scorned. As for Obama.... he sucks. You will not see me "defending him and his ideology". I will defend any individual of either party's actions or ideas when I agree with them. I will say when I don't. I never had much faith or value in him anyway. Just like Kerry and Gore I beleive McCain would have been no better and maybe worse. He is acting a bit fruity lately.

So maybe my view is skewed. I can admit that. There is no fact when proclaiming someone the worst. It is all opinion. Proclaiming O the worst is every bit as much of an opinion. Truth is they are very similar.


To this day I'll go down that McCain wouldn't have had the incompetent boobs around him that the Big O does.

A Treasury Secretary that can't use Turbo Tax???? In THIS day and age?

Sebelius? A sheer and utter disgrace!

Holder? I'd personally shoot him on the Capitol steps if I was the President!

I can go on and on, but you KNOW that.

There's just nothing to say "Good Job" for this guy that wipes away all the damage.

Bin Laden vs the GM/Chrysler debacle? Not even a contest.

Obamacare vs whatever good you want to put up?

See?

The continuing endless wars and tax dollars given to nations that out and out HATE the USA...sorry..he went overseas as a candidate and rubbed the World stage with his Hope and Change mantra and they ate it up. ZERO delivery.

You can hate on GW, but I'm over it and the manner in which he's handled himself after leaving office is nothing short of graceful in poetic fashion. He had his day. He did what he thought was best for the nation. This jackwagon isn't doing any of that.

I have a life to live...I'm out for the day!
teedubbya Offline
#123 Posted:
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I'll give you this. McCain did show that he could surround himself with competent boobs.
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robertnyc always thinks he's operating out of logic and reason, but has also talked about how he believes in prayer and creationism and recognizes that it isn't science so it must be based on his 'feelings'.

He allows himself to be swayed by his feelings so much so that he believes creationism should be taught in science class, not because it's a logical thing that can be studied, but because people believe it to be true because they think there is a god and that god makes them feel good, etc etc.

So the poor guy is confused himself. I guess it would be easy to say all things he says can be automatically dismissed from this point forward, but what's the fun in that?!?!
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#125 Posted:
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
Even tonight with the Common visit to the WH...that's utter wipe your ass on the curtains of the WH and it's legacy. Whatever. If the POTUS wants to glorify a racebaiting cop killing singer/sctor with a dinner...go for it...good luck defending him and his ideology.


lmfao, this from someone who doesn't have a tv, doesn't listen to the radio and says he doesn't know what a right wing website is this is freakin' rich. The latest scary black guy controversy manufactured by the right, Hannity, Rove, Drudge, et al.

The thing they (and I watched Hannity last night and he devoted two entire segments at the front of his show to it) are so upset about is how in one of his poems he talked about having a weapon to fight back against the government when they come after him. So scary the tea party should be taken away! Wait no. They are white.

You are a fool and falling for the race baiting.
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#126 Posted:
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FuzzNJ wrote:
robertnyc always thinks he's operating out of logic and reason, but has also talked about how he believes in prayer and creationism and recognizes that it isn't science so it must be based on his 'feelings'.

He allows himself to be swayed by his feelings so much so that he believes creationism should be taught in science class, not because it's a logical thing that can be studied, but because people believe it to be true because they think there is a god and that god makes them feel good, etc etc.

So the poor guy is confused himself. I guess it would be easy to say all things he says can be automatically dismissed from this point forward, but what's the fun in that?!?!


Dude, among the many reasons you're not held in high regard by a lot of us here is that you continually get things wrong and misrepresent what people have said. Show me where I said creationism should be taught in science class. I haven't, so that pretty much shows you to be a fraud and willing to say anything to make a point.
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robertknyc wrote:
Dude, among the many reasons you're not held in high regard by a lot of us here is that you continually get things wrong and misrepresent what people have said. Show me where I said creationism should be taught in science class. I haven't, so that pretty much shows you to be a fraud and willing to say anything to make a point.



Ah, the truth comes out, you're just a religious bigot who is angry at God, if he in fact exists in your mind. I think you have me confused with someone else. Apparently my quiet belief that God made us irks you even though I have never lobbied a school board or preached in the subway as you put it. So, we see you for what you are. To say that some entity created us is FAR, FAR, from injecting personal religious beliefs into the educational system.

Yes, creation theory is not science in the normal sense of the word, and I for one never said it was (you seem too dense to realize that).

Your logic is so flawed that it's laughable and hardly worth my time. Saying that God is out there getting kicks by giving people cancer is about as logical as the proposition that the designers at Boeing enjoy seeing there planes crash when it's a result of a mechanical flaw (since THEY created the plane right?).

I don't know what school district you live in, but I'm not aware of the idea that creation is taught, when it is, as science, just as another explanation for how the world and us came about. Apparently you're too closed-minded and angry at God to want children exposed to this perfectly viable and widely accepted "theory" along with your THEORY of evolution.

Whatever, I don't care what you think either. I just wanted to point out for all to see how the creation deniers CANNOT explain, by their theory of evolution, how everything got here in the first place. That in and of itself for must of us leads us to conclude that there MUST be more to the story. I've demonstrated this quite well, with no refutation or explanation by you. Your only comeback to that question is, my beliefs shouln't be taught in school, a real logical and scientific argument. NOT! Checkmate

http://www.cigarbid.com/...Creationism#post2085319

Hey Robert, you are the fraud.
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Fraud, show me where I said creation should be taught in SCIENCE class. I didn't. Nice try but you lose again.
FuzzNJ Offline
#129 Posted:
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robertknyc wrote:
Fraud, show me where I said creation should be taught in SCIENCE class. I didn't. Nice try but you lose again.


ahahahahahahahahah. show me where you said it should be taught in oh, I don't know, gym class?

When you said:

"Apparently you're too closed-minded and angry at God to want children exposed to this perfectly viable and widely accepted "theory" along with your THEORY of evolution."

WTF did you mean? Since evolution is taught in SCIENCE class and you want it taught ALONG with it, what else could you mean?

You fraud and liar!!!!

Don't F with me and logic here. You f'in fraud. You think everyone is an idiot?
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Look jackass, I never said it should be taught side by side. It could easily be taught in a religion class or the like. You think you know what I think and then type it up here and try to accuse me of things. THAT is why you are a fraud, a liar and highly unpopular here.
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robertknyc wrote:
Look jackass, I never said it should be taught side by side. It could easily be taught in a religion class or the like. You think you know what I think and then type it up here and try to accuse me of things. THAT is why you are a fraud, a liar and highly unpopular here.


Yeah, you keep saying that. You accuse me of sh*t like abandoning my principles because I'm happy OBL is dead, but your own words are clear as day and you want to parse and spin and deny, funny as hell dude, funny as hell.

You are pure as the driven snow, no one can touch you. I bow to you oh great one.

I just wonder what it's like to have other people tell me what it is I think. That would really, really suck.

Oh, and f you, you hypocrite. You have shown everyone what you are now and everything you say from now on shall and will be dismissed as being wrong and generally stupid. I fart in your general direction.

lmao
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#132 Posted:
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FuzzNJ wrote:
lmfao, this from someone who doesn't have a tv, doesn't listen to the radio and says he doesn't know what a right wing website is this is freakin' rich. The latest scary black guy controversy manufactured by the right, Hannity, Rove, Drudge, et al.

The thing they (and I watched Hannity last night and he devoted two entire segments at the front of his show to it) are so upset about is how in one of his poems he talked about having a weapon to fight back against the government when they come after him. So scary the tea party should be taken away! Wait no. They are white.

You are a fool and falling for the race baiting.



Liberals support, conservatives slam rapper’s White House invite
7:53 PM 05/10/2011

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Poetry criticism is front-page news today, following The Daily Caller’s transcription of a rap-poem authored by the Chicago rapper Common, who has been invited by first lady Michelle Obama to help present poetry at a Wednesday event for students at the White House

The rapper’s 2007 rap, “A Letter to the Law,” talks of Uzi submachine guns, “the black strap to make the cops run,” and includes a call to “burn a Bush.”

The language and themes are very different from the lyrical poetry promoted in 2003 by then-first lady Laura Bush. Her planned White House reading of 19th century poets was derailed by protests from left-wing poets angered by President George W. Bush’s forced removal of Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein.

The White House’s selection of Common spurred criticism and derision from numerous conservatives, including former Alaska Governor Sarah Palin. In a Tuesday morning tweet, she cited the TheDC’s transcript and commented “Oh lovely, White House.” The Powerlineblog site, for example, said TheDC’s transcription of the lyric was “an act of cruelty” towards Common. Those criticisms were echoed through the Chicago Tribune, the L.A. Times, Fox News and in numerous blogs, where conservatives have long complained that liberals eagerly use charges of “hate speech” and “bigotry” to sideline conservatives in Hollywood, smear traditional culture, tarnish free-market ideas in academia, and sneer at one of the nation’s most popular and evolved music-genres, country music.

As the controversy flared online, conservative outlets reported that Common has voiced support for cop-killer Mumia Abu-Jamal. In his rap, “God Is Freedom,” he declared that “flyers say ‘free Mumia’ on my freezer.” Mumia Abu-Jamal was sentenced to death for the 1981 murder of police officer Daniel Faulkner. In an unfortunate coincidence, Common’s appearance at the White House event coincides with National Police Week.

In another rap, Common said “when I go/ I want to be known like El-Hajj Malik El-Shabazz,” or Malcolm-X, a black-supremacist. The second rap, reported the New Hampshire Journal, also included a passage criticizing white women who date black men: “I don’t know what it is/ but white girls gettin’ ass/ I know what it is/ It’s cash.”

In 2005, Common told an interviewer on the futureproducers.com site that he opposed mixed-race relationships. “I disagree with them… It’s a problem,” he said.

In turn, left-of-center activists rallied in support of Common’s White House invite. The Atlantic, Media Matters, and numerous bloggers and tweeters scorned Common’s critics, often without addressing Common’s words. Sam Stein, a writer at the Huffington Post, for example, tweeted to fellow progressives that “yeah, Obama is making a comprehensive case for immigration reform. but Common is gonna read poetry at the White House! Eye on prize, people.”

White House officials haven’t backed down, even though the president is scheduled to make opening remarks at the event. White House officials may have a political incentive to stand by its invite.

In 1992, presidential candidate Bill Clinton won support from swing-voters by denouncing anti-white rapper Sister Souljah. But these days, the nation’s voters are increasingly polarized and the pool of swing-voters is shrinking. Victory in the 2012 election may be decided by the candidate that motivates his base voters to turn out.

If Obama’s campaign officials see 2012 as a base election, they may welcome the criticism of Common because it can bolster his declining support among African-Americans. Their declining support for Obama may slip further, partly because they’re watching Obama woo Hispanic voters with promises of more low-skill immigration into an economy where at least one-in-six Africans-Americans are unemployed.

The event will also massage Obama’s ties to the influential arts-industry, which relies heavily on government funding. “First Lady Michelle Obama and administration officials will deliver brief remarks to highlight a new study detailing the importance of arts education,” said the statement.

Common’s supporters say he is not responsible for the failure of people unfamiliar with African-American, or “urban,” cultural themes, to understand his rap lyrics. “It shouldn’t take a genius to explain what’s going on in this poem: It is what the title suggests, a ‘letter’ to the source of moral authority written from the perspective of inner city black youths who feel that the police don’t protect them, that the media loves to blow up and then tear down their community’s celebrities and that the government has been acting more gangsta — in terms of their invasion/occupation of Iraq — than they could ever hope,” said Jason Linkins, a writer for the Huffington Post.

The most coherent support for Common’s work came from Bradley Markham, who grew up in an African-American neighborhood in Texas, and then studied science and poetry at Stanford University before working for Google. Common is “not my favorite poet, not my favorite actor, but not a cop killer, inciter of violence, or racist,” he said. Rather, he is “often mocked as a softy in the rap circles, an intellectual who thinks too much,” Markham said.

Common’s “Burn a Bush” statement, he said, “is basically another way to say ‘F… President Bush’, without using the curse word…but nobody in the intended audience thought he was saying anything else,” such as a murder attempt.

Common’s rap, Markham said, “goes on to list some grievances that the black community may have, and that’s where he says ‘don’t retaliate with guns, use your mind instead’… he’s saying he has one weapon, his mind, and its bigger and badder and better than what any police have,” he said.

“Hopefully when you look at it through the eyes and hear it through the ears of its intended audience, you’ll have a better appreciation for what he was saying,” Markham said.

But Common’s rap is entangled in Washington politics, where partisan tribalism usually trumps poetic virtues. For example, a conservative blog, Left Coast Rebel, caught Eric Boehlert, a senior advocate at the Democratic-affiliated advocacy group, Media Matters, shifting his analysis to match the Democrats’ needs.

In 2000, Boehlert eagerly cited words by rapper Eminem — “Bitch I’ma kill you!/ You don’t wanna f… with me/ Girls leave — you ain’t nuttin’ but a slut to me” — as deserving of criticism. “Should the nation’s tastemakers, the ones supposedly pondering the connection between art and society, align themselves with an artist as blatantly hateful, vengeful and violent as Eminem?… By defending and celebrating the likes of Eminem while willingly turning a blind eye to his catchy message of hate, music critics continue to cheapen their profession,” he wrote then.

But on Tuesday, Boehlert tweeted his derision of conservatives’ criticism as merely “RW freakout today over a rapper (!!) being invited to WH poetry event.”



Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2011/05/10/liberals-support-conservatives-attack-rappers-white-house-invite/#ixzz1M8XfWlXs



Yeah, I really don't have cable or OTA tv. I'll admit to listening to radio on my way to and from work...AM970 here in the Tampa Bay...Jack & Ted are awesome radio personalities. Now aside from that how is someone that sings all about cop killing great? Please elaborate jackass!

DrMaddVibe Offline
#133 Posted:
Joined: 10-21-2000
Posts: 55,550
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LssFolrpiD4&feature=youtu.be

He's got MAD SKILLZ!!!

Really someone you want to visit the White House?

Gimmie a break!

Common's "idol"? Mumia Abu-Jamal...a Black Panther hack dj cop killer.

The prosecution also presented two witnesses who were present at the hospital after the altercation. Hospital security guard Priscilla Durham and Police Officer Garry Bell testified that Abu-Jamal confessed in the hospital by saying, "I shot the ****, and I hope the **** dies."

ABC is now a Right Wing Website???

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2011/05/common-controversy-comes-to-white-house-poetry-night-cops-conservatives-cry-foul-at-some-of-his-past-work.html

"“She’s a domestic terrorist who wrapped her criminality and her abhorrent anti social behavior in a cause to try to disguise her disgust for America in this make believe 1960s radicalism,” Jones told ABC News Wednesday morning. “In 1973 she executed Trooper Werner Foerster with his own gun after he was already shot and didn’t represent a threat to anyone. And after she shot him she kicked him in the head to the point that hours later after he was picked up his brain was still part of the remnants on her shoe.”

Common has a different take: “Assata had been convicted of a murder she couldna done,” Common rapped. “Medical evidence shown she couldna shot the gun….I wonder what would happen if that woulda been me/All of this sh*t so we could be free./Yeah, I often wonder what would happen if that woulda been me? /All of this sh*t so we could be free, so dig it, people.”

The song also features Cee-Lo singing “I'm thinkin' of Assata, yeah./Listen to my love, Assata, yeah./Your power and pride, so beautiful... /May God bless your soul.”

Chesimard was a member of the Black Liberation Army who was wanted for her involvement in felonies including bank robbery. On May 2, 1973, Chesimard was stopped for a motor vehicle violation on the New Jersey Turnpike by two State Troopers; according to the FBI, she and her two accomplices opened fire on the State Troopers, wounding one and killing the other."


Then again it was this very same man that sat for almost 15 years in the pews and NEVER heard Rev. Wright bash the US...the government...and racebait from the pulpit.

The President is a hypocrite and a liar if he thinks people aren't paying attention to who and what he is. Look who he surrounds himself with? How'd you like it when he kicks the Dali Lama out the back door past some garbage to make room for Most Favored Guest? Google that picture...it's out there.

Yet, I'M the one racebaiting?

Sorry you don't like facts. Sorry you don't like the flavor of Truth. You're just a sorry ass whiner with a vacuum. Get busy in the kitchen...Boss is gonna be home and she might not like that grilled cheese sandwich you're bringing to the table. She works hard for the money. So hard for it honey!
DrMaddVibe Offline
#134 Posted:
Joined: 10-21-2000
Posts: 55,550
Even after admitting that waterboarding was effective in gleaming information that put Bin Laden in the crosshairs...they're still going after CIA agents.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eqlUVMVO7_M&feature=player_embedded

Why?

Once again Holder, the buffoon of a lawyer...the idiot that wanted to try terrorists yards away from Ground Zero...still is moving forward.

The Kenyan King won't even give the AG's office his opinion?

Holder needs to be FIRED!
robertknyc Offline
#135 Posted:
Joined: 07-24-2003
Posts: 5,475
FuzzNJ wrote:
Yeah, you keep saying that. You accuse me of sh*t like abandoning my principles because I'm happy OBL is dead, but your own words are clear as day and you want to parse and spin and deny, funny as hell dude, funny as hell.

You are pure as the driven snow, no one can touch you. I bow to you oh great one.

I just wonder what it's like to have other people tell me what it is I think. That would really, really suck.

Oh, and f you, you hypocrite. You have shown everyone what you are now and everything you say from now on shall and will be dismissed as being wrong and generally stupid. I fart in your general direction.

lmao



Spin? Bottom line is your claim that I said creationism should be taught IN SCIENCE CLASS was not true. Give up, you lose.
Papachristou Offline
#136 Posted:
Joined: 10-20-2010
Posts: 845
holder is a sissy as is most of the US now. i saw obama is going on a tour to apologize to muslims for osamas death/his improper burial. give me a break. the 3000 people he killed on 9/11 didnt get a proper burial
FuzzNJ Offline
#137 Posted:
Joined: 06-28-2006
Posts: 13,000
DrMaddVibe wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LssFolrpiD4&feature=youtu.be

He's got MAD SKILLZ!!!

Really someone you want to visit the White House?

Gimmie a break!

Common's "idol"? Mumia Abu-Jamal...a Black Panther hack dj cop killer.

The prosecution also presented two witnesses who were present at the hospital after the altercation. Hospital security guard Priscilla Durham and Police Officer Garry Bell testified that Abu-Jamal confessed in the hospital by saying, "I shot the ****, and I hope the **** dies."

ABC is now a Right Wing Website???

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2011/05/common-controversy-comes-to-white-house-poetry-night-cops-conservatives-cry-foul-at-some-of-his-past-work.html

"“She’s a domestic terrorist who wrapped her criminality and her abhorrent anti social behavior in a cause to try to disguise her disgust for America in this make believe 1960s radicalism,” Jones told ABC News Wednesday morning. “In 1973 she executed Trooper Werner Foerster with his own gun after he was already shot and didn’t represent a threat to anyone. And after she shot him she kicked him in the head to the point that hours later after he was picked up his brain was still part of the remnants on her shoe.”

Common has a different take: “Assata had been convicted of a murder she couldna done,” Common rapped. “Medical evidence shown she couldna shot the gun….I wonder what would happen if that woulda been me/All of this sh*t so we could be free./Yeah, I often wonder what would happen if that woulda been me? /All of this sh*t so we could be free, so dig it, people.”

The song also features Cee-Lo singing “I'm thinkin' of Assata, yeah./Listen to my love, Assata, yeah./Your power and pride, so beautiful... /May God bless your soul.”

Chesimard was a member of the Black Liberation Army who was wanted for her involvement in felonies including bank robbery. On May 2, 1973, Chesimard was stopped for a motor vehicle violation on the New Jersey Turnpike by two State Troopers; according to the FBI, she and her two accomplices opened fire on the State Troopers, wounding one and killing the other."


Then again it was this very same man that sat for almost 15 years in the pews and NEVER heard Rev. Wright bash the US...the government...and racebait from the pulpit.

The President is a hypocrite and a liar if he thinks people aren't paying attention to who and what he is. Look who he surrounds himself with? How'd you like it when he kicks the Dali Lama out the back door past some garbage to make room for Most Favored Guest? Google that picture...it's out there.

Yet, I'M the one racebaiting?

Sorry you don't like facts. Sorry you don't like the flavor of Truth. You're just a sorry ass whiner with a vacuum. Get busy in the kitchen...Boss is gonna be home and she might not like that grilled cheese sandwich you're bringing to the table. She works hard for the money. So hard for it honey!



The entire bs made up controversy torn apart by the daily show last night:

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-may-11-2011/tone-def-poetry-jam
http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-may-11-2011/tone-def-poetry-jam---lyrics-controversy
DrMaddVibe Offline
#138 Posted:
Joined: 10-21-2000
Posts: 55,550
Yeah, having this upstanding American being recognized by the White House is cool wif you!

Yeah boyzzz!




Artist: Common Sense
Album: Can I Borrow a Dollar?
Song: A Penny For My Thoughts
Typed by: OHHLA Webmaster DJ Flash

"Friends.. Romans countrymen.. lend me a dollar! Ahh-ha!" -> Damon Wayans
"How much? -- A dollar."
"One dollar.." -> Dan Akroyd
"I got your money.. I got your poor, measly.." -> Eddie Murphy
"One dollar.." -> Dan Akroyd
"Can I borrow a dollar?" -> BizMarkie
"**** you ain't ****.. you wasn't **** when you was here!
I seen you do that **** all that's the same ****
you was doin round the poolroom ****
It ain't nuthin -- let me have a dollar"
"Can I have a dolla? One dolla"
"One dollar.." -> Dan Akroyd
"How much? -- A dollar."
"One dollar.." -> Dan Akroyd
"One beer? Man you gotta give me a dollar for a beer"

[Twilite Tone]
Check this out
One time, steps a man
Common Sense and the Unamerican Caravan
The true b-boys, dem dere and we in here
Yeah, ya know, from the Southside of Chicago
and we don't front
Who me? I am Twilite Tone
Babylon dread, Bumstead, and we come like DIS

[Common]
This the start of somethin big
Methink I knows ya gonna dig it
It's time to plant the seed
Hip-Hop's the tree and I'ma fig it
Figure it out, the mic, I'm rippin it like a ligament
Gimme a light a Bud Light, and ****'ll get lit just like a cigarette
I'm a b-boy so don't test me, many rappers don't impress me
You try steppin into my city I'll, Snipe em like Wesley
So you best be on your way, I'm doper than Marion Berry, hey
Wake up everyday and make-up rhymes but I'm not Mary Kay
Some say I'm dope as ****, some label my rhymes incest
My flex is kinda mean yo, so hey kid, CATCH
These nuggets, these nuggets, these nugget ugget uggets
with some peas and a hole in the bucket (cool, cool)
Dear Liza, Minelli, I jam like jelly and I got
helly what, helly what, HELLY RHYMES
I can remember times when for a 40 I had to beg for bucks
Nobody really gave a, so I had to beg for ****
Now what do niggaz do when they got not food
Skibbidy skap and busta bust a rap
So I pick up the pen and then begin the thoughts to get to pumpin
Hopin like all the people let me talk, let me say somethin
Cause nothin for nothin leaves nothin, I got nuthin to lose
I put, nuttin in my notes, I'm not your host when I got nuttin to use
Dues gettin credited, now I debit my bank account
Not on a blind date, could I see me taken out
by some glutteus, glutteus, maximus, maximus
I'm spas-ta-gis-a-mister-gis a mister-gis-ta-spas-ta-gis
Spectacular, the papes I Count like Dracula
You can't cut the rug, because you suck, MC Vacumn Up
Rappers I skip on like Walter Payton
Their ain't no way or half-step, and flex a rhyme like a bicep
Some steps with concepts, but umm, WHO cares
Not even the damn People Under the Stairs

[Twilite Tone]
Interruption, interruption
True b-boys runnin ****
Unamerican Caravan, beatin you down
Den dere's de man who don't stop
Yo Com, come back with some Sense, UHH

[Common]
Doo-doo-doo-doo-doo-doo, here I come, here I come (what?)
A-doo-doo-doo-doo-doo-doo, here I come, here I come (yeah!)
I'm comin around the mountain high as lower than a valley
I'm the cat, from the alley, from the back, I'ma rally
and tally up points, rollin joints, risin to the tops
Somewhat of a playwright, cause like a stage I got props
My crew's a strange brew, a drink a day'll keep the stink away
We been through AA, but hey, what can I say?
Say say say, what you want, but you'll pay the con-se-quences
Cause Mister Common Sense is (yeah)
not gonna take it, so leave you better believe it
Even if your name ain't Ripley, cause Ripley don't know diddley
Hit me one time, two times, for the U-AYYY-C
Heyyyyyy, but anyway
I hit a skid, and I peel out like MC Eiht, damn I kill it
Earn my money the old fashioned way - I steal it
Stop thief in the temple, I hit em with a blow
Somebody done stole my beeper but I'ma steal the show
I'm throwin a Heidi Hoe into a bro and tellin her
go for what you know bruh, the people before me go under
Yo we gotta gotta get we gotta get we gotta get
Gotta get, gotta gotta gotta get get over
Somewhere over the rainbow, I'm still the same old same old
Ringin around the collar, borrowin a dollar, check my balls
Dirty drawers, see the kitty suckin titties
Video watchin lush from the city
I'm the extra-terrestrial rappers go home cause they have to
Them marks be callin Ork, come in Ork, Nanu Nanu
The perfect stranger, comin in to a, **** a new land
Cause Jeffrey where Osborne, and see I'm only human
Doin anything to make a buck, what the **** I gotta
do what I gotta go (*echoes*)
FuzzNJ Offline
#139 Posted:
Joined: 06-28-2006
Posts: 13,000
Early one mornin' while makin' the rounds
I took a shot of cocaine and I shot my woman down
I went right home and I went to bed I stuck that lovin' 44 beneath my head

Got up next mornin' and I grabbed that gun took a shot of cocaine and away I run
Made a good run but I run too slow they overtook me down in Juarez Mexico

Late in the hot joints takin' the pills in walked the sheriff from Jericho Hill
He said Willy Lee your name is not Jack Brown
You're the dirty hack that shot your woman down
Said yes oh yes my name is Willy Lee if you've got the warrant just aread it to me
Shot her down because she made me slow
I thought I was her daddy but she had five more

When I was arrested I was dressed in black
They put me on a train and they took me back
Had no friend for to go my bail they slapped my dried up carcass in that country jail

Early next mornin' bout a half past nine I spied the sheriff coming down the line
Talked and he coughed as he cleared his throat
He said come on you dirty heck into that district court
Into the courtroom my trial began where I was handled by twelve honest men
Just before the jury started out I saw the little judge commence to look about

In about five minutes in walked the man holding the verdict in his right hand
The verdict read in the first degree I hollered Lordy Lordy have a mercy on me

The judge he smiled as he picked up his pin 99 years in the Folsom pen
99 years underneath that ground I can't forget the day I shot that bad bitch down
Come on you've gotta listen unto me lay off that whiskey and let that cocaine be

Johnny Cash
Honored by Bush at the White House

The difference is?
DrMaddVibe Offline
#140 Posted:
Joined: 10-21-2000
Posts: 55,550
Don't remember Cash ever droppin the N word in ever verse of almost every song.

I digress.

The mere fact that you're trying to wash yet another unsavory character flaw under the table is really telling.

Bill Ayers

Van Jones

Rev. Wright

The list goes on and on and on, but you'll find a way to excuse the Kenyan King.
Papachristou Offline
#141 Posted:
Joined: 10-20-2010
Posts: 845
looks like in cash's song, he realized the wrong and was promoting leaving the whiskey and coke alone.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#142 Posted:
Joined: 10-21-2000
Posts: 55,550

Now I realize the article is from a Right Wing Website...

The more that comes out the more it just sounds all wrong.


The first member of Congress to view them according to “Fox Report” anchor Shepard Smith was Oklahoma Republican Sen. James Inhofe. Inhofe appeared on Smith’s show and told him that the photos are “gruesome.”

“They are gruesome, of course, because it was taken right after the incident,” he said. “And so, of the 12, three of them were older pictures so that we could actually compare what he looked like when he had the black beard and what he looked like after he was killed. And that was part — the good way of making that presentation. Then they had some of his ear. Now, what had happened in those, I couldn’t tell whether the bullet went through the ear and out the eye cavity or through the eye and out the ear because a lot of brains were draped out from the socket. But it clearly — what we saw there was it was him. There is no question he was dead. But, the more revealing pictures really were the ones on the USS Vinson and the North Arabian Sea.”

Inhofe then revealed details about the photos that have not been made public yet — that bin Laden was in his underwear at the time of his death.

“See, the beard is a moving target because he dyes it all the time,” Inhofe said. “And the pictures we had older pictures had a black beard. His beard this time was a little bit shorter and it was more salt-and-pepper. You could tell it’s probably the actual color of the beard. Now, what he was dressed in, some of these were just headshots so you only had the head shot. Only two of them showed that he was partially, I would say you would call underwear on, that was about it.”

Inhofe explained that despite some of the reports that his skull was partially gone, that was not the case based on his viewing of the photos.

“It appeared that way at first,” Inhofe said “Then when you saw the other pictures later, you could tell it wasn’t that way. Now, what happened was if the bullet went into the eye socket, then it was an explosive, it detonated once it was in so that caused the brain to come back out of the eye socket. That’s what made it look so gruesome.”



Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2011/05/11/inhofe-gruesome-photos-reveal-bin-laden-in-nothing-but-his-underwear-when-shot/#ixzz1MAYImvN5


Okay...from the description he gives it almost makes it sound like he was shot in the back of the head!Think

Armed...not armed.

Used a woman as a shield...didn't

Million dollar mansion...craphole with a high wall

Treasure trove...jury still out on this.

teedubbya Offline
#143 Posted:
Joined: 08-14-2003
Posts: 95,637
who really cares? he's dead.




























or is he?
DrafterX Offline
#144 Posted:
Joined: 10-18-2005
Posts: 98,577
teedubbya wrote:


or is he?




deather... Shame on you Shame on you
DrMaddVibe Offline
#145 Posted:
Joined: 10-21-2000
Posts: 55,550
teedubbya wrote:
who really cares? he's dead.




























or is he?



I really though he was dead after we leveled that mountain range in Tora Bora. It went quiet with his home movies until the CIA started making their own and the fake Bin Laden popped up.

I really thought that we just had to keep the strawman alive to keep the War Machine humming on all cylinders. Now that we got him, can we finally get the heck out and bring ALL of our service members home?
wheelrite Offline
#146 Posted:
Joined: 11-01-2006
Posts: 50,119
DrafterX wrote:
deather... Shame on you Shame on you


No !!

He makes slurpees at my local Kwiki Mart...
teedubbya Offline
#147 Posted:
Joined: 08-14-2003
Posts: 95,637
wheelrite wrote:
No !!

He makes slurpees at my local Kwiki Mart...


chutney flavored slurpies
DrMaddVibe Offline
#148 Posted:
Joined: 10-21-2000
Posts: 55,550
No wheezing of the juice!Shame on you
teedubbya Offline
#149 Posted:
Joined: 08-14-2003
Posts: 95,637
Well now we're respected in society
We don't worry about the things that we used to be
We're talking heroin with the president
Well it's a problem, sir, but it can't be bent
Uh yes!

Well now you're a pillar of society
You don't worry about the things that you used to be
You're a rag-trade girl, you're the queen of porn
You're the easiest lay on the White House lawn
Get out of my life, don't come back
Get out of my life, don't come back

She's so respectable
She's so respectable
She's so delectable
She's so respectable
Get out of my life
Don't take my wife
Don't come back
Get out of my life
Don't take my wife
Don't come back
What I say!

She's so respectable
She's so respectable
She's so respectable
She's so respectable
Get out of my life
Don't take my wife
Don't come back
Oh get out of my life
Don't take my wife
Don't come back

She's so respectable
She's so respectable
She's so delectable
She's so respectable
Get out of my life
Don't take my wife
Don't come back...woo!
Get out of life
Don't take my wife
Don't come back
Get out of my life
Don't take my wife
Don't come back, come back, hey

DrafterX Offline
#150 Posted:
Joined: 10-18-2005
Posts: 98,577
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