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borndead1 Offline
#51 Posted: Sat, Oct 1 2011, 6:22 PM EST
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wheelrite wrote:
1st,
He never returned the donations from the KKK and other racist groups. Money = influence. -- If the check came from an individual person and was deposited, there's no way of knowing the supporter's racial views.

Paul is an isolationist.He despises Israel and is a phoney.If he was a true "Libertarian" he would run as such not as a GOP Candidate. -- Not wanting to fund Israel does not equal hatred. Wanting us to mind our own business and not entangle ourselves in the affairs of other countries is not isolationist. RP doesn't single out Israel..he wants to end all military/financial aid to foreign nations. You're stretching. As far as the Libertarian/Republican argument, you're right...sort of. RP's views are pretty close to the Republican Party PLATFORM. But their platform and their actions are very different. RP quickly realized that the American public is so caught up in a 2 party system that he had to label himself a D or R if he ever hoped to hold office.

He's politcal hack/opportunist like all the rest.

He's the Poster Child for The "Blame America crowd". -- Give me a break. Did you lift that directly from Fox news? RP has never said "America" is to blame for anything. He lays the blame on our foreign policy, as do I, and as do many millions of people, and not just Americans. Even the CIA's own reports mention that our foreign policy has caused "blowback". Bin Laden himself said on many occasions that the reason they have beef with us is because of our meddling in the Middle East and our support of Israel. Our government is NOT "America". If you think it is, you're delusional.

I don't disagree with a few of his postions on the economy.

He's an emabarassment and constantly says ridiculous things. -- Like what?

I find it amusing that The RP sycophants bite it all Hook line and sinker.He's even Co-sponsored legislation with Barney Frank... -- To end the federal war on marijuana and return power to the states? OMG the horror! He reached across the aisle to co-sponsor a bill with a democrat to take power away from the federal government! OMG!

the list is long...
wheelrite Offline
#52 Posted: Sat, Oct 1 2011, 6:29 PM EST
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I assume most Germans hadn't read Mein Kampf before Hitler was elected as Chancellor
ZRX1200 Offline
#53 Posted: Sat, Oct 1 2011, 6:49 PM EST
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Wheel.......really?

Look at the types that centralized federal power. He's not one.
wheelrite Offline
#54 Posted: Sat, Oct 1 2011, 6:53 PM EST
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Wheel.......really?

Look at the types that centralized federal power. He's not one.


yes,really...

He's a moron and all you with Blind Faith will be disappointed tremendously...

All this is well known here in TX,,,
wheelrite Offline
#55 Posted: Sat, Oct 1 2011, 6:57 PM EST
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H.R. 2965

Substantively, the Don't Ask Don't Tell policy weakens the strained U.S. military by kicking people out with good service records. There is a more formal problem with DADT as well: the policy to discriminate, to kick people out of the military because of their sexual orientation, is a violation of the Equal Protection clause of the 14th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution. The Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell Repeal Act of 2010 not only lends substantive benefit to the military and to lesbian and gay servicemembers, but also strengthens constitutional government.

Rep. Paul has acted progressively by voting YES to pass this measure.

I suggest you RP Zombies do a little research...
borndead1 Offline
#56 Posted: Sat, Oct 1 2011, 7:11 PM EST
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And?

It's true...DADT was unconstitutional.

Wheel, are you one of those people who love the Constitution as long as it furthers your personal views?
ZRX1200 Offline
#57 Posted: Sat, Oct 1 2011, 7:27 PM EST
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RP has gotten more contributions from military personel than any other candidate. They're zombies too.

Just because something in texas is known doesn't make it true.
wheelrite Offline
#58 Posted: Sat, Oct 1 2011, 7:34 PM EST
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You guys tickle me...

You've obviuosly not researched your guy.

Also,,

I screw around here and don't get too involved with the Politics and all.But,you guys really know very little about the guy you blindly endorse...

I suggest you read a bit,,,
borndead1 Offline
#59 Posted: Sat, Oct 1 2011, 7:47 PM EST
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wheelrite wrote:
You guys tickle me...

You've obviuosly not researched your guy.

Also,,

I screw around here and don't get too involved with the Politics and all.But,you guys really know very little about the guy you blindly endorse...

I suggest you read a bit,,,




Wheel, what's clear here is that YOU know very little about the guy I "blindly" endorse. All you've done is cut and paste a bunch of crap, much of which was already disproven or debunked during the 2008 campaign!

I suggest YOU read a bit too, instead of just Google searching "Ron Paul racist" and sh*t like that. Listen to the guy speak and listen to what he says. His message and his beliefs have not changed and do not change based on polls or the audience he is talking to.

Smaller, Constitutional government with less power
Less spending/lower taxes
No foreign aid
A foreign policy of non-intervention
Stronger personal freedoms/privacy/property rights
Stronger states rights
An end to perpetual war
Abolish the Federal Reserve and return to the gold standard

I ask you, in light of what has happened to our country over the past few decades, WTF is wrong with that philosophy?
ZRX1200 Offline
#60 Posted: Sat, Oct 1 2011, 8:04 PM EST
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Google is down....
dpnewell Offline
#61 Posted: Sat, Oct 1 2011, 8:35 PM EST
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borndead1 wrote:
Smaller, Constitutional government with less power
Less spending/lower taxes
No foreign aid
A foreign policy of non-intervention
Stronger personal freedoms/privacy/property rights
Stronger states rights
An end to perpetual war
Abolish the Federal Reserve and return to the gold standard

I ask you, in light of what has happened to our country over the past few decades, WTF is wrong with that philosophy?


Nothing at all my friend. He's what this country needs, but with so many "Nanny State" addicts, I don't see him having a chance, at least not this time around. This country used to be about personal freedom and responsiblity, now it's about "how much will the government give me?"
ShiftyMac Offline
#62 Posted: Sun, Oct 2 2011, 1:29 AM EST
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The support of repealing Dont ask Dont Tell is about the civil liberties of people already inthe service. It's not against anything for gays to be in the military its just not allowed for them to say anything about it? that's a little odd. Not too mention only 15% of those who are gay in the military would come out anyways because they know the military is full of a bunch of racist bigots and rednecks. Oh an as someone who got out of the Marine Corps as a Sergeant in May after 5 honorable years that's a pretty acurate statement on the thought process of lots of people in the military, also I took part in the DoD survey about DADT and the numbers are correct.

And Israel? Why the hell do we give Israel a puppet state we created so the Jews would have a homeland billions of dollars a year. Are the Palestinians just suppose to have said oh yea sure come on in you can have the land. Another case of the blowback I mentioned earlier which causes more harm and more problems than it could ever create. There is no need to throw away billions of dollars on the defense of another country, or to prop up its politicians.
ZRX1200 Offline
#63 Posted: Sun, Oct 2 2011, 1:36 AM EST
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I don't like the amount of money we get them but they are a US allies. They can and should handle more themselves.
HockeyDad Offline
#64 Posted: Sun, Oct 2 2011, 8:56 AM EST
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I told you Ron Paul would be destroyed. The anti-Semite card is a great way to do it. All that stuff Wheelrite found is out there for a reason.

This great nation needs Mitt Romney.
engletl Offline
#65 Posted: Sun, Oct 2 2011, 9:33 AM EST
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ShiftyMac wrote:
He is as far from a socialist as it can get. We've had 12 years of outrageous gov't spending from both parties and the other GOP candidates are just as bad. I'd say it's worth a shot to see if someone who really has the interests of the people in mind can get things going.



If unrestricted government spending is what you want to change...then quit focusing in on the Pres. and start looking at the HoR & Congress first...

Sweep both clean of long-time/special interest/pork barrel spending members and replace them with fresh idea thinking members
wheelrite Offline
#66 Posted: Sun, Oct 2 2011, 9:53 AM EST
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It's obvious all the Paulists are Pot Heads ....
ZRX1200 Offline
#67 Posted: Sun, Oct 2 2011, 9:55 AM EST
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^ agree mostly.

Where I disagree is that electing Ron Paul sends a message that America has truely had it with the status quo.
snowwolf777 Offline
#68 Posted: Mon, Oct 3 2011, 5:49 AM EST
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The guy can't get a majority of congressmen to follow even one of his "innovative" ideas to law. But you're going to get a majority of folks in this country to put him in the White House. Mmmm-K.Think

He takes a few good ideas and drowns them with text book isolationist crap and "everyone ought to be able to smoke pot or shoot heroin if they want" ideas that mainstream America will not now - or ever - support. Spoiler alert for a lot of you RP supporters: Congress isn't going to legalize drugs nationwide even if he is elected. Sorry, Rastaman.Eh?

He's Ross Perot-lite. He'll syphon off votes to help the El Presidente Bobblehead and the vice slow speed yo-yo operator another 4 years.
snowwolf777 Offline
#69 Posted: Mon, Oct 3 2011, 5:52 AM EST
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And besides, aren't all you pot-heads who support Ron Paul supposed to be into that "love your fellow man" crap? Out giving flowers and a bowl of lentil soup and a hit off your joint to those less fortunate? Or is it you just don't have enough in your stash to share?Not talking
HockeyDad Offline
#70 Posted: Mon, Oct 3 2011, 6:05 AM EST
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Just like the Tea Party, Ron Paul will be destroyed by both Republicans and Democrats.

We live in a two party political system. There is no room for a third party. Any time something arises that even slightly smells of third party, it will be destroyed. We're just doing you a favor. If big business, foreign interests, and unions had to buy off the politicians of three parties instead of just two, it would cause a significant increase in cost and that would have to be passed on through increased prices.

Eliminating third parties keeps costs down for consumers. You're welcome.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#71 Posted: Mon, Oct 3 2011, 7:03 AM EST
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wheelrite wrote:
Rep. Ron Paul (R-Texas) says he would consider putting the liberal congressman Dennis Kucinich (D-Ohio) in his Cabinet if he were to win the presidency in 2012.


We've ALL seen how this "Us vs. Them" has played out. Perhaps you feel that America has the time left or the gas in the tank still to reclaim her past glory. I don't feel that way. Look around. The next generation is the spoiled generation. The texting...PS3...gimmie gimmie...I don't want to move out of the house generation. That just happens to be saddled with debt. Debt they didn't create, but debt they will have to pay down. They're starting in a hole. A deep hole. It's their work ethic that bothers me. Then there's the whole political game. People think their side is the only one with good ideas. Sorry. That's wrong. Being able to work with the other side is something that's eluded the DC Beltway piggies for quite some time. They've forgotten who they work for and become part of the system as soon as they get to their new office. Ever think for a second that having Kucinich in his cabinet relieves him from the House...writing bills or voting down legislation?Think

wheelrite wrote:
Paul said his libertarian political philosophy helps him connect with some on the far left — including Kucinich, who shares Paul’s general anti-war stance.


Yes, having a Libertarian stance does open you up to a whole new guilt free way of thinking. I highly encourage it. I'm a fiscal conservative but hold many of the Libertarian mantra to heart. When do you declare victory Wheel? Ever look at the debt clock and wonder just what's making the meter spinning off the wall? Really think that what's going on in Afghanistan really is worth the blood anymore?


wheelrite wrote:
he's a moron


Sorry, but he's a very accomplished human that's not wavered in his beliefs. He has watched as the causes he's personally championed for over 20 years have FINALLY taken the center stage. Taxes...personal freedoms...ending the Federal Reserve charter...state's rights. Yeah, a real moron...NOT! I understand why people don't like him, but this RINO bullspit has gotten us NO WHERE! This D lite is as bad as the regular D. They mythical "Blue Dogs" are gone...they never were in my mind though...so please tell me where the spending cuts come from? I will not support Romney or Perry or any other hair parting spoonfed goofy smiling idiot. I want someone with a freaking brain with a track record. I've supported Paul before and I like many of the things Cain is espousing right now with his 999 plan. He needs a house and senate to pass it though. Both have something behind them besides a litany of "Present" votes and a blank canvas to project anything one wants like the current **** sitting in the White House.
apachelm Offline
#72 Posted: Mon, Oct 3 2011, 1:41 PM EST
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borndead1 wrote:
Wheel, what's clear here is that YOU know very little about the guy I "blindly" endorse. All you've done is cut and paste a bunch of crap, much of which was already disproven or debunked during the 2008 campaign!

I suggest YOU read a bit too, instead of just Google searching "Ron Paul racist" and sh*t like that. Listen to the guy speak and listen to what he says. His message and his beliefs have not changed and do not change based on polls or the audience he is talking to.

Smaller, Constitutional government with less power - sounds good
Less spending/lower taxes - this would be good as well
No foreign aid - isn't gonna happen and wouldn't be good for us anyhow (but a look at how much and WHERE it goes would be a good thing)
A foreign policy of non-intervention - see above comment
Stronger personal freedoms/privacy/property rights - for the most part this sounds good but you have to be careful of slippery slopes
Stronger states rights - again for the most part good but be careful to preserve The Union
An end to perpetual war - I'm not opposed to necessary wars
Abolish the Federal Reserve and return to the gold standard - this I need to study more about

I ask you, in light of what has happened to our country over the past few decades, WTF is wrong with that philosophy?
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