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DaQueenBeez Offline
#51 Posted: Sun, Oct 2 2011, 3:14 PM EST
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wheelrite wrote:
Skeletor,
who dat is ??



Mortal enemy of He-Man, Master of the Universe. Needs to eat a cheeseburger or two.
wheelrite Offline
#52 Posted: Sun, Oct 2 2011, 3:19 PM EST
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DaQueenBeez wrote:
Mortal enemy of He-Man, Master of the Universe. Needs to eat a cheeseburger or two.


oh him...
HockeyDad Offline
#53 Posted: Sun, Oct 2 2011, 4:33 PM EST
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DaQueenBeez wrote:
Mortal enemy of He-Man, Master of the Universe. Needs to eat a cheeseburger or two.




I thought it was Maria Shriver.
TMCTLT Offline
#54 Posted: Sun, Oct 2 2011, 5:25 PM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
I thought it was Maria Shriver.



Me too!!!! Unsure
DaQueenBeez Offline
#55 Posted: Sun, Oct 2 2011, 6:26 PM EST
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No - she's Conan's nemesis.
nickatnite Offline
#56 Posted: Sun, Oct 2 2011, 10:57 PM EST
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engletl wrote:
a Traitor is a Traitor and desevre a Traitor's death



+1!!!

During a time of war, the penalty for being a traitor to this country IS DEATH.
nickatnite Offline
#57 Posted: Sun, Oct 2 2011, 11:22 PM EST
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DaQueenBeez wrote:
No - she's Conan's nemesis.



LOL
DaQueenBeez Offline
#58 Posted: Sun, Oct 2 2011, 11:23 PM EST
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On a personal level, I agree. Frankly, if I'd had the opportunity, I can't say I wouldn't have pulled the trigger on him myself. However... I think we need to be careful with things like this. First of all, I'm pretty sure we're not at war with Yemen. (Not yet, anyway.) Second, between homeland INsecurity and expanded executive powers and who knows what else, the definition of what constitutes "treason" seems to be getting broader all the time. If we don't get a handle on this self-appointed-judge-jury-and-executioner business, I'm afraid 3/4 of the cbid politics forum is going to end up in front of the firing squad as traitors. It's entirely possible that I've missed something - I've only read one or two quick articles on the whole business - but as far as I can tell, his "crimes" consisted of belonging to the wrong religion and political...ah... party(?), and ranting against the government. Yes, the penalty for treason is death, BUT, U.S. citizens are guaranteed due process by our Constitution. If he were to be captured and tried for the crimes he is accused of, and found guilty, then he would be executed. I shudder to think that this kind of thing may become the norm, and that our government would have the authority to murder any citizen they please, on the spot, without warning much less due process, simply on the *accusation* of treason. (I, for one, believe the dirtbag was guilty. However, I wouldn't want to set a precedent of executing people based on opinions...)
nickatnite Offline
#59 Posted: Sun, Oct 2 2011, 11:24 PM EST
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dubleuhb wrote:
Reach for something all you want, If someone is plotting to do harm to this country or it's citizens then they have crossed the line. So we should just let this piece of crap go on about his way and maybe someday he succeeds, great call. I will lose no sleep over a terrorist taking a dirtnap if it means pushing the limits some. This piece of camel crap lost his rights as soon as he turned on his country. Sure it would have been better if he would have been brought to trial but as long as he stayed in Yemen and their government would not cooperate with him being returned to us then we must do as we must to protect the people of this country.
Then again whe can just wait for him to get it right one time, that would be so much better.Brick wall




Applause Applause Applause Applause
HockeyDad Offline
#60 Posted: Mon, Oct 3 2011, 6:07 AM EST
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Just wait until President Palin has this new power.

You betcha!
DrMaddVibe Offline
#61 Posted: Mon, Oct 3 2011, 6:44 AM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
I thought it was Maria Shriver.


I thought it was Jerry Jones....Think
apachelm Offline
#62 Posted: Mon, Oct 3 2011, 1:57 PM EST
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ShiftyMac wrote:
Sooo anyone wanted should be killed?


It is how the Obama administration chose to deal with the "enhanced interrogation" & "GITMO" issues they hit the Bush administration over the head with. With drone strikes nobody can say they tortured them. Course you don't gain any info they might have told you about other terror plots.
rfenst Offline
#63 Posted: Tue, Oct 4 2011, 2:31 PM EST
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ShiftyMac wrote:
Is anyone else seriously disturbed about the assassination of Anwar-al Awlaki? He is a United States citizen who was Living in Yemen. The President deemed him a radical muslim cleric and an enemy of the state and killed him via unmanned drones in Yemen.

Awlaki didn't kill anyone, he wasn't even a terrorist. He promoted jihad against the U.S. but technically never hurt anyone. He had no trial there was no due process, Obama was judge juror and executioner.

How does everyone feel about the President murdering U.S. citizens no matter who they are in foreign nations far from the battlefield? Another unnamed U.S. citizen was killed with him too.



I haven't read this thread, but the Fifth Amendment concerns the right to be silent when questioned. That is not the issue here.

If there is law under the War Powers Act or precedent that supports killing the guy under the particular circumstances, then I have no problem with it. Due process is always a worthy goal, but isn't always possible in every single scenario, particularly those involving war or terrorism.
teedubbya Offline
#64 Posted: Tue, Oct 4 2011, 2:50 PM EST
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The problem is the war on terrorism is virtually undefineable and will be infinite. We are fighting the boogieman and it is just a matter of who defines who the boogieman is. As long as a person is deemed bad by ???? then its ok to off them and figure it out later.

I am concerned with how willing folks seem to be to go along with the end justifies the means mentality Not just this instance but the Saddam Hussein was mean so all is ok crowd fits here too. As long as we can define something as bad or a problem then that allows us to absolve ourselves of anything we do as appropriate or a solution. Again, the trick is controlling the definition of "problem" then we can do whatever we want.
DrafterX Offline
#65 Posted: Tue, Oct 4 2011, 2:55 PM EST
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Bassard Boogieman!!!!! ram27bat
Brewha Offline
#66 Posted: Tue, Oct 4 2011, 3:22 PM EST
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Well, it’s only murder if we call it murder. Capital punishment is not murder, but injecting someone with poison without a license is murder.

The ambiguity of this situation underscores that there are no moral absolutes. The truth is mutable. And in the end, we can do whatever we can rationalize and sell to society as the ‘right thing to do’. You just have to be in power – or better yet; tell them it’s God’s will . . . .

BTW, bread and circuses was replaced with TV and Govment cheese.
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#67 Posted: Tue, Oct 4 2011, 3:27 PM EST
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All in favor of declaring Brewha today's bogie man say eye eye eye (ala crazy train)
DrafterX Offline
#68 Posted: Tue, Oct 4 2011, 3:39 PM EST
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Brewha wrote:

What you lookin' at? You all a bunch of ****' ****. You know why? You don't have the guts to be what you wanna be? You need people like me. You need people like me so you can point your ****' fingers and say, "That's the bad guy." So... what that make you? Good? You're not good. You just know how to hide, how to lie. Me, I don't have that problem. Me, I always tell the truth. Even when I lie. So say good night to the bad guy! Come on. The last time you gonna see a bad guy like this again, let me tell you. Come on. Make way for the bad guy. There's a bad guy comin' through! Better get outta his way!




Blink
Brewha Offline
#69 Posted: Tue, Oct 4 2011, 3:42 PM EST
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Shucks –

I have been found out . . . .
rfenst Offline
#70 Posted: Tue, Oct 4 2011, 4:03 PM EST
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ZRX1200 wrote:
I find it to be a horrific precedent. I've heard arguments that the war powers act of 2001 gives him the authority to do this but he is a US citizen.

I don't like it.


And after the Bin Laden incident I doubt that this was even him. Everytine poll numbers go down they drag out a dead terrorist to keep people gungho.


I am extremely confident that this assassination does not create new precedent. We have been taking people out for years and should continue to do so in circumstances with this one. As to the political aspect of this, I don't think poll numbers mean anything real. So what if there is a few percentage point bump in the polls? It won't last long enough to be meaningful.
rfenst Offline
#71 Posted: Tue, Oct 4 2011, 4:08 PM EST
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ShiftyMac wrote:
Everyone deserves a trial before they are killed or put in prison.


Everyone? All the time? Without regard for the particular circumstances?

Let's see if you really mean that: Bank robber seizes a little girl and holds his hand-gun to her head. Snipers finally get a clear shot and they blow his head off his shoulders.

Where was his "due process"?
teedubbya Offline
#72 Posted: Tue, Oct 4 2011, 4:10 PM EST
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We need to go back to doing these things with plausable denyability. Have others do our dirty work or do things in a way it looks like it may have been us but we pretend it wasn't with a big smile. We are getting stupid/arrogant about things.
rfenst Offline
#73 Posted: Tue, Oct 4 2011, 5:04 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
We need to go back to doing these things with plausable denyability. Have others do our dirty work or do things in a way it looks like it may have been us but we pretend it wasn't with a big smile. We are getting stupid/arrogant about things.


I don't care how we do it- as long as it gets done.
Brewha Offline
#74 Posted: Tue, Oct 4 2011, 5:40 PM EST
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rfenst wrote:
I don't care how we do it- as long as it gets done.


Sounds like a line for your girl friend . . . .
rfenst Offline
#75 Posted: Tue, Oct 4 2011, 7:23 PM EST
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Brewha wrote:
Sounds like a line for your girl friend . . . .


Nah, just fair warning to my wife.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#76 Posted: Wed, Oct 5 2011, 5:56 AM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
We need to go back to doing these things with plausable denyability. Have others do our dirty work or do things in a way it looks like it may have been us but we pretend it wasn't with a big smile. We are getting stupid/arrogant about things.



Holder is working on that one Fast & Furious!


Besides being stupid AND arrogant is a Kenyan King trait.
teedubbya Offline
#77 Posted: Wed, Oct 5 2011, 2:46 PM EST
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One of my biggest complaints about the bushies formalizing torture is that it formalized torture. It is meant to be behind closed doors and denied. Geez.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#78 Posted: Wed, Oct 5 2011, 3:32 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
One of my biggest complaints about the bushies formalizing torture is that it formalized torture. It is meant to be behind closed doors and denied. Geez.



I suppose they cudda called it Milk & Cookie time.Frying pan
DrafterX Offline
#79 Posted: Wed, Oct 5 2011, 3:36 PM EST
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
I suppose they cudda called it Milk & Cookie time.Frying pan



Think Think
don't think that will work.... tell some terrorist dude he better talk or else he gets milk and cookies..?? Huh

much more effective to call it Jumper Cables on the Balls Time.... ThumpUp
ZRX1200 Offline
#80 Posted: Wed, Oct 5 2011, 3:39 PM EST
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Hot anal with Barney Frank and bacon grease time?
DrafterX Offline
#81 Posted: Wed, Oct 5 2011, 3:40 PM EST
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freak... Mellow
teedubbya Offline
#82 Posted: Wed, Oct 5 2011, 3:43 PM EST
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Just do it. Then dispose. No muss no fuss. Don't codify it.
ZRX1200 Offline
#83 Posted: Wed, Oct 5 2011, 3:43 PM EST
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Well don't half azz it.


Pouring water on your noggin ain't torture.

Now Barney Frank.......
teedubbya Offline
#84 Posted: Wed, Oct 5 2011, 3:48 PM EST
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Hot anal with Barney Frank and bacon grease time?


If you add a little lettuce and tomato to barney would it still be a BLT?
ZRX1200 Offline
#85 Posted: Wed, Oct 5 2011, 3:52 PM EST
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Im sure he would "check the salad" and come up with something....don't know bout the tomato.
cacman Offline
#86 Posted: Wed, Oct 5 2011, 4:27 PM EST
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DaQueenBeez wrote:
I voted AGAINST the current administration. I disagree with darn near every bill/policy our (non-citizen, IMO) idiot-in-chief sets forth. I actively and aggressively advocate the FIRING of every single government official until they start remembering who works for whom. THEY work for US - THEY take orders from US, not the other way around. I have stated in person and on the internet that the people should NEVER fear their government, but the government should ALWAYS fear the people. By the definitions I'm seeing here, that makes me an un-American traitor. (By Obummer standards, it also makes me a racist, but I don't think that's an assasination-worthy offense....yet.) I have mentioned to several people, on several occasions, that I think we'd be worlds better off if a secret service agent would push the idiot-in-chief in front of a moving bus... specifically that stupid land-yacht campaign bus of his. Sounds to me like I need to get my affairs in order - apparently I'm the next great terrorist threat.

I like the way you think Queenie.
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