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HockeyDad Offline
#101 Posted: Fri, Oct 28 2011, 8:48 AM EST
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Can you identify some of the laws that favor corporate owners that you want changed?
Brewha Offline
#102 Posted: Fri, Oct 28 2011, 9:00 AM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
Can you identify some of the laws that favor corporate owners that you want changed?


Sure – how ‘bout Monsanto’s patent rights on corn seed.
HockeyDad Offline
#103 Posted: Fri, Oct 28 2011, 10:01 AM EST
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Brewha wrote:
Sure – how ‘bout Monsanto’s patent rights on corn seed.



So you want to eliminate patents.
Brewha Offline
#104 Posted: Fri, Oct 28 2011, 10:48 AM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
So you want to eliminate patents.


No – I don’t want to eliminate corn seed either.

That’s one down and nine to go. Would you like to pass to Arleen?
HockeyDad Offline
#105 Posted: Fri, Oct 28 2011, 10:53 AM EST
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You can pass to Arleen if you want but you know darn well that there is no Monsanto patent law. Even Arleen will tell you that all you did was post a useless gripe that you want to shake your fist at from the comfort of your couch.

You want to try another law....some other law that favor corporate owners that you want changed.
Brewha Offline
#106 Posted: Fri, Oct 28 2011, 12:55 PM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
You can pass to Arleen if you want but you know darn well that there is no Monsanto patent law. Even Arleen will tell you that all you did was post a useless gripe that you want to shake your fist at from the comfort of your couch.

You want to try another law....some other law that favor corporate owners that you want changed.


The December 10th, 2001 Supreme Court ruling effectively expanded the patent laws to allow biotech companies (Monsato) to not only patent genetically modified seed but also conventional varieties as well.

See if you can find a farmer who does not know about this, or thinks it is anything other than a law that favors corporate owners and should be changed.



Interesting that you would denied it rather than simply cop to not knowing about it. I mean you’re not a farmer right?

You’re turn now – Is this application of the patent laws proper, or should it be changed?
teedubbya Offline
#107 Posted: Fri, Oct 28 2011, 1:53 PM EST
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this whole debate is corny
Cybus Offline
#108 Posted: Fri, Oct 28 2011, 1:58 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
this whole debate is corny


You're corny

Wink
teedubbya Offline
#109 Posted: Fri, Oct 28 2011, 2:09 PM EST
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no I'm cheesey. I smell bluberries for some reason
teedubbya Offline
#110 Posted: Fri, Oct 28 2011, 2:10 PM EST
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I get so cornfused
Cybus Offline
#111 Posted: Fri, Oct 28 2011, 2:13 PM EST
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I realized I hadn't posted in over a year so I thought I should probably say hi. Did I miss anything?
teedubbya Offline
#112 Posted: Fri, Oct 28 2011, 2:16 PM EST
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Nah. Not really.

CROS - Still missing
Sven - Still gay and shilling dog turds as premiums

that's about it.




things ok wit you?
Cybus Offline
#113 Posted: Fri, Oct 28 2011, 2:33 PM EST
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Things are going fine with me, just ordering more smokes.

Now I'm going to smoke one outside while on the phone. Work can be enjoyable.

Still stop by the Outlaw? You've probably been to the south location, right?
teedubbya Offline
#114 Posted: Fri, Oct 28 2011, 2:36 PM EST
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Cybus wrote:
Things are going fine with me, just ordering more smokes.

Now I'm going to smoke one outside while on the phone. Work can be enjoyable.

Still stop by the Outlaw? You've probably been to the south location, right?


Don't get to either much. I'm sort of a home body as of late.
HockeyDad Offline
#115 Posted: Fri, Oct 28 2011, 3:33 PM EST
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Brewha wrote:
The December 10th, 2001 Supreme Court ruling effectively expanded the patent laws to allow biotech companies (Monsato) to not only patent genetically modified seed but also conventional varieties as well.

See if you can find a farmer who does not know about this, or thinks it is anything other than a law that favors corporate owners and should be changed.



Interesting that you would denied it rather than simply cop to not knowing about it. I mean you’re not a farmer right?

You’re turn now – Is this application of the patent laws proper, or should it be changed?



You're mad about a Supreme Court decision from 10 years ago! The exact same law and court ruling applies to you if you went out and invented some genetically modified seed. Then you would be the corporate owner biotech that the corporate owner farmers didn't like. You just sound bitter.

So you want to go change the patent laws to expressly go after Monsanto and think that will hold up in court? Over the last 10 years have the Republicans or your beloved Democrats made any effort to do this?!
FuzzNJ Offline
#116 Posted: Fri, Oct 28 2011, 3:42 PM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
You're mad about a Supreme Court decision from 10 years ago! The exact same law and court ruling applies to you if you went out and invented some genetically modified seed. Then you would be the corporate owner biotech that the corporate owner farmers didn't like. You just sound bitter.

So you want to go change the patent laws to expressly go after Monsanto and think that will hold up in court? Over the last 10 years have the Republicans or your beloved Democrats made any effort to do this?!




The corporation is attempting to control all food grown in the world via patents and modifying seed to only work for one grow season. This cross pollinates, ruins other crops, they sue those farmers who accidentally are cross pollinated for 'stealing' their property and hurt emerging and poor countries and the over-all health and well being of the entire planet with their genetically modified food stuff.

So yes, the food population for the planet going forward is important enough to get rid of some patents. No one has gone after this because both parties are bought and paid for, something that has been said over and over.

If the bottom line is all that mattered above all else then crack would be sold by Winston.
wheelrite Offline
#117 Posted: Fri, Oct 28 2011, 3:46 PM EST
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pdxstogieman wrote:
And your factual basis for that statement is......?

Right. Didn't think so.


I have owned rent houses that were rented by Sec 8 tennants.
One was a Katrician family.

That's how I know...
teedubbya Offline
#118 Posted: Fri, Oct 28 2011, 3:53 PM EST
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I saw a fat dude jaywalk today. they all jaywalk.
HockeyDad Offline
#119 Posted: Fri, Oct 28 2011, 4:00 PM EST
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FuzzNJ wrote:
The corporation is attempting to control all food grown in the world via patents and modifying seed to only work for one grow season. This cross pollinates, ruins other crops, they sue those farmers who accidentally are cross pollinated for 'stealing' their property and hurt emerging and poor countries and the over-all health and well being of the entire planet with their genetically modified food stuff.

So yes, the food population for the planet going forward is important enough to get rid of some patents. No one has gone after this because both parties are bought and paid for, something that has been said over and over.




Don't buy Monsanto seed. One possible solution.

Pass special patent laws to go after one corporation and try to get that upheld in court. Another possible solution.

One option you can do right now. One you have to wait for Uncle Sugar to do for you. Initiative, people. Take some. Occupy Monsanto!
FuzzNJ Offline
#120 Posted: Fri, Oct 28 2011, 4:14 PM EST
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wheelrite wrote:
I have owned rent houses that were rented by Sec 8 tennants.
One was a Katrician family.

That's how I know...


Yeah, my father worked a second job repairing and doing maintenance on scores of those owned by friends of his and he saw a few people he thought might have been scamming, but he saw a whole lot more who were trying hard and were working hard to try and get ahead. It changed his opinion a bit.
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#121 Posted: Fri, Oct 28 2011, 6:12 PM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
You're mad about a Supreme Court decision from 10 years ago! The exact same law and court ruling applies to you if you went out and invented some genetically modified seed. Then you would be the corporate owner biotech that the corporate owner farmers didn't like. You just sound bitter.

So you want to go change the patent laws to expressly go after Monsanto and think that will hold up in court? Over the last 10 years have the Republicans or your beloved Democrats made any effort to do this?!


Geeez – what a weasel. You ask for a statute that exemplifies a law favoring corporations and when I give it to you accuse me of bitter anger.

You haven’t looked into this and don't understand the ramification, but are eager to lecture and have the gall to hand out a 'boot strap' lecture. This is an “inappropriate use of the law for corporate gain” and you back it blindly – even though it affects us all.

Nothing personal HD, but you are a fool - and I mean it in the practical sense.
HockeyDad Offline
#122 Posted: Fri, Oct 28 2011, 8:35 PM EST
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Brewha wrote:
Geeez – what a weasel. You ask for a statute that exemplifies a law favoring corporations and when I give it to you accuse me of bitter anger.

You haven’t looked into this and don't understand the ramification, but are eager to lecture and have the gall to hand out a 'boot strap' lecture. This is an “inappropriate use of the law for corporate gain” and you back it blindly – even though it affects us all.

Nothing personal HD, but you are a fool - and I mean it in the practical sense.




The patent laws don't favor corporations, they favor anyone who holds a patent, including you. You have demonstrated a repeated pattern of bitterness and jealousy towards those that are more successful than you. You've convinced yourself that there is a Monsanto Law just like you've convinced yourself about how "The Man" is keeping you down.

Instead of using your time calling people fools, why don't you spend some time working on some patents. Perhaps the fine scientists at Monsanto are just way better at it than you are. I'm sure you have a ready-made excuse already prepared to justify why you should not even bother to get off the couch.

The game is rigged and the playing field is stacked against you. Why even bother until someone comes along and fixes it all for you.

Oh and.....nothing personal!
Brewha Offline
#123 Posted: Fri, Oct 28 2011, 9:59 PM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
The patent laws don't favor corporations, they favor anyone who holds a patent, including you. You have demonstrated a repeated pattern of bitterness and jealousy towards those that are more successful than you. You've convinced yourself that there is a Monsanto Law just like you've convinced yourself about how "The Man" is keeping you down.

Instead of using your time calling people fools, why don't you spend some time working on some patents. Perhaps the fine scientists at Monsanto are just way better at it than you are. I'm sure you have a ready-made excuse already prepared to justify why you should not even bother to get off the couch.

The game is rigged and the playing field is stacked against you. Why even bother until someone comes along and fixes it all for you.

Oh and.....nothing personal!


HockeyDad, I come from a family of engineers. My Grandfather and Father both created and for a time held a small number of patents for electronic and mechanical devices. I myself am a party to a patent for on obscure device that is widely marketed today. So I write with some novice level of understanding in this matter.

I thank you for you honesty – at least you can offer that. But do you have any understanding of the negotiation of patent ownership? I feel your ideals are nothing more than that – ideals – apart from the realities of business.

My Father used to to say to me “what, you think the world in on the level?” He often warned me of the folly of those who think that is is.
As do you.

Perhaps it is me that is the fool. Sometimes I think you can show people the face of greed and they will understand. Foolish indeed.
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#124 Posted: Sat, Oct 29 2011, 6:30 AM EST
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What does any of that have to do with your hatred and jealousy of Monsanto and why you want special anti-Monsanto laws?

I understand that you think the game is rigged and the playing field is stacked against you and your dad did too so I can now see a multi-generational link just as you followed in his footsteps and became an engineer. Perhaps these things are genetic. It could even go back further to when your ancestor came over on the Mayflower and complained about getting bottom bunk.

If you are so concerned about the need to show people the face of greed, why do you and you family hold/formerly held patents? What was the purpose of patenting something? Were you just that darn proud of it and wanted to show the world or did you want to protect your marketing and income rights like a little tiny Monsanto? Surely when you sold it the situation would just be the "face of making a little money" and not the "face of greed".

I don't deal with patents. I have people for that. I deal with intellectual property. Things we likely won't pursue a patent on for 5+ years still and we're not about to tell anybody in the world about the inner workings like we would have to do as part of the patent application process. We'll do that only at the point that we want to license it and at that point we would defend those rights just like Monsanto would. I would assume you would defend your patent rights as well to protect your royalty/licensing stream unless that belongs to your employer. Hopefully that is not what "a party to a patent" means in your definition.

I once got this in a fortune cookie: "When attempting to show the face of greed, be mindful not to show the face of jealousy". 10 14 22 36 38 49 (I don't think the lottery numbers won anything)
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#125 Posted: Sat, Oct 29 2011, 9:56 AM EST
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I gotta admit, the constant misrepresentation of our positions, even after being told what they are over and over, by those on the right in the media and their brainwashed monkies on message boards such as this can get very annoying. It's like talking to children.
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#126 Posted: Sat, Oct 29 2011, 10:11 AM EST
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Our positions?


Did you join some sort of movement or has your couch formulated a mission statement?
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#127 Posted: Sat, Oct 29 2011, 10:21 AM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
Our positions?


Did you join some sort of movement or has your couch formulated a mission statement?


The post you responded to was, of course, inspired by your latest and purposeful misrepresentation that somehow pointing out and protesting the social engineering this country has been going through for the last 30 years is stacked against the middle class and poor is personal greed and nothing more. The shifting of the tax burden to the middle class that started under Reagan was called 'broadening the base'.
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#128 Posted: Sat, Oct 29 2011, 10:31 AM EST
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I thought we were talking about Monsanto, patent law, and how Brewha has been slighted.

However, you and your couch's outrage are duly noted.
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#129 Posted: Sat, Oct 29 2011, 10:45 AM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
I thought we were talking about Monsanto, patent law, and how Brewha has been slighted.

However, you and your couch's outrage are duly noted.


The entire 'greed' charge lobbed at the OWS'rs by those on the right who defend the teabaggers is ironic considering the teabaggers embrace of Randian philosophy which is based on me, me, me and mine, mine, mine.
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#130 Posted: Sat, Oct 29 2011, 10:48 AM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
I thought we were talking about Monsanto, patent law, and how Brewha has been slighted.

However, you and your couch's outrage are duly noted.


It all started when the gubmint got involved and required those "Do not remove under penalty of law" tags on all upholstered items.
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#131 Posted: Sat, Oct 29 2011, 10:52 AM EST
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pdxstogieman wrote:
It all started when the gubmint got involved and required those "Do not remove under penalty of law" tags on all upholstered items.


That's how Hitler started.
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#132 Posted: Sat, Oct 29 2011, 4:11 PM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
I once got this in a fortune cookie: "When attempting to show the face of greed, be mindful not to show the face of jealousy". 10 14 22 36 38 49 (I don't think the lottery numbers won anything)


So fortune cookies are the bases of your philosophy - Well, no surprise there.

I suppose the peasants that got tired of eating cake and overthrew the government in France were just jealous and greedy, little lazy people. Don't they run things today?
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#133 Posted: Sat, Oct 29 2011, 4:53 PM EST
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Brewha wrote:
So fortune cookies are the bases of your philosophy - Well, no surprise there.

I suppose the peasants that got tired of eating cake and overthrew the government in France were just jealous and greedy, little lazy people. Don't they run things today?




They didn't overthrow the King because they were upset about Monsanto. You couldn't even carry their piss bucket and should be embarrassed for even trying to put yourself remotely in their same league.

...but if you're so hell-bent, let's see you try.

Look down, look down, you'll always be a slave, look down, look down, you're standing in your grave.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-p6OH7FoWoQ&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IddP8AAIGTQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lYizXBQ5EQA

Everybody sing!

Vive le France!
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#134 Posted: Sat, Oct 29 2011, 5:33 PM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
They didn't overthrow the King because they were upset about Monsanto.


Well of course not as they weren't around.

Why did they? Near bankruptcy because of previous wars, rising food prices, inadequate and regressive taxation system, rich getting richer, poor getting poorer, citizens looking for political and economic equality and freedom from religious oppression from the church, stuff like that right?

I wish there was a way for us as humans to predict social upheaval by knowing the stuff to look for, you know, the causes, the stuff that makes people pissed off somehow.
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#135 Posted: Sat, Oct 29 2011, 6:04 PM EST
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You mean stuff that would make people get off the couch?
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#136 Posted: Sat, Oct 29 2011, 8:00 PM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
Everybody sing!

Vive le France!


HD has lost his croissant chewing mind . . . . . .


But what the hell – I too have French blood (not that my family speaks of it openly).
I will salute the fleur-de-lis with both hands.
I will learn to say “I surrender” in thirty languages.
And I too will speak with self righteous indignation – for no reason I can find . . .

Snails! Who has the snails?
HockeyDad Offline
#137 Posted: Sun, Oct 30 2011, 5:46 AM EST
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Brewha wrote:
HD has lost his croissant chewing mind . . . . . .


But what the hell – I too have French blood (not that my family speaks of it openly).
I will salute the fleur-de-lis with both hands.
I will learn to say “I surrender” in thirty languages.
And I too will speak with self righteous indignation – for no reason I can find . . .

Snails! Who has the snails?





The important thing is that it is clear you learned to say "I surrender" in English a long time ago. It just sucks being the victim all the time, doesn't it? Maybe FEMA will come a long soon with some free stuff for you.
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#138 Posted: Sun, Oct 30 2011, 11:02 AM EST
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no free stuff for X.... Sad
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