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HockeyDad Offline
#101 Posted: Thu, Dec 22 2011, 7:48 PM EST
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itsawaldo wrote:
I stand by my post, SS contributions which come back to me is not a tax.
It really sounds like you need to get out of NJ, in fact this country and search for a taxless and contributionless society that supports everyone equally. Think Harrison Bergeron and a world of the future where we are all equal in everyway.




It is a tax because you are required to pay it and those benefits you think you're going to get can be eliminated by a stroke of a pen.

(If the US Government had to follow SarBox accounting like a private business, it would be bankrupt because of unfunded mandates like SS and Medicare. The reality is it is a promise that can be revoked, not a contractual mandate.)
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#102 Posted: Thu, Dec 22 2011, 7:51 PM EST
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itsawaldo wrote:
I stand by my post, SS contributions which come back to me is not a tax.
It really sounds like you need to get out of NJ, in fact this country and search for a taxless and contributionless society that supports everyone equally. Think Harrison Bergeron and a world of the future where we are all equal in everyway.


Sure, you can define crap anyway you want, just don't expect other people to do it too. I would like to define FuzzNJ as the sexiest man alive, but we all know that's not the case.
HockeyDad Offline
#103 Posted: Thu, Dec 22 2011, 7:52 PM EST
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itsawaldo wrote:
you need to get out of NJ, in fact this country and search for a taxless and contributionless society that supports everyone equally.


FuzzNJ does not want taxless and contributionless.......he wants some people (the rich) saddled with heavy taxes and contributions while some people (him...the poor) reap massive benefits.
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#104 Posted: Thu, Dec 22 2011, 7:53 PM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
It is a tax because you are required to pay it and those benefits you think you're going to get can be eliminated by a stroke of a pen.

(If the US Government had to follow SarBox accounting like a private business, it would be bankrupt because of unfunded mandates like SS and Medicare. The reality is it is a promise that can be revoked, not a contractual mandate.)


Don't know what to say here. HD agrees with me. F*ck.
HockeyDad Offline
#105 Posted: Thu, Dec 22 2011, 7:55 PM EST
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FuzzNJ wrote:
Don't know what to say here. HD agrees with me. F*ck.




No, you agree with me. Learn your place.
FuzzNJ Offline
#106 Posted: Thu, Dec 22 2011, 7:59 PM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
No, you agree with me. Learn your place.


/cry
Why can't I get anything right.

Your kids must be f*cked up if that's the attitude you have in real life. Hockey/Dad/goalie/mask/Jason!

5 degress of HD!
HockeyDad Offline
#107 Posted: Thu, Dec 22 2011, 8:03 PM EST
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Stop crying, Nancy boy.

Pick yourself up by your bootstraps and get a job doing something like pressing hockey pucks. They're kept frozen....that will get you 5 degrees of HockeyDad!
FuzzNJ Offline
#108 Posted: Thu, Dec 22 2011, 8:11 PM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
Stop crying, Nancy boy.

Pick yourself up by your bootstraps and get a job doing something like pressing hockey pucks. They're kept frozen....that will get you 5 degrees of HockeyDad!


It's my thread(y) and I can cry if I want to.
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#109 Posted: Sun, Dec 25 2011, 12:22 PM EST
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Well, it appears Boehner blinked, Bama got his pre vacation wish.......see ya' in two months when the whole painfull process starts all over again. Bama's Politbureau will be hard at work in the mean time with utmost prejudice. Gonz
FuzzNJ Offline
#110 Posted: Sun, Dec 25 2011, 12:40 PM EST
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MCAddict wrote:
Well, it appears Boehner blinked, Bama got his pre vacation wish.......see ya' in two months when the whole painfull process starts all over again. Bama's Politbureau will be hard at work in the mean time with utmost prejudice. Gonz


Obama Politbureau? You do realize that Obama wanted a year long deal, but had to comprimise to just get the bill passed. The two month deal was the Republican's idea and all was fine until the House tried to play politics with it hoping Obama would go to Hawaii before the bill was passed so they could say 'look, we're working and Obama is on vacation', and it back-fired.
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#111 Posted: Sun, Dec 25 2011, 1:08 PM EST
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I thought the REPs wanted the same thing basically. Canadian oil deal as a rider? So much for jobs. Yes, politbureau and your part of it. Feel proud. Gonz
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#112 Posted: Sun, Dec 25 2011, 1:23 PM EST
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MCAddict wrote:
I thought the REPs wanted the same thing basically. Canadian oil deal as a rider? So much for jobs. Yes, politbureau and your part of it. Feel proud. Gonz


They wanted that and didn't want the tax cuts paid for by raising a tax on the wealthy. These two issues prevented a one year deal so they said how about 2 months just to make sure we get it through and deal with those later. The Dems said fine, then the house republicans rebelled and Boehner tried to make it look like it was Obama's fault.
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#113 Posted: Sun, Dec 25 2011, 2:16 PM EST
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Me thinks the Republicans have less control of the House than they thought- and a good few who can't be counted on to simply follow the party line all the time We also have some young/new Congressmen and Tea Partiers thinking and doing things on their and voting their consciences. they are going to need to be catered to in the Senate as a faction with some degree of de facto legislative veto power. Seems like there is a crack in the Republican Congressional block that one could drive a wedge through right now.

Perhaps this is how third parties may develop and we move towards coalition-type legislation system. If so, I think that the mainstream R' are going to have to run towards the middle hard and fast, before Gingrich, the Tea Party any relatively strong independent Presidential candidate really hurts them- and Romney would seem to be "their man."

Putting this off for two more months is a joke. It will likely end just like the Bipartisan Deficit Reduction Committee- a waste of time. It's a shame, all the way around, but Boehner and the mainstream R's have some "egg their face" for now. And, they have no one to blame, but themselves.
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#114 Posted: Sun, Dec 25 2011, 2:21 PM EST
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Isn't it time we stop this b.s rider-fueled legislation?

Just like ballots that voters use, Bills should have a single subject rule that is strictly enforced. It will cut out waste and will help with budgeting and finance.
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#115 Posted: Sun, Dec 25 2011, 3:03 PM EST
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I'll think I'll buy a box of somethin' with my $80. Or a tank of gas. Gonz
rfenst Offline
#116 Posted: Sun, Dec 25 2011, 4:02 PM EST
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MCAddict wrote:
I'll think I'll buy a box of somethin' with my $80. Or a tank of gas. Gonz


A little stimulus can't hurt here since it isn't enough to cause inflation. If succesful, it could increase taax revenue. Anyone know where we are on "the Laffer Curve"?
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#117 Posted: Thu, Dec 29 2011, 11:49 AM EST
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how about the dems who voted down the republican proposal to extend it for a year? this endless polarizing of the parties will eventually result in a viable third party. both parties are wrong on this but republicans made an attempt for a real, lasting extension.
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#118 Posted: Thu, Dec 29 2011, 12:43 PM EST
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Papachristou wrote:
this endless polarizing of the parties will eventually result in a viable third party.


Let's hope so!

Libertarian Party platform: http://www.lp.org/platform
rfenst Offline
#119 Posted: Thu, Dec 29 2011, 12:53 PM EST
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Papachristou wrote:
how about the dems who voted down the republican proposal to extend it for a year? this endless polarizing of the parties will eventually result in a viable third party. both parties are wrong on this but republicans made an attempt for a real, lasting extension.


I think the Senate, which is a D majority, voted for one year and the House R majority split apart over related issues and other unrelated items attached to the bill. I am not happy to see it, but Boehner had some egg on his face on this one and Reid looked decent. Am I wrong?
HockeyDad Offline
#120 Posted: Thu, Dec 29 2011, 1:07 PM EST
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I think the Senate passed it with a bunch of tack on-provisions. The House wanted to pass it with a different bunch of tack-on provisions. In the end they ran out of time to pass the one year extension because the Senate and House couldn't agree on the tack-on items.

...and I still don't have my pipeline extension.
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