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DrafterX Offline
#51 Posted: Thu, Jan 12 2012, 3:03 PM EST
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FuzzNJ wrote:
I forgot about that one,




Shame on you Shame on you Shame on you
borndead1 Offline
#52 Posted: Thu, Jan 12 2012, 3:22 PM EST
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FuzzNJ wrote:
So, no country has ever had a 'pure' economic system. Europe isn't perfect socialism either even though it's not on the extreme sides like communism and capitalism. Your distinction is one without a difference. The closest we have on the planet to pure capitalism is Somolia, no centralized government, no regulations, no taxes etc. That place should be thriving if economic systems alone determined a country's success/failure.



Good lord....why is it that everyone who doesn't believe in free markets and small government use Somalia as an example of Libertarianism at work? Do you people all read the same blogs or something?

Libertarianism is not about having "no centralized government". What we believe in is a small centralized government with limited power and a limited role in economic and social issues.
FuzzNJ Offline
#53 Posted: Thu, Jan 12 2012, 3:57 PM EST
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borndead1 wrote:
Good lord....why is it that everyone who doesn't believe in free markets and small government use Somalia as an example of Libertarianism at work? Do you people all read the same blogs or something?

Libertarianism is not about having "no centralized government". What we believe in is a small centralized government with limited power and a limited role in economic and social issues.


Two questions. How do you think a more isolationist government would improve the economy? Just cutting spending is not gonna do it either, the economy needs to grow, not go into recession. And if socialism is a failure, communism a failure and capitalism is the best system, why does China own our ass? The standard response is we spent too much, but it happened in a capitalist system. If it were the best we shouldn't be having economic problems ever. Sure, cut more taxes for the 'job creators' and corporations, get rid of regulation and everything will get better. If that were true we're going in the opposite direction as all that has happened is all the money is flowing and staying at the top screwing the 99%. It would only get even worse and ruin what little of the republic we have left.

And Somalia is used because it is the best example of a place with no government regulations, no . . .all the rest. Could have said Sudan, Afghanistan.

Pure libertarianism doesn't exist and it's suppositions assume too many factors, like a corporation will 'do the right thing' based on conscience and reputation. You think that's working now? It's like Communism's assumption that there are no greedy bastards who want everything. We know that's not the case, just look at the leaders of these countries.
HockeyDad Offline
#54 Posted: Thu, Jan 12 2012, 4:01 PM EST
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I think we can all agree that President Obama has already clinched his re-election.

Four more years!
teedubbya Offline
#55 Posted: Thu, Jan 12 2012, 5:08 PM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
I think we can all agree that President Obama has already clinched his re-election.

Four more years!


I know it's just symantics but I think it would be more accurate to say the Republicans have already clinched Obamas re-election for him.

Or as my neighbor Dat Nguyn (or however he spells it) said the other night "I just can't wait for the erection to be over"
HockeyDad Offline
#56 Posted: Thu, Jan 12 2012, 5:10 PM EST
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Friend --

When you become president, one thing that happens overnight is that you and everyone you love get a bunch of new nicknames.

I was already pretty used to this. But "FLOTUS," short for First Lady of the United States, is really something else.

I'm writing because our FLOTUS, Michelle, turns 48 on Tuesday, and I know I'm not her only fan out there.

Will you join me in wishing her a happy birthday?

The decision to become part of this campaign was deeply personal for a lot of people, and Michelle and I are no exception. But we both knew, like anyone else who believes in what we're trying to do here, that this was never going to be easy.

This fall, Michelle and I will have been married 20 years. The next 10 months will be harder than any we've experienced together, and I couldn't do it without her. I know she'd love to hear from you today:

http://my.barackobama.com/For-Michelle

Thanks for your support,

Barack
wheelrite Offline
#57 Posted: Thu, Jan 12 2012, 5:20 PM EST
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definition of a RP enthusiast/sycophant

syc·o·phant   
noun
a self-seeking, servile flatterer; fawning parasite.



Synonyms
toady, yes man, flunky, fawner, flatterer.
HockeyDad Offline
#58 Posted: Thu, Jan 12 2012, 5:37 PM EST
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qv7k2_lc0M
teedubbya Offline
#59 Posted: Thu, Jan 12 2012, 6:10 PM EST
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he is the only one. just read all his books until you understand
FuzzNJ Offline
#60 Posted: Thu, Jan 12 2012, 6:14 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
he is the only one. just read all his books until you understand


Sounds kinda messianic.
teedubbya Offline
#61 Posted: Thu, Jan 12 2012, 6:18 PM EST
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FuzzNJ wrote:
Sounds kinda messianic.


is that the secret floor with all the food for preferred members?
borndead1 Offline
#62 Posted: Thu, Jan 12 2012, 7:37 PM EST
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FuzzNJ wrote:
Two questions. How do you think a more isolationist government would improve the economy? -- Define 'isolationist'. Just cutting spending is not gonna do it either, the economy needs to grow, not go into recession. -- First, we're already in recession and have been for a while. Second, the economy grows when PEOPLE spend money HERE. The economy doesn't grow when government taxes the people and spends their money in Iraq, Afghanistan, and 100 other countries. And if socialism is a failure, communism a failure and capitalism is the best system, why does China own our ass? The standard response is we spent too much, but it happened in a capitalist system. -- If you honestly believe we practice Capitalism in this country, you are seriously delusional. Under true Capitalism, there would be a minimal national debt, if any at all. The bailouts wouldn't have happened. We wouldn't have military bases in 100+ countries. Solyndra wouldn't have happened. We wouldn't have to borrow money from China. Look up the definition of 'Corporatism'. THAT'S what we practice here. If it were the best we shouldn't be having economic problems ever. Sure, cut more taxes for the 'job creators' and corporations, get rid of regulation and everything will get better. If that were true we're going in the opposite direction as all that has happened is all the money is flowing and staying at the top screwing the 99%. It would only get even worse and ruin what little of the republic we have left. -- Again, look up 'Corporatism', AKA 'crony capitalism'. Our problems have been caused by government intervention, not by a lack of intervention . Who was screwed by TARP? The 99% or the 1%?

And Somalia is used because it is the best example of a place with no government regulations, no . . .all the rest. -- No. Somalia is used relentlessly by the pro-big government crowd. That's why I asked if you all read the same blogs. It was sarcasm.

Pure libertarianism doesn't exist and it's suppositions assume too many factors, like a corporation will 'do the right thing' based on conscience and reputation. -- Not conscience. Reputation, yes, and also pressure from consumers. I'm not saying that if we switch the button to Libertarianism that everything would magically be OK. It takes effort. People have to be informed, conscientious consumers. It's up to US to regulate the market. US...as consumers, workers. Imagine if there was an "Occupy Wal Mart" movement. Do you think they might start treating their workers better? I do. You and too many others trust government to "keep them in line". How's THAT working for us? You think that's working now? It's like Communism's assumption that there are no greedy bastards who want everything. We know that's not the case, just look at the leaders of these countries.
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#63 Posted: Thu, Jan 12 2012, 8:41 PM EST
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Ron Paul comes off like a kook with some good ideas that will never work in a country that is based on greed. His staunch supporters play the victim card. I like most of his ideas, his direction, but he is too extreme. Can we just get a true fiscal conservative, socially moderite liberal candidate. WTF. I hate the republican candidates. Romney will probably be the one. About 19% better than Obama.

Fuzz is still an idiot. I really don't understand why you continue to engage with him. It's sad.

Lets smoke.

I only read until post 30 or so. I do disagree with the thread title. He is not a menace, but he is not anyone I want representing this country to the world.
fishinguitarman Offline
#64 Posted: Thu, Jan 12 2012, 8:45 PM EST
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FuzzNJ wrote:
I forgot about that one, who has the hottest wife. That's an important thing for the country, whether or not the first lady is f*ckable.






So it's a given....YOU'RE voting for Obummer!
Stinkdyr Offline
#65 Posted: Tue, Jan 17 2012, 9:47 AM EST
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
......

You're akin to a beached whale. Can't swim anymore...stinks up the place and offers nothing in return.




...well, food for seagulls.

Think
teedubbya Offline
#66 Posted: Tue, Jan 17 2012, 1:04 PM EST
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ever seen th evideo of that one that blew up? It remeinded me of what would happen if Oprah visited a canned ham factory.

dayum i done be edumacated and a gud spellah
HockeyDad Offline
#67 Posted: Tue, Jan 17 2012, 1:15 PM EST
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Ron Paul is serving as a distraction from the glory and greatness that is Mitt Romney.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#68 Posted: Tue, Jan 17 2012, 3:12 PM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
Ron Paul is serving as a distraction from the glory and greatness that is Mitt Romney.



No, that's Mitten's hairstyle..silly!Applause
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