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Tea Party vs. Occupiers
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#101 Posted:
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Brewha wrote:
Cool your jets DMV.

There, now tell me; are you really a doctor? I mean, I get the mad-vibe part.



You don't get a damn thing. You're a lazy clueless liberal parrot.
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#102 Posted:
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
You don't get a damn thing. You're a lazy clueless liberal parrot.


OK – He doesn’t like me.
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#103 Posted:
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Come on folks, take it easy on Brewha. You can tell by his posts that brewha is not only his moniker, but a way of life. And you've got to admit, he's a whole lot easier to take then the Cookie Baker.
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#104 Posted:
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Don’t hate me because I’m beautiful . . . .


Thx DP. Kind of you it is.
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#105 Posted:
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dpnewell wrote:
Oh, and of course there was trash thrown everywhere. Commenting on the trash, another interviewee stated that all the trash thrown around should be expected as "Democracy is messy". Let me rephrase my question. Do these folks have even a quarter of a brain?


"Freedom's untidy" "Stuff happens" Donald Rumsfeld.
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#106 Posted:
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dpnewell wrote:
Come on folks, take it easy on Brewha. You can tell by his posts that brewha is not only his moniker, but a way of life. And you've got to admit, he's a whole lot easier to take then the Cookie Baker.


Awwww, go eat some shrimp you stalker.
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#107 Posted:
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dpnewell wrote:
Come on folks, take it easy on Brewha. You can tell by his posts that brewha is not only his moniker, but a way of life. And you've got to admit, he's a whole lot easier to take then the Cookie Baker.



Yeah, but Snickerdoodles is comedic gold...this clown isn't. Besides...it's like Christmastime when Snickerdoodles and Co. posts. He charges in with guns a blazin' disregarding the truth or facts...why if it wasn't for the notion of watching everyone standing around his computer screen while he frantically types his replies...that image...well, then it just wouldn't be that much fun yanking the rug out from under him. Carrying the water for Team Obama, supporting the craziest of causes and being the absolute gospel on daytime tv...makes this corporate warrior look like amateur hour at the lib loony bin. Jeez, even give me a slice of CBC and the woes and tribulations of a US taxpayer bailed out too big to fail Johnny On The Spot reporter! Hell, I'll even take the senility stylings of our West Coast grandpa when he's on his game...this one? He's not ready for primetime. He's not ready anytime. Not even funny...even when he tries hard to be.

Pity comes to mind. Stupid should hurt. Even a stopped clock is right twice a day. That's 2 times more than this guy has been in his time here on the board.
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#108 Posted:
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Brewha wrote:
Cool your jets DMV.
There, now tell me; are you really a doctor? I mean, I get the mad-vibe part.

DrMaddVibe wrote:
You don't get a damn thing. You're a lazy clueless liberal parrot.


Brewha wrote:
OK – He doesn’t like me.





ROTFLMAO! I practically emptied my sinuses on the keyboard laughing at this & other frank exchanges.Applause Applause Applause
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#109 Posted:
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
Yeah, but Snickerdoodles is comedic gold...this clown isn't. Besides...it's like Christmastime when Snickerdoodles and Co. posts. He charges in with guns a blazin' disregarding the truth or facts...why if it wasn't for the notion of watching everyone standing around his computer screen while he frantically types his replies...that image...well, then it just wouldn't be that much fun yanking the rug out from under him. Carrying the water for Team Obama, supporting the craziest of causes and being the absolute gospel on daytime tv...makes this corporate warrior look like amateur hour at the lib loony bin. Jeez, even give me a slice of CBC and the woes and tribulations of a US taxpayer bailed out too big to fail Johnny On The Spot reporter! Hell, I'll even take they senility stylings of our West Coast grandpa when he's on his game...this one? He's not ready for primetime. He's not ready anytime. Not even funny...even when he tries hard to be.

Pity comes to mind. Stupid should hurt. Even a stopped clock is right twice a day. That's 2 times more than this guy has been in his time here on the board.


You have got one active imagination. Ever try writing fiction?
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#110 Posted:
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FuzzNJ wrote:
You have got one active imagination. Ever try writing fiction?



Sorry Snickerdoodles...YOU were the one that said you had your family standing around YOU while you were busy typing replies here.

Like I said...charges in with guns a blazin' disregarding the truth or facts.
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#111 Posted:
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bloody spaniard wrote:
ROTFLMAO! I practically emptied my sinuses on the keyboard laughing at this & other frank exchanges.Applause Applause Applause



You know there's a 2 drink minimum...right?
bloody spaniard Offline
#112 Posted:
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
You know there's a 2 drink minimum...right?


LMAO!@ sorry Snickerdoodles...
Doc, I'd drink moonshine from a boot for this kind of entertainment.
Herfing
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#113 Posted:
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bloody spaniard wrote:
LMAO! Doc, I'd drink moonshine from a boot for this kind of entertainment.
Herfing



See, this is why I won't do two shows a day.

I just won't do it.
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#114 Posted:
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
Sorry Snickerdoodles...YOU were the one that said you had your family standing around YOU while you were busy typing replies here.

Like I said...charges in with guns a blazin' disregarding the truth or facts.


Pretty sure you are misrepresenting what I actually wrote. I believe I said that I have had some people read some of the responses here about how you and people like you characterize me, like you have here, and they've laughed. But yes, I'm the one misrepresenting myself.
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#115 Posted:
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
See, this is why I won't do two shows a day.

I just won't do it.


Besides, the zoo closes at 4:00 . . . .
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#116 Posted:
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FuzzNJ wrote:
Pretty sure you are misrepresenting what I actually wrote. I believe I said that I have had some people read some of the responses here about how you and people like you characterize me, like you have here, and they've laughed. But yes, I'm the one misrepresenting myself.



Bang bang.

Frying pan Frying pan Frying pan
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#117 Posted:
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Brewha wrote:
Besides, the zoo closes at 4:00 . . . .



and the moon is in Jupiter.
Brewha Offline
#118 Posted:
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
and the moon is in Jupiter.


Another intellectual cannon ball.

Very cute astral boy . . . Will you now circle Uranus in search of Klingons?
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#119 Posted:
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Brewha wrote:
Another intellectual cannon ball.

Very cute astral boy . . . Will you now circle Uranus in search of Klingons?



Figures.

You trolling for buttsex on a cigar forum.

Don't you have some rally where you can mimic the guy with the bullhorn or sofa to look for your change?

Don't worry Rainman...jello will be provided in the dayroom.
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#120 Posted:
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no jello for X...... Sad
Brewha Offline
#121 Posted:
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DrafterX wrote:
no jello for X...... Sad

Poor X . . . .

You know at 4:00 Wapner is on.

Right after the zoo closes . . . . .
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#122 Posted:
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WHO WILL BE THE FIRST POLICE OFFICER TO MISTAKENLY
FIRE A BULLET INTO A CROWD
DrMaddVibe Offline
#123 Posted:
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RICKAMAVEN wrote:
WHO WILL BE THE FIRST POLICE OFFICER TO MISTAKENLY
FIRE A BULLET INTO A CROWD



I don't really think it will be a mistake. They're calling for violence now in their protests.
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#124 Posted:
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RICKAMAVEN wrote:
WHO WILL BE THE FIRST POLICE OFFICER TO MISTAKENLY
FIRE A BULLET INTO A CROWD




can you give us this question again as multiple choice..?? Huh
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#125 Posted:
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I would like to buy a vowel . . . .
FuzzNJ Offline
#126 Posted:
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
Actually Soros was a Nazi too...ratted on others so he could make his billions. So there's more than ONE difference...but I digress...the Koch Brothers also have NEVER co-opted the destruction of a nation's economy either so they've got that as well.



Soros was not a Nazi, that's a pathetic lie. He was a kid and a Jew under Nazi rule who, if found, would have been killed. His father hid him with a 'proper Arian family' so he would have a better chance to survive and the father in that family worked for the government.

The Koch brothers have, however, done business with Iran, you know, one of the 'axis of evil' and a state sponsor or terror?

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-10-02/koch-brothers-flout-law-getting-richer-with-secret-iran-sales.html

 
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#127 Posted:
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FuzzNJ wrote:
Soros was not a Nazi, that's a pathetic lie.



Not talking Shame on you

You'd better check yourself...AGAIN!

Would you like to hear it from his OWN mouth?

BANG BANG

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#128 Posted:
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
Not talking Shame on you

You'd better check yourself...AGAIN!

Would you like to hear it from his OWN mouth?

BANG BANG



Yes.
Brewha Offline
#129 Posted:
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Whatever you can say about Soros, Rupert Murdoch and his propaganda machines are the real plague.

And I hear he does not brush his teeth, either . . . . .
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#130 Posted:
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ZRX1200 wrote:
The only difference between the Koch bros and G. Soros is he hates america and makes them look like paupers.


No. The Koch's are 3 and 4 on the list. Soros is 7. Together the Koch's are worth 50b+/25b each. Soros is worth 22b.
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#131 Posted:
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FuzzNJ wrote:
Yes.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZ2U6Rl98PM


Yes, who doesn't like colaborating with something like the German Nazi Party to get one's happy factor off the charts?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MY4EKky44Q0

Suck up to the guy that funds the Kenyan King! The great Soros the anti-Semite!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98fUyrzDyek


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYTx65A8bFA
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#132 Posted:
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http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2011/10/07/do-occupy-wall-street-protests-represent-your-views-economy/

Maybe. I am not even sure what they want. 2.38% (5,904 votes)

No. They have no idea how jobs are created or how a free-enterprise system works. 30.75% (76,124 votes)

Yes. These folks are right about corporate greed and what's happening to the little guy. 66.11% (163,683 votes)

Strange, and a Fox poll too.
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#133 Posted:
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FuzzNJ wrote:
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2011/10/07/do-occupy-wall-street-protests-represent-your-views-economy/

Maybe. I am not even sure what they want. 2.38% (5,904 votes)

No. They have no idea how jobs are created or how a free-enterprise system works. 30.75% (76,124 votes)

Yes. These folks are right about corporate greed and what's happening to the little guy. 66.11% (163,683 votes)

Strange, and a Fox poll too.



Believe what you want. Polls are manipulation tools and nothing more.

Funny, you clicking on FoxNews.

I bet you need a shower now.
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#134 Posted:
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZ2U6Rl98PM


Yes, who doesn't like colaborating with something like the German Nazi Party to get one's happy factor off the charts?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MY4EKky44Q0

Suck up to the guy that funds the Kenyan King! The great Soros the anti-Semite!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98fUyrzDyek


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYTx65A8bFA


You said you would provide proof by showing me where Soros said he was a Nazi who ratted out people so he could make his billions.

Neither video showed that. And the second one, Larouche? Are you freakin' kidding me?

You can not provide this proof because this did not happen. You are a liar.

As biographer Michael Kaufman wrote in Soros: The Life and Times of a Messianic Billionaire (page 37):

This is what actually happened. Shortly after George went to live with Baumbach, the man was assigned to take inventory on the vast estate of Mor Kornfeld, an extremely wealthy aristocrat of Jewish origin. The Kornfeld family had the wealth, wisdom, and connections to be able to leave some of its belongings behind in exchange for permission to make their way to Lisbon. Baumbach was ordered to go to the Kornfeld estate and inventory the artworks, furnishings, and other property. Rather than leave his "godson" behind in Budapest for three days, he took the boy with him. As Baumbach itemized the material, George walked around the grounds and spent time with Kornfeld's staff. It was his first visit to such a mansion, and the first time he rode a horse. He collaborated with no one and he paid attention to what he understood to be his primary responsibility: making sure that no one doubted that he was Sandor Kiss.
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#135 Posted:
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FuzzNJ wrote:
You can not provide this proof because this did not happen. You are a liar.



What are you going to believe...words coming out of his own mouth or someone bought and paid for to tell his life story?

You made your mind up.

Whatever.

You looked at the headlines and stopped the player. You didn't even listen to what Soros said from his own mouth. You call me a "liar" but you've shown the entire board what a close-minded little weasel you really are.
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#136 Posted:
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
What are you going to believe...words coming out of his own mouth or someone bought and paid for to tell his life story?

You made your mind up.

Whatever.

You looked at the headlines and stopped the player. You didn't even listen to what Soros said from his own mouth. You call me a "liar" but you've shown the entire board what a close-minded little weasel you really are.


He did not say what you are saying he said. YOU are a liar. The text superimposed over the video says something like that, but he is not saying what you are saying or what the text is saying. He was 14 years old. How the f*ck did he make his billions then? How the f*ck was he an actual Nazi? He is a liberal, a very rich liberal, who uses his money for liberal causes. It is because of this that these things are distorted and lied about, and you are falling for it.

I did stop the player on the Larouche one, you bet. Nut case. The video started out by saying he was an economic terrorist trained by the bank of england. Seriously? I don't need to sit through 17 minutes of that to know it's a bunch of sh*t.
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Joseph Stiglitz:
Before talking about economics, I want to say something about democracy. In July, I was in Spain, talking to the “indignados” there, the protesters. There, I could use a bullhorn. I didn’t have to go through this echo chamber. I realize the pedagogy of having you repeat what I say is very valuable, but it makes the whole process much longer. The fact that you are not allowed to use a megaphone on a Sunday is outrageous! We have too many regulations stopping democracy and not enough regulations stopping Wall Street from misbehaving. You should have the right peacefully and demonstrate your views and not be arrested and not be sprayed with pepper spray.

So now I want to talk a little bit about what I said in Spain, and then about the banks. The protests there are called the “indignados,” and I said, “You are right to be indignant.” The fact is, the system is not working right. It is not right that we have so many people without jobs when we have so many needs that we have to fulfill. It’s not right that we are throwing people out of their houses when we have so many homeless people.

Our financial markets have an important role to play. They’re supposed to allocate capital and manage risk, but they’ve misallocated capital and created risk. We are bearing the cost of their misdeeds. There’s a system where we’ve socialized losses and privatized gains. That’s not capitalism! That’s not a market economy. That’s a distorted economy, and if we continue with that, we won’t succeed in growing, and we won’t succeed in creating a just society.
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#138 Posted:
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FuzzNJ wrote:
Our financial markets have an important role to play. They’re supposed to allocate capital and manage risk, but they’ve misallocated capital and created risk. We are bearing the cost of their misdeeds. There’s a system where we’ve socialized losses and privatized gains. That’s not capitalism! That’s not a market economy. That’s a distorted economy, and if we continue with that, we won’t succeed in growing, and we won’t succeed in creating a just society.



You can thank the Clinton Administration and the morons at the Federal Reserve and the Treasury Department for that.

I posted a Frontline clip a few months ago...clearly defined how this ALL went down.

The people that get rewarded were compliant with the theft.

Yet, I'm the "liar"...yeah...riiight!
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#139 Posted:
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
You can thank the Clinton Administration and the morons at the Federal Reserve and the Treasury Department for that.

I posted a Frontline clip a few months ago...clearly defined how this ALL went down.

The people that get rewarded were compliant with the theft.

Yet, I'm the "liar"...yeah...riiight!


This is an easy one to correct for you. The Stiglitz quote and your Frontline quote have nothing to do and are not connected in any way to your lies about Soros.
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#140 Posted:
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
You can thank the Clinton Administration and the morons at the Federal Reserve and the Treasury Department for that.

I posted a Frontline clip a few months ago...clearly defined how this ALL went down.

The people that get rewarded were compliant with the theft.

Yet, I'm the "liar"...yeah...riiight!


I looked up the 'clip' you posted. It wasn't a 'clip' it was the entire episode.

Secondly, I've seen that episode, I will rewatch it. You can't blame just the Clinton administration, Greenspan was a Rand follower going back to the 50's and was a champion of the right for decades. Democrats like Clinton and Obama have and are following right wing economic policies, as that Frontline episode reveals. It favors less regulation and Wall Street. This started big under Reagan and continues to this day to the disadvantage of the 99%.

So you are actually agreeing with me and other liberals, you just won't admit it and rather just blame it on whatever Democrat you find when everyone in the Republican party with the exception of Paul and nearly everyone in the Democratic party are sucking at the same damn teat.
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#141 Posted:
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FuzzNJ wrote:
I looked up the 'clip' you posted. It wasn't a 'clip' it was the entire episode.

Secondly, I've seen that episode, I will rewatch it. You can't blame just the Clinton administration, Greenspan was a Rand follower going back to the 50's and was a champion of the right for decades. Democrats like Clinton and Obama have and are following right wing economic policies, as that Frontline episode reveals. It favors less regulation and Wall Street. This started big under Reagan and continues to this day to the disadvantage of the 99%.

So you are actually agreeing with me and other liberals, you just won't admit it and rather just blame it on whatever Democrat you find when everyone in the Republican party with the exception of Paul and nearly everyone in the Democratic party are sucking at the same damn teat.



Yeah, you "rewatch" it and get back with me.

Rand a "right winger"? Hardly.

The warning signs were rang and quickly ignored. They buried the evidence and were compliant in the cover-up.

They discredited a person for doing so. A person that should be given this nation's highest honor but instead who gets that? The thieves she tried to expose and the manner in which it was happening. Who was President then Snickerdoodles? Who? Treasury Secretary? Federal Reserve Chariman? Who?

Where in the world you think I'm agreeing with you I don't know. A stopped clock is right twice a day so it's not beyond the possibility of reason but not willingly. Keep on playing your alphabet soup game...the Us vs. Them...look where that's gotten this nation. They divide so you run to them for the answer. They're in on the same game fool! They want ALL the power. ALL the money. They don't care. The best you can do is vote for who would do the least amount of damage or take the lesser amount of your paycheck.

Where are the criminal charges for the fraud that was perpetuated on America? No where. Never will. Not in this lifetime!

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#142 Posted:
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FuzzNJ wrote:
This is an easy one to correct for you. The Stiglitz quote and your Frontline quote have nothing to do and are not connected in any way to your lies about Soros.



My "lies"? Hardly.

I was responding to the quote you put up there. If it had no bearing on Soros, then why did you put it there?
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#143 Posted:
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
Yeah, you "rewatch" it and get back with me.

Rand a "right winger"? Hardly.

The warning signs were rang and quickly ignored. They buried the evidence and were compliant in the cover-up.

They discredited a person for doing so. A person that should be given this nation's highest honor but instead who gets that? The thieves she tried to expose and the manner in which it was happening. Who was President then Snickerdoodles? Who? Treasury Secretary? Federal Reserve Chariman? Who?


Yes they did. I said that Clinton followed the same damn policies as those who preceded him. Greenspan was around since the Nixon administration, worked for Ford, then made Chairman of the Fed under Reagan in 87, through all of Bush Sr. Remained there all through Clinton, and half of Bush Jr. The person who should have been given the nation's highest honor is a LIBERAL. The person who was given the highest honor was Greenspan and Bush Jr. gave it to him.

You would classify Rand as what if not on the 'right'? Do you know of any liberal/progressive person who professes to admire her philosophy? Of course not. How about Tea Party people? There ya go. So stop being obtuse.

So reread what I wrote and rewatch the frontline episode as well. Might help.

DrMaddVibe wrote:


Where in the world you think I'm agreeing with you I don't know. A stopped clock is right twice a day so it's not beyond the possibility of reason but not willingly. Keep on playing your alphabet soup game...the Us vs. Them...look where that's gotten this nation. They divide so you run to them for the answer. They're in on the same game fool! They want ALL the power. ALL the money. They don't care. The best you can do is vote for who would do the least amount of damage or take the lesser amount of your paycheck.



Ok, in this paragraph you show your insanity. I said that Clinton and Obama are to blame, but not the only ones. Republican administrations are to blame as well. But you insist it is the Clinton administration that is to blame in post 138. But here you claim I am falling for "the Us vs. Them" routine.

That my friend shows your lack of intelligence, logic and reading comprehension.

We agree that our government has not done enough to protect the people who are not in the top 1% right? Not prosecuting illegal behavior, allowing illegal behavior, protecting those who perpetuate illegal behavior etc.

As far as less out of the paycheck, that's not enough. It won't address the problems we are facing with regard to these abuses.
DrMaddVibe wrote:

Where are the criminal charges for the fraud that was perpetuated on America? No where. Never will. Not in this lifetime!



And this is one of the major issues being protested by the OWS movement.
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#144 Posted:
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
My "lies"? Hardly.

I was responding to the quote you put up there. If it had no bearing on Soros, then why did you put it there?



Ok, now I have to think you are 'special'.

What you said about Stiglitz' quote:

"You can thank the Clinton Administration and the morons at the Federal Reserve and the Treasury Department for that.

I posted a Frontline clip a few months ago...clearly defined how this ALL went down.

The people that get rewarded were compliant with the theft.

Yet, I'm the "liar"...yeah...riiight!"

I called you a liar for what you said about Soros. You added the "Yet, I'm the "liar"...yeah...riiight!" as a response to the Stiglitz quote, which had nothing to do with the Soros conversation. So you would be the one who brought it in to this particular conversation, not me. Did I type slow enough for you?

And you have still not provided proof that Soros said he was a Nazi that turned people in to the Nazis to make his billions. It is because that is and always was a f*cking lie perpetuated by the 'Us vs Them' propagandists on the right, and you appear to be a member.
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Ok, reviewed the Frontline story again. As I remembered, a great piece. I watch Frontline regularly. The last episode was good too and was about the anthrax killer mailings, but there was so much the government lied about in that case and so much they screwed up I don't know what to believe, even from that Frontline story. They drove one guy to commit suicide, but that's another topic.

Back to the Frontline DMV brought up. Here is the transcript:

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/warning/etc/script.html

And it shows that I pretty much remembered it correctly and what I wrote about the situation here was spot on.

Here is some text from that show.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/warning/etc/script.html

Pres. GEORGE W. BUSH: Alan Greenspan is one of the most admired and influential economists in our nation's history.

NARRATOR: The nation's highest civilian honor was bestowed on the man many called "the wizard."

NARRATOR: Five presidents had watched Alan Greenspan work his magic. it started back in the Ford administration.

ROGER LOWENSTEIN, Author, When Genius Failed: Alan Greenspan was a financial consultant who was hired by Gerry Ford, first to be head of his Council of Economic Advisers in the '70s.

NARRATOR: Greenspan talked about Rand in his autobiography.

[Alan Greenspan, The Age of Turbulence: "Ayn Rand became a stabilizing force in my life. It hadn't taken long for us to have a meeting of the minds mostly my mind meeting hers."]

NARRATOR: Rand stood in the Oval Office as her star pupil was sworn in.

NARRATOR: And by the time Bill Clinton took the White House, the anti-government rhetoric had become so fashionable that even some Democrats embraced it.

DAVID WESSEL: Ronald Reagan had won. Government was seen as the problem. And even though Bill Clinton was someone who believed in government and wanted to use it, he was kind of forced into that Reaganesque ideology because that was what people wanted to hear.

NARRATOR: At the White House, and as Treasury secretary, Rubin found an unlikely ally. Clinton had asked Alan Greenspan to stay on.

TIMOTHY O'BRIEN: Bob Rubin and Alan Greenspan were very much in lockstep. They had very similar views on Wall Street. It boiled down to the less regulation, the better.

NARRATOR: And Rubin populated the Clinton administration with a network of free market true believers.

JOE NOCERA: It wasn't just Rubin and Greenspan who were these free market acolytes. That thinking pervaded the Treasury and the White House.

NARRATOR: Among Rubin's acolytes, 35-year-old Timothy Geithner and Rubin's top deputy, the outspoken Harvard economist Larry Summers.

ROGER LOWENSTEIN: Summers was tough. Summers is very blunt-spoken, doesn't suffer fools lightly, or anyone else, as the saying goes.

TIMOTHY O'BRIEN: Bob Rubin is not a guy who likes confrontation. He's confrontation-averse. But he understands that you need someone in there who can swing a heavy axe, and that person was Larry Summers. He was the enforcer.

NARRATOR: Together, Greenspan, Rubin and Summers formed their own pro-business, anti-regulation support group.

NARRATOR: And that's how Brooksley Born ended up running the obscure CFTC.

MICHAEL GREENBERGER: I think to some extent, you could view this as a consolation prize. To the general world, people who knew Brooksley, the circle she traveled, the American Bar Association, the DC Bar, all the prestigious boards she served on, people were probably scratching their heads.

NARRATOR: An experienced financial litigator who'd seen the worst of the markets, Born was a believer in government regulation. Given the political climate in Washington at the time, clashes with Greenspan, Rubin and Summers were inevitable. Almost right away, she had one. It began after she received an invitation to lunch at the Federal Reserve with the chairman himself.

MANUEL ROIG-FRANZIA: How could you not have a little bit of butterflies in your stomach when you're going to see Alan Greenspan at that moment in time?

NARRATOR: It didn't take long for Born to learn that she and the chairman were not going to see eye to eye.

JOE NOCERA: He said something to the effect that, "Well, Brooksley, we're never going to agree on fraud." And she said, "Well, what do you mean?" And he said, "`You probably think there should be rules against it." And she said, "Well, yes, I do." He said, you know, "I think the market will figure it out and take care of the fraudsters."

INTERVIEWER: The Alan Greenspan lunch did it actually happen? Where he says

BROOKSLEY BORN: I'm not going to talk about it. I'm not going to talk about it on camera.

NARRATOR: Born is reluctant to speak about her meetings with Greenspan or others in the Clinton administration. Greenspan refused to speak to FRONTLINE at all. But Born's advisers did.

MICHAEL GREENBERGER: Greenspan didn't believe that fraud was something that needed to be enforced, and he assumed she probably did. And of course, she did. I've never met a financial regulator who didn't feel that fraud was part of their mission.

MANUEL ROIG-FRANZIA: And this is an absolute stunner for the new head of this tiny agency who is charged with making sure people don't commit fraud.

NANCY DUFF CAMPBELL: Well, I think she was taken aback about how far he would go towards deregulation, that even the notion that we should police fraudulent activity he didn't think was something that was a given.

MICHAEL GREENBERGER: That was her introduction to Alan Greenspan.

NARRATOR: In 1993, Bankers Trust, one of the largest banks in the country at the time, had sold derivatives to Procter & Gamble.

JOE NOCERA: Procter & Gamble sued Bankers Trust, claiming that they had been sold products that they didn't really understand and that blew up in their face.

NARRATOR: The lawsuit set the stage for a stunning revelation. Bankers Trust employees took advantage of the fact that derivatives were too complicated to understand.

TIMOTHY O'BRIEN: It opened a window onto what was really going on in the derivatives market.

NARRATOR: As part of the case, Procter & Gamble discovered secret audiotape recordings of telephone calls among Bankers Trust brokers.

KELLY HOLLAND: There was one employee who described the business as a "wet dream." A Bankers Trust employee said, "We set them up."

TIMOTHY O'BRIEN: They had taped phone calls from people inside Bankers Trust who were sort of chuckling, saying, "Ha, ha, these idiots really think that this is in their best interests, but ha, ha, it's not. We're probably going to end up cleaning their clocks on these contracts."

NARRATOR: It had all happened in secret. Even this blatant scam might never have been discovered by the government.

BROOKSLEY BORN: The only way the CFTC found out about the Bankers Trust fraud was because Procter & Gamble and others filed suit.

NARRATOR: Looking inside Wall Street's black box was impossible for Born, or indeed any other government regulator.

TIMOTHY O'BRIEN: They're unregulated. The contracts aren't traded on exchanges. They're entered into between private parties.

BROOKSLEY BORN: There was no record-keeping requirement imposed on participants in the market. There was no reporting. We had no information.

NARRATOR: As the market grew and morphed, Born felt her agency would have to get involved, but that would mean confronting Greenspan, Rubin and Summers.

MICHAEL GREENBERGER: She used to say she would lay awake at night, turning in her bed, because she could see coming down the road, the crises kept building and building.

NEWSCASTER: Federal Reserve chairman Alan Greenspan told Congress today, the economy is the best he's ever seen.

NARRATOR: By spring of 1998, the idea of tougher regulation seemed out of step with all the good news.

NARRATOR: But at Treasury, things were about to change. The carefully calibrated inner tranquility was being disturbed by a small tremor. It quickly made its way up to Robert Rubin. Brooksley Born was contemplating the regulation of OTC derivatives.

JOE NOCERA: The pushback is visceral and immediate, and that's one of the striking things about this.

NARRATOR: This was a job for Larry Summers.

MICHAEL GREENBERGER: I walk into Brooksley's office one day, the blood has drained from her face. She's hanging up the telephone. She says to me, "That was Larry Summers."

RON SUSKIND: Larry basically reads her the riot act. He more or less tells her, my understanding, is that, "You don't get it."

MICHAEL GREENBERGER: He says, "You're going to cause the worst financial crisis since the end of World War II," that he has, my memory is, 13 bankers in his office who informed him of this. Stop right away. No more.

JOE NOCERA: What's amazing is that Rubin and Greenspan said, "No, no, no. You can't do that. We just can't have this." And it got pretty nasty pretty quickly.

NANCY DUFF CAMPBELL: Those on the other side were saying, "Look, this deregulated market is part of what's brought us the boom times. And so we don't we can't we don't want to change that. You know, the market will take care of everything. And we really don't need regulation of these, and in fact, it would be counterproductive."

MICHAEL GREENBERGER: Each of the principals in turn that is to say, Rubin, Greenspan and Levitt take their shot at telling Brooksley that she shouldn't do what she's doing.

JOE NOCERA: Rubin says to her, "You don't have the legal authority to do this."

MICHAEL GREENBERGER: And Brooksley said, "Well, that's interesting. That's the first time I've ever heard that. All my lawyers at the CFTC have assured me that we have the exclusive jurisdiction to do this."

ROGER LOWENSTEIN: Rubin was condescending toward her. He said he would get his lawyer in the department to help her understand the laws better, or something like that.

NARRATOR: SEC chairman Arthur Levitt had been personally lobbied to join the effort to shut Born down.

Sen. PHIL GRAMM (R), Texas (1975-'02): I see no evidence whatsoever to suggest that this is a troubled market, that fraud is rampant in this market.

LARRY SUMMERS, Dep. Treasury Secretary: The release has cast a shadow of regulatory uncertainty over a thriving market.

ARTHUR LEVITT: The CFTC's action has and will bring, I believe, significant disruption to this important global market.

ALAN GREENSPAN: Regulation that serves no useful purpose hinders the efficiency of markets to enlarge

JOE NOCERA: All the regulators there testifying, and you know, all of them say, "This is a bad idea. This is a bad idea. This is a bad idea. This is a bad idea.' Then she says, "This is a good idea," and the senators and congressmen just just, you know, beat her over the head.

Sen. PHIL GRAMM: I feel very strongly that we should not have one agency innovate in this area and in doing so create very substantial financial problems.

DAVID WESSEL: Ninety percent of the members of Congress couldn't have told you what a derivative was. So all they knew was that these guys on Wall Street, some of whom make big campaign contributions, many of whom seem very smart, say, "If we do this, it'll screw up the economy."

Rep. SPENCER BACHUS: My question again is what are you trying to protect?

BROOKSLEY BORN: We're trying to protect the money of the American public, which is at risk in these markets.

NARRATOR: That summer of 1998, Born testified four times before hostile congressional committees.

BROOKSLEY BORN: They were hearing from very respectable sources that there was no problem, and they chose to rely on those people. And I think that was understandable. I think it was unfortunate, but I think it was very understandable.

AND WHO HAD CONGRESS IN 1998? REPUBLICANS, BOTH HOUSES.

NARRATOR: Some in Congress began to clamor for regulation.

Rep. JIM LEACH: The United States government is obligated to be on top of the issues.

Rep. RICHARD BAKER (R), Louisiana: When and how did the concept of market self-regulation fail us?

Rep. BERNIE SANDERS (I), Vermont: Americans should be worried about the gambling of Wall Street elites.

Rep. PAUL KANJORSKI (D), Pennsylvania: That puts at risk every American. It puts at risk democracy.

Rep. MAURICE HINCHEY (D), New York: How many more failures do you think we'd have to have before some regulation in this area might be appropriate?

JOSEPH STIGLITZ, Sr. Clinton economic Adviser, 1993-'97: There was a strong sense that we ought to do something about these derivatives, that they really were posing a risk to our national economy and to the global economy.

NARRATOR: But Alan Greenspan had no intention of yielding.

ALAN GREENSPAN: [October 1, 1998] I know of no set of supervisory action we can take that would prevent people from making dumb mistakes. I know of no piece of legislation that can be passed by the Congress which would require us to prevent them from making dumb mistakes.

BROOKSLEY BORN: Congress was told that this was an anomaly, this was not indicative of dangers in the market.

ALAN GREENSPAN: I think it's very important for us not to introduce regulation for regulation's sake.

NARRATOR: In the end, Congress agreed with Alan Greenspan. There would be no new regulations of over-the-counter derivatives.

MICHAEL GREENBERGER: So now this is an unregulated market, no transparency, no capital reserve requirements, no prohibition on fraud, no prohibition on manipulation, no regulation of intermediaries. All the fundamental templates that we learned from the Great Depression are needed to have markets function smoothly are gone.

NARRATOR: But within the next few weeks, Congress did decide to do something about Brooksley Born. They stopped her entirely.

NARRATOR: With Born out of the way, the last two years of the Clinton administration were a heyday of deregulation. OTC derivatives were off limits. Banks were freed to make riskier
investments. Wall Street was largely left to regulate itself.

JOE NOCERA: Again and again during the Clinton administration, you see these examples of the top regulators basically saying, "The market knows better than us, and we're going to let the market do it."

CLINTON, WITH THE HELP OF A REPUBLICAN HOUSE AND SENATE, WITH THE SUPPORT OF GREENSPAN PASSED ALL SORTS OF DEREGULATION.

NARRATOR: By 2007, the OTC derivatives market had grown to $595 trillion. That's $595 trillion.

JOSEPH STIGLITZ: I think to understand the crisis, you have to understand that it had many, many factors that contributed to it. But it's absolutely clear to me that if we had restricted the derivatives, some of the major problems would have been avoided.

TIMOTHY O'BRIEN: Had Brooksley Born been enfranchised, had Brooksley Born been listened to, had Brooksley Born been made part of the process, would that have had a different ending for
what subsequently happened in the derivatives market? Certainly.

NARRATOR: In the aftermath, one former member of the working group has had a change of heart about Brooksley Born.

ARTHUR LEVITT: I've come to know her as one of the most capable, dedicated, intelligent and committed public servants that I have ever come to know. I wish I knew her better in Washington. I could have done much better. I could have made a difference.

NARRATOR: And the others? Robert Rubin left government to join top management at CitiBank. The taxpayers have pledged more than $100 billion to keep Citi afloat. Rubin's former deputies,
Larry Summers and Timothy Geithner, have become President Barack Obama's chief financial advisers.

Rep. HENRY WAXMAN (D), California: [October 23, 2008] You have been a staunch advocate for letting markets regulate themselves. And my question for you is simple. Were you wrong?

ALAN GREENSPAN: Yes. I found a flaw, but I've been very distressed by that fact.

Rep. HENRY WAXMAN: You found a flaw in the reality.

ALAN GREENSPAN: Flaw flaw in the model that I perceived is the critical functioning structure that defines how the world works, so to speak.

Rep. HENRY WAXMAN: In other words, you found that your view of the world, your ideology, was not right.

ALAN GREENSPAN: Precisely. No, that's precisely the reason I was shocked because I've been going for 40 years or more with very considerable evidence that it was working exceptionally well.

JOSEPH STIGLITZ: After almost two decades of public service, he realizes that the economic philosophy that he had pushed so hard, resisting regulation of derivatives he realized that there were some fundamental flaws in that whole philosophy.

JOE NOCERA: It was a pretty incredible moment that after a lifetime of faith in a certain way the world worked, that Greenspan would say, "I was wrong."

ROGER LOWENSTEIN: It struck me as someone admitting that the core belief that had animated, you know, basically, a 20-year, 18-year career as Fed chief was wrong. It's stunning, but it doesn't undo the damage.
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Another Day… Another Rape at an Obama-Endorsed #Occupy Camp


Stop the Killing! Stop the Raping!

England Gamble, 53, of New Haven, is the latest #occupier to be charged with rape.

The #Occupiers have put together quite an impressive record:

- 9 deaths, 5 found dead in tents, One found dead after 2 days
- 2 murders (Not counting the protester who strangled his parents and stuffed them in a car)
- Tens of millions of dollars in damages, layoffs, vandalism, law breaking
- Multiple Rapes
- Thousands of arrests
- Public masturbation
- Feces
- Child molestation and baby abuse

The #Occupy movement may be winding down but not the raping.
NBC Connecticut reported:

A member of the Occupy New Haven movement was raped in a tent at the Occupy camp late on Monday night or early Tuesday morning, police said.

Police said a woman went to find the victim on Tuesday afternoon because she had not seen her.

She went to the woman’s tent and called for her, but there was no answer, so she looked inside the tent and found the woman, police said.

The victim wasn’t able to respond, police said, so the witness yelled out to other Occupiers to call police and emergency medical services.

At some point, the victim told the witness she had been raped in a tent at the camp, police said.

Police responded to the camp at 3:25 p.m. The victim was brought to Yale-New Haven Hospital and police charged England Gamble, 53, of New Haven, with first-degree sexual assault and first-degree unlawful restraint.


http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/03/another-day-another-rape-at-an-obama-endorse-occupy-camp/



So...anyone STILL not see a difference between the 2? Anyone? Buehler?
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#147 Posted:
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Almost forgot...

http://www.denverpost.com/search/ci_20158879

Gotta add parasites to the list too!
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