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Gene363 Offline
#51 Posted: Mon, Oct 14 2013, 9:47 AM EST
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Taps86 wrote:
So we pick and chose then. 1 is more important then the other.


Obama did the picking, he allowed the a protest on the Mall and kept open other government facilities, while closing monuments that are not even closed on holidays or at night.
Buckwheat Offline
#52 Posted: Mon, Oct 14 2013, 9:50 AM EST
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Gene363 wrote:

In the big picture, yes, but the chain of command for the people closing the monuments goes right up to Obama.


Clearly we are at different ends in our opinions concerning the causes and remedies of the shutdown. All of the typing in world is not going to sway either of us from our opinions. I just see this event as a purely political undertaking of the politicians involved to score points and not to really open this monument for the vets. Those are my principles (and opinions), and if you don't like them... well, I have others. fog
HockeyDad Offline
#53 Posted: Mon, Oct 14 2013, 9:51 AM EST
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Gene363 wrote:

Obama did the picking, he allowed the a protest on the Mall and kept open other government facilities, while closing monuments that are not even closed on holidays or at night.



That is the real "rub" with the monuments closing. These places are open air monuments, unguarded, and open 24 hours a day. They had to go through effort to procure barricades, set them up, and then guard them to create the closing effect that was desired.

There is no doubt that this action falls in the "make it hurt" strategy from the President.

This whole affair is a reminder that the people work for the government, not the government works for the people.
HockeyDad Offline
#54 Posted: Mon, Oct 14 2013, 9:52 AM EST
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Buckwheat wrote:
Clearly we are at different ends in our opinions concerning the causes and remedies of the shutdown.



We all already know the remedy for the shutdown. Our children and grandchildren are screaming for more national debt.
TMCTLT Offline
#55 Posted: Mon, Oct 14 2013, 9:55 AM EST
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Buckwheat wrote:
Interesting statement when it is Congress that holds the purse strings to the government not Obama. And politics is the only thing that this government shutdown is about. Both sides will only be satisfied if they can claim some sort of "victory" in all of this mess. Until then all of america is being held hostage to our broken two party political system.



What " statement " are you referring to? Seems to me that was no less than a re- direct away from the subject at hand. And yes Congress holds the purse strings but if they're not " loose enough " with the funds then the media plays the ole political blame game. However don't mis understand me, come 2014 this voter will give nearly all of them their Pink slips....and I Do Not believe that's all the shutdown is about. I firmly believe that after reading the ACA completely it was discovered it's no more than another government abomination that would break us financially and lead to a
Another FAILEd Federal program....
Taps86 Offline
#56 Posted: Mon, Oct 14 2013, 10:05 AM EST
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Buckwheat wrote:
Clearly we are at different ends in our opinions concerning the causes and remedies of the shutdown. All of the typing in world is not going to sway either of us from our opinions. I just see this event as a purely political undertaking of the politicians involved to score points and not to really open this monument for the vets. Those are my principles (and opinions), and if you don't like them... well, I have others. fog



Applause Applause

How anyone doesn't see this is beyond me. These politician can give 2 chits about the military & vets. They are using them as pawns as last ditch effort.

TMCTLT Offline
#57 Posted: Mon, Oct 14 2013, 10:10 AM EST
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Taps86 wrote:
Applause Applause

How anyone doesn't see this is beyond me. These politician can give 2 chits about the military & vets. They are using them as pawns as last ditch effort.




If you think for one moment that THIS mans ( Obama ) politics are like anyone else's who came before him....
You are blind in one eye and seldom use the other....this guy is a major socialist. PERIOD.
Gene363 Offline
#58 Posted: Mon, Oct 14 2013, 10:11 AM EST
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Buckwheat wrote:
Clearly we are at different ends in our opinions concerning the causes and remedies of the shutdown. All of the typing in world is not going to sway either of us from our opinions. I just see this event as a purely political undertaking of the politicians involved to score points and not to really open this monument for the vets. Those are my principles (and opinions), and if you don't like them... well, I have others. fog


I can see your point if it's just the politicians showing up at the monuments, but it was Obama that built the stage for them.

For what it's worth, I don't like either party. IMO, they just two side of the DC of power hungry evil. To the extent I am able, I refuse to be the bitch boy for either party of their members.
HockeyDad Offline
#59 Posted: Mon, Oct 14 2013, 10:12 AM EST
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Taps86 wrote:
Applause Applause

How anyone doesn't see this is beyond me. These politician can give 2 chits about the military & vets. They are using them as pawns as last ditch effort.




Politicians love the military. That is why we keep finding them middle eastern countries for them to visit.
Taps86 Offline
#60 Posted: Mon, Oct 14 2013, 10:18 AM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
Politicians love the military. That is why we keep finding them middle eastern countries for them to visit.



Applause Applause Applause Applause
Rest my case
Gene363 Offline
#61 Posted: Mon, Oct 14 2013, 10:20 AM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
That is the real "rub" with the monuments closing. These places are open air monuments, unguarded, and open 24 hours a day. They had to go through effort to procure barricades, set them up, and then guard them to create the closing effect that was desired.

There is no doubt that this action falls in the "make it hurt" strategy from the President.

This whole affair is a reminder that the people work for the government, not the government works for the people.


Big sigh, so true. Brick wall Brick wall Brick wall

Meanwhile, the Obamatrons and lame-stream media give Obama a by and blame it all on the 'shutdown' and Congress, what a crock.
Taps86 Offline
#62 Posted: Mon, Oct 14 2013, 10:39 AM EST
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TMCTLT wrote:
If you think for one moment that THIS mans ( Obama ) politics are like anyone else's who came before him....
You are blind in one eye and seldom use the other....this guy is a major socialist. PERIOD.



So what was Reagan then....Who I think had some great ideas and had SOME of the worst ideas that we are still dealing with today. . To this day I have done more research and reading from Reagans presidency then any other.


Obama has transferred wealth from the rich to the poor, whereas Reagan transferred wealth from the poor and the middle class to the rich!!!!



One ting I do remember reading was how Reagan was so PROUD of his Income tax bill that would bring jobs.
Long story short, Reagan signed that law and reduced the income tax for the wealthiest Americans and corporations. What happened to those jobs he promised along with trimming of the budget deficit?

The deficit soared from a little over 2% to over 6%.We also experience the worst recession since the 1930.



So what did he do to try and fix it. Lets raise TAXES!!!

He proposed the biggest tax rise on payrolls, and promised to create a surplus in the Social Security system. (HOWS THAT SOCIAL SECURITY FUND TODAY?) Oh wait that was used to finance the deficit....
HockeyDad Offline
#63 Posted: Mon, Oct 14 2013, 11:24 AM EST
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Taps86 wrote:
Obama has transferred wealth from the rich to the poor



Actually if you check the numbers you'll find that is not true.

Scoreboard...rich.
Taps86 Offline
#64 Posted: Mon, Oct 14 2013, 12:13 PM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
Actually if you check the numbers you'll find that is not true.

Scoreboard...rich.



You're correct for the years of 09-11. I will find the article from Wall Street Journal last month that shows the rich-poor gap has come down 2% granted that is nothing near what it was before Reagan.
Abrignac Offline
#65 Posted: Mon, Oct 14 2013, 1:30 PM EST
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Taps86 wrote:
And last I checked both parties are using the VETS along with the military as PAWNS.



Pawns are those who will vote party line while blaming the opposition. Nothing, absolutely nothing happens in this country without collusion of BOTH, the Republicans and the Democrats.
Gene363 Offline
#66 Posted: Mon, Oct 14 2013, 1:32 PM EST
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Taps86 wrote:
...Obama has transferred wealth from the rich to the poor, whereas Reagan transferred wealth from the poor and the middle class to the rich!!!!...


Seriously? When business and the rich finance politicians you really think they are going to screw them over and take care of the poor? I suppose that sort of euphoria might explain why people keep sending the same azzhats to DC.

BTW, to a large degree the poor are the poor for a lot of reasons no politician can ever solve. As my stepfather used to say, "You could divide up all the wealth in equally among all people in the world and within a week there would be poor.
Gene363 Offline
#67 Posted: Mon, Oct 14 2013, 1:33 PM EST
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Abrignac wrote:
Pawns are those who will vote party line while blaming the opposition. Nothing, absolutely nothing happens in this country without collusion of BOTH, the Republicans and the Democrats.


Exactly.
Buckwheat Offline
#68 Posted: Mon, Oct 14 2013, 1:39 PM EST
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Gene363 wrote:

Seriously? When business and the rich finance politicians you really think they are going to screw them over and take care of the poor? I suppose that sort of euphoria might explain why people keep sending the same azzhats to DC.

BTW, to a large degree the poor are the poor for a lot of reasons no politician can ever solve. As my stepfather used to say, "You could divide up all the wealth in equally among all people in the world and within a week there would be poor.



+1

But you forgot that there would be the rich as well. The money has to go somewhere. Someone has to sell all of the stuff. And in the end the Chinese would get richer under their Socialist State. Looks like they've got something right.
Gene363 Offline
#69 Posted: Mon, Oct 14 2013, 1:59 PM EST
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Buckwheat wrote:
+1

But you forgot that there would be the rich as well. The money has to go somewhere. Someone has to sell all of the stuff. And in the end the Chinese would get richer under their Socialist State. Looks like they've got something right.


True, there would be a transfer of wealth. Hey, it's a service to 'hold' it for them. jester

As for China, they may be adapting the policies we used to bankrupt and break up the USSR on the USA. At the very least they are enabling our politicians and since the people in are DC too reactionary to be good chess players we are in peril.
DrafterX Offline
#70 Posted: Mon, Oct 14 2013, 2:02 PM EST
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I heard China cooks their books pretty well to make themselves look good.... they could crash anytime..... Mellow
Abrignac Offline
#71 Posted: Mon, Oct 14 2013, 2:05 PM EST
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Taps86 wrote:

Obama has transferred wealth from the rich to the poor, whereas Reagan transferred wealth from the poor and the middle class to the rich!!!!


You may be in a tad over your head.

IIRC, the bank bail outs transferred massive amounts of capital from the treasury, you and me, to Goldman Sachs, Chase, and a few others.

When and if Obamacare comes to be, it will be an insurance company Christmas that begins on January 1st and ends on December 31st, every year. Doesen't Bershire Hathaway have massive insurance company holdings? Isn't that Obama's Chief Financial Cheerleader Warren Buffet source of wealth?

In addition, let us not forget:
Brightsource
Solyndra
Johnson Controls
A123 Systems
Compact Power


There are examples on the other side as well. But, you said Obama took from the rich to give to the poor. I just wanted to level the field.
Gene363 Offline
#72 Posted: Mon, Oct 14 2013, 2:30 PM EST
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Abrignac wrote:
You may be in a tad over your head.

IIRC, the bank bail outs transferred massive amounts of capital from the treasury, you and me, to Goldman Sachs, Chase, and a few others.

When and if Obamacare comes to be, it will be an insurance company Christmas that begins on January 1st and ends on December 31st, every year. Doesen't Bershire Hathaway have massive insurance company holdings? Isn't that Obama's Chief Financial Cheerleader Warren Buffet source of wealth?

In addition, let us not forget:
Brightsource
Solyndra
Johnson Controls
A123 Systems
Compact Power


There are examples on the other side as well. But, you said Obama took from the rich to give to the poor. I just wanted to level the field.


Yes, and just to be fair, 'cause I don't like either party, it started with the Troubled Asset Relief Program (TARP) program of the United States government that purchased assets and equity from financial institutions to strengthen its financial sector. It was signed into law by U.S. President George W. Bush on October 3, 2008. It transferred taxpayer dollars to large corporations that pissed away their money on crap investments. BTW, it was anything but capitalism, if it were these bankrupt companies would have been closed.
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#73 Posted: Mon, Oct 14 2013, 3:09 PM EST
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Gene363 wrote:

Yes, and just to be fair, 'cause I don't like either party, it started with the Troubled Asset Relief Program (TARP) program of the United States government that purchased assets and equity from financial institutions to strengthen its financial sector. It was signed into law by U.S. President George W. Bush on October 3, 2008. It transferred taxpayer dollars to large corporations that pissed away their money on crap investments. BTW, it was anything but capitalism, if it were these bankrupt companies would have been closed.


Digression:
I stand corrected. You're not a pompous azz after all. You're on my list of people I would like to herf with. That is if you'll have me.

Back to task:
That is another example of corporate welfare. It seems WE hate most of both types; corporate and personal. Unfortunately, there are many more forms of welfare that need to be eliminated. For example, why should land owners be paid not to farm their land? Why should the rest of the country bail out Detroit? BTW, the city of Stockton has its hands out.

Should we be giving able bodied people EBT cards, phones etc. Doesn't that create a disincentive to find a job?

Why should we raise the minimum wage? Doesn't that reduce the buying power of the middle class which pushes the poverty threshold higher? Won't a person seek to improve his/her personal capital to find jobs that pay more if there is an incentive to do so?

Just some thoughts to ponder....
Gene363 Offline
#74 Posted: Mon, Oct 14 2013, 3:29 PM EST
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Abrignac wrote:
Digression:
I stand corrected. You're not a pompous azz after all. You're on my list of people I would like to herf with. That is if you'll have me.

Back to task:
That is another example of corporate welfare. It seems WE hate most of both types; corporate and personal. Unfortunately, there are many more forms of welfare that need to be eliminated. For example, why should land owners be paid not to farm their land? Why should the rest of the country bail out Detroit? BTW, the city of Stockton has its hands out.

Should we be giving able bodied people EBT cards, phones etc. Doesn't that create a disincentive to find a job?

Why should we raise the minimum wage? Doesn't that reduce the buying power of the middle class which pushes the poverty threshold higher? Won't a person seek to improve his/her personal capital to find jobs that pay more if there is an incentive to do so?

Just some thoughts to ponder....


No correction necessary, I can be a PITA and I am an admitted know it all. d'oh! Be glad to herf with you anytime. It wouldn't be much fun if we thought the same way.

I agree with you on corporate welfare too. From the local, e.g., our city leaders are hell bent on building a baseball stadium to the corporate bail outs. Just like welfare, they have the unintended effect of encouraging poor decisions and laziness.

Your points on welfare are right on the money. If you ever have any doubt, talk to an immigrants, both legal and illegal, they know the value of opportunity and hard work.
teedubbya Offline
#75 Posted: Mon, Oct 14 2013, 5:17 PM EST
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Today's McCarthy and caribou Barbie are working the cameras after McCarthy convinces Custer he can win this. It's great theater.

It reminds me os the Alamo which Texas has allowed to become the Wisconsin Dells. What a shame.
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#76 Posted: Mon, Oct 14 2013, 5:39 PM EST
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I think you can take pics of Dells though..


Are you sore?
teedubbya Offline
#77 Posted: Mon, Oct 14 2013, 5:45 PM EST
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Nope. Felling good. I'm still slow but did about 2 minutes faster than expected.
ZRX1200 Offline
#78 Posted: Mon, Oct 14 2013, 5:56 PM EST
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Cool
teedubbya Offline
#79 Posted: Mon, Oct 14 2013, 5:59 PM EST
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Nobody with a walker passed me.
Kidmd Offline
#80 Posted: Mon, Oct 14 2013, 6:13 PM EST
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rfenst wrote:
When can you "meet and great", neighbor? I work part-time, am very flexible and have some of the real good stuff, if you know what I mean... Corona at Sand Lake or Downtown? PM me!


I have weird schedule...rifght now I am lying in bed with a NASTY cold...not flu..but man it's kickin my butt....theraflu and good rum are working wonders...
Feeling better.... temporarily...
But yeah I would love to Jett up...never been to the downtown corona but the sandlike one is kook....like a kid in a VERY large candy store.


Beer
Kidmd Offline
#81 Posted: Mon, Oct 14 2013, 6:43 PM EST
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TMCTLT wrote:
If you think for one moment that THIS mans ( Obama ) politics are like anyone else's who came before him....
You are blind in one eye and seldom use the other....this guy is a major socialist. PERIOD.

You guys really need to watch the 2016:obama's America...it will open your eyes!!!!
rfenst Offline
#82 Posted: Mon, Oct 14 2013, 6:43 PM EST
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Buckwheat wrote:
Interesting statement when it is Congress that holds the purse strings to the government not Obama. And politics is the only thing that this government shutdown is about. Both sides will only be satisfied if they can claim some sort of "victory" in all of this mess. Until then all of america is being held hostage to our broken two party political system.


Best comment on this thread thus far.
ZRX1200 Offline
#83 Posted: Mon, Oct 14 2013, 6:48 PM EST
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Me asking teedubbya how his sperm donation went coubts for nothing?
dstieger Offline
#84 Posted: Mon, Oct 14 2013, 6:59 PM EST
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Tami and I had a great time there and she got some stellar photos. We got there early and she got shots of them cutting the wires on the gates; and we got to talk with Chris Cox (the South Carolina Lawn Mower Guy) -- he had a leaf blower and was cleaning up the WWII Memorial before the 'rally'. Got a couple minutes with Sarah and some of the other speakers, as well.
The event was ostensibly non-partisan, but there's no denying that the vast majority were very anti-Obama. The group that splintered off and went to the White House were not the brightest or most articulate bulbs in the bunch. The majority marched peacefully from WWII to the Lincoln Memorial - mostly to take the opportunity to remove some more barricades.
All in all, a pretty good experience.
Dave Stieger, USN (Ret.)
teedubbya Offline
#85 Posted: Mon, Oct 14 2013, 7:28 PM EST
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2016 Obama's America is right up there with Fahrenheit 911.

Great entertainment.


Not.
teedubbya Offline
#86 Posted: Mon, Oct 14 2013, 7:29 PM EST
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In related news all the birthers want to do is negotiate and compromise.
Gene363 Offline
#87 Posted: Mon, Oct 14 2013, 8:24 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
In related news all the birthers want to do is negotiate and compromise.


Entertaining indeed, like how some folks cling to partisan politics tighter than other folks cling to guns and Bibles. Frying pan
teedubbya Offline
#88 Posted: Mon, Oct 14 2013, 8:29 PM EST
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As I see it the two are not mutually exclusive.
Gene363 Offline
#89 Posted: Mon, Oct 14 2013, 8:42 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
As I see it the two are not mutually exclusive.


True, and not necessarily coupled.
teedubbya Offline
#90 Posted: Mon, Oct 14 2013, 8:59 PM EST
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Agreed.
wheelrite Offline
#91 Posted: Mon, Oct 14 2013, 9:06 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
In related news, I tapped feet at a public Men's Room at The Jefferson Memorial a few times..




oh my...
8trackdisco Offline
#92 Posted: Tue, Oct 15 2013, 5:16 AM EST
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Abrignac wrote:
WASHINGTON - Thousands of people converged on the World War II Memorial on the National Mall on Sunday morning and tore down the barricades blocking it off, protesting the closure of the memorial during the federal government shutdown.

Beginning at about 9:30 a.m., Sens. Mike Lee, R-Utah, and Ted Cruz, R-Texas, as well as former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, were among the luminaries in a crowd that chanted "Tear down these walls!" and sang "God Bless America" as well as other patriotic songs as they entered the memorial, which has been closed since the government shutdown that began Oct. 1.

Tractor-trailers headed down 17th Street toward the Mall, blaring their horns. The Metropolitan Police Department blocked off the street, prompting the crowd to head up the street, shouting at the police to move their vehicles.

Palin said that closing the memorials was disgraceful, and that President Obama "could be here today, saying 'Yes, we can tear down these barricades."

Cruz said that President Obama was using veterans as political pawns in the shutdown. Lee shouted, "The sons and daughters of the United States of America are meant to live in liberty."

By 11 a.m., the group had headed back to the memorial, and dozens congregated around World War II veterans, shaking their hands and thanking them for their service.

Later in the morning, veteran Mike Lauriente was accepting handshakes from demonstrators. He served in Sicily and French Morocco, and declared the memorial, which he was seeing for the first time, beautiful. "The spirit that I see here is overwhelming."

http://www.wtop.com/959/3479186/Crowd-storms-World-War-II-Memorial


So how many veterans showing up at the memorials before the government goes Tiananmen Square on them?

You don't need a massacre to start a revolution and civil war, but it helps.
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#93 Posted: Tue, Oct 15 2013, 9:28 AM EST
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We were watching TV
In Tiananmen Square
Lost my baby there
My yellow rose
In her bloodstained clothes
She was a short order pastry chef
In a Dim Sum dive on the Yangtze tideway
She had a shiny hair
She was a daughter of an engineer
Won't you shed a tear
For my yellow rose
My yellow rose
In her bloodstained clothes
She had a perfect breasts
She had high hopes
She had almond eyes
She had yellow thighs
She was a student of philosophy
Won't you grieve with me
For my yellow rose
Shed a tear
For her bloodstained clothes..... Whistle Whistle
Kidmd Offline
#94 Posted: Wed, Oct 16 2013, 3:21 AM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
2016 Obama's America is right up there with Fahrenheit 911.

Great entertainment.


Not.

I truly doubt you have seen this...if you have and you look at FACTS... Then you will will open your eyes and spit out the Kool aid.
It is not about Birthers....itis about truth....
Or you can continue to Bury your head and watch this great country go down the pooper.
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