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GhostTown Offline
#51 Posted:
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Brewha wrote:
My conviction is that each of us knows god in his own way.



And that is a grand way to be.
victor809 Offline
#52 Posted:
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tailgater wrote:
You seem to be confusing religion for faith.

And the "conviction" that your philosophers argued were likely speaking of long ago, when religious doctrine was considered fact, and when a religious schism could result in death or worse.

It may take courage to ADMIT to being an atheist.
But that's not the same as merely not believing in god.
Our friend Brewha believes that the simple act of "not believing" takes conviction.

As if the preponderance of zero hard facts could somehow compel a non-believer to require inner strength to remain steadfast in their non-belief.

Yes.
It's that ridiculous.


No, that's not necessarily true.
Look at it this way, if not believing in something with no facts to support it were the easy/default action, why is religion so predominant in humanity?

We, as humans, use religion as a crutch in so many ways in our daily lives. We use it to explain why bad things happen to us, or to provide comfort when facing the existential dread of simply doing the same horrible tasks for the rest of our short, brutish lives. You underestimate just how much it helps people to think that they are special... that somehow in the entire planet of animals, humans are more important because an omnipotent being said so, and that this being is watching them, like a parent at a 3rd grade recital.
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#53 Posted:
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tailgater wrote:

Nobody ever tells an atheist "prove there is no god".
You may hear someone quote scripture to "prove" a point, but a non-believer is never called to task to show evidence.



I'm pretty sure I've heard that argument before. It isn't a good one, but there is a sizable group of idiots in this world who believe one should be required to prove an absence.
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#54 Posted:
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and who's watching God..??? Think
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#55 Posted:
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DrafterX wrote:
and who's watching God..??? Think


god's mom and dad. This is his 3rd grade recital.
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#56 Posted:
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DrafterX wrote:
and who's watching God..??? Think



I figure she has an accounting dept or something for that.
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#57 Posted:
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Buckwheat wrote:
Yoda, you are? Seek advice you must. Yes, hmmmm.

Hmmmm, from the most unlikely sources, knowledge comes. Most unlikely of all, this source is . . . .
tailgater Offline
#58 Posted:
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Brewha wrote:
Actually I have seen many atheists present “evidence” against the existence god and gods. Their “evidence” is scientific. But it is a folly to use logic in the face of faith.


We've gone off track here. I've seen those nut-jobs as well. It's the exception to the rule.


Brewha wrote:

I understand now that you equate the word ‘conviction’ exclusively with faith in god.


I don't. But when I'm told that it "takes as much conviction to NOT believe? That's a contradiction.


My neighbor goes to a psychic to "talk" with her dad who passed a couple years ago.
If I were in the room, I'd see and hear nothing from her dad.
Would it therefore take "conviction" to believe he's not there communicating with her?



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#59 Posted:
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HockeyDad wrote:
I figure she has an accounting dept or something for that.



I dunno..... he prolly just mixes up gold and stuff as he needs it... there's no accounting for God... Mellow
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#60 Posted:
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victor809 wrote:
I'm pretty sure I've heard that argument before. It isn't a good one, but there is a sizable group of idiots in this world who believe one should be required to prove an absence.


I suppose there is.



GhostTown Offline
#61 Posted:
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tailgater wrote:

Would it therefore take "conviction" to believe he's not there communicating with her?


Semantics, IMO. But I will go on record as labeling that "common sense". Then push it into the pile of everything else that requires such an imagination.
tailgater Offline
#62 Posted:
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Buckwheat wrote:
TG,

Your statement/question could also be directed back to you.

"As if the preponderance of zero hard facts could somehow compel a believer to require inner strength to remain steadfast in their belief."

Is there anything any of us could say or do that would make you not remain steadfast in your beliefs?


I think you missed the irony.

I'm not saying anyone should abandon their beliefs.
I'm poking fun at the notion that a "preponderance of nothing" would require a real conviction to remain "steadfast to not believing".
It gibberish.
Like meatless bacon.


Brewha Offline
#63 Posted:
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tailgater wrote:
I don't. But when I'm told that it "takes as much conviction to NOT believe? That's a contradiction.


My neighbor goes to a psychic to "talk" with her dad who passed a couple years ago.
If I were in the room, I'd see and hear nothing from her dad.
Would it therefore take "conviction" to believe he's not there communicating with her?


I think the apparent contradiction comes from your point of view that there is a god and that we have faith in him or not.

A more accurate assessment would be that there is no real evidence on this. And we can choose to believe in a universe without a god, or one created by him.

I point out that many think it is incredible to believe that we are here from “natural causes”. Yet it is a belief . . . .
DrafterX Offline
#64 Posted:
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tailgater wrote:
Like meatless bacon.




Think
scrapple..?? Huh
bloody spaniard Offline
#65 Posted:
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DrafterX wrote:
Think
scapple..?? Huh

Thank you for remembering scapple, er, scrapple. You're my go to guy for that word.Wink
tailgater Offline
#66 Posted:
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Brewha wrote:
I think the apparent contradiction comes from your point of view that there is a god and that we have faith in him or not.

A more accurate assessment would be that there is no real evidence on this. And we can choose to believe in a universe without a god, or one created by him.

I point out that many think it is incredible to believe that we are here from “natural causes”. Yet it is a belief . . . .


I haven't the conviction to continue this discussion...





Brewha Offline
#67 Posted:
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DrafterX wrote:
I dunno..... he prolly just mixes up gold and stuff as he needs it... there's no accounting for God... Mellow

“Taste” – The phrase is; “there is no accounting for taste”.
Brewha Offline
#68 Posted:
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tailgater wrote:
I haven't the conviction to continue this discussion...

Let’s see, I can choose to believe you or be a non-believer who simply lacks the faith.



I believe I will have a beer . . . .


tailgater Offline
#69 Posted:
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Brewha wrote:




I believe I will have a beer . . . .




Kinda embarrassing that it took 68 posts to land on this.
Brewha Offline
#70 Posted:
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tailgater wrote:
Kinda embarrassing that it took 68 posts to land on this.

I call it destiny . . .
victor809 Offline
#71 Posted:
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Brewha wrote:
I call it destiny . . .


You're naming this thread after your favorite stripper?
Brewha Offline
#72 Posted:
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victor809 wrote:
You're naming this thread after your favorite stripper?

No, but Mercedes isn't working tonight . . . .
Confuzed Offline
#73 Posted:
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Well, this evolved..
tailgater Offline
#74 Posted:
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Confuzed wrote:
Well, this evolved..


Said with such conviction...
gryphonms Offline
#75 Posted:
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Confuzed:

What did end up happening? I cannot find it on the net and am curious.
Brewha Offline
#76 Posted:
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In the end, the light of truth and wisdom reached his mind’s eye.
And the iris snapped shut . . . .



Or did you mean the girl?
victor809 Offline
#77 Posted:
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Confuzed wrote:
Well, this evolved..


Depends on who you talk to.

some people might say it intelligently designed.


But we know that isn't true.
Confuzed Offline
#78 Posted:
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It was short-lived. There was a crowd of nearly 10k.. Westboro was smothered.. They came and went virtually unnoticed. The city banded together to snuff their efforts. I was there and it was a pretty amazing thing to witness.

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