America's #1 Online Cigar Auction
first, best, biggest!

Last post 10 years ago by tailgater. 76 replies replies.
2 Pages<12
R-S-P-E-C-T.....
tailgater Offline
#51 Posted:
Joined: 06-01-2000
Posts: 26,185
The Dan Quayle Potato/Potatoe debacle is one of the best indicators to determine how feeble a persons mind is and how easily they are swayed by the media.

The real life examples provide a wealth of data that is damn near irrefutable.

bloody spaniard Offline
#52 Posted:
Joined: 03-14-2003
Posts: 43,802
bloody spaniard wrote:
Note to self, add scompay to list of folks (mostly Victor and Abrinac) to never politically debate unless packing a derringer and 30mg's of zantac.Drool


tailgater wrote:
The Dan Quayle Potato/Potatoe debacle is one of the best indicators to determine how feeble a persons mind is and how easily they are swayed by the media.
The real life examples provide a wealth of data that is damn near irrefutable.

Think Mellow

Quickly adding Tailgater's name.
bloody spaniard Offline
#53 Posted:
Joined: 03-14-2003
Posts: 43,802
Btw, as one of the founding members of Friends of Dan Quayle (and his Olive Oyl looking wife), I fully understood your post & the unfair characterization.
He was actually bright. There was just something about the camera that seemed to freeze his brain.
scompay Offline
#54 Posted:
Joined: 04-17-2010
Posts: 1,721
bloody spaniard wrote:
Btw, as one of the founding members of Friends of Dan Quayle (and his Olive Oyl looking wife), I fully understood your post & the unfair characterization.
He was actually bright. There was just something about the camera that seemed to freeze his brain.


Sorry brother for not knowing DQ for any of his successes as you do. By that same scale, how could you blame me for citing a 2 term winning president who has had such public successes as thriving stock market.

Thanks to media, the right has been so galvanized that even if a good leftie was to come on the scene, he would be tarred. Ironically do you know what the result of that will be, that right itself can become the liberal without opposition because folks are so comfortably galvanized. Look at their picks, immigrants passing themselves as pilgrims of the constitution. Do you actually believe that.
scompay Offline
#55 Posted:
Joined: 04-17-2010
Posts: 1,721
Look prophet Eddie already predicted this spelling problem decades ago. See for yourself.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hK6J_zw29RY
tailgater Offline
#56 Posted:
Joined: 06-01-2000
Posts: 26,185
bloody spaniard wrote:
Think Mellow

Quickly adding Tailgater's name.


Take a deep breath.
Now hold it.

Sickamp;
bloody spaniard Offline
#57 Posted:
Joined: 03-14-2003
Posts: 43,802
^ Oh, no, you're not getting me to pass out again.

scompay wrote:
Sorry brother for not knowing DQ for any of his successes as you do. By that same scale, how could you blame me for citing a 2 term winning president who has had such public successes as thriving stock market.

Thanks to media, the right has been so galvanized that even if a good leftie was to come on the scene, he would be tarred. Ironically do you know what the result of that will be, that right itself can become the liberal without opposition because folks are so comfortably galvanized. Look at their picks, immigrants passing themselves as pilgrims of the constitution. Do you actually believe that.

Wait a minute, scompay, I said Quayle was bright but he wasn't all THAT either. LOL !! Just common sense smart for a politician and a very nice, sincere, family man.

True, most will galvanize especially after Obama's piss poor job but that's to be expected. Yep, the stock market has thrived under his reign but do you know anyone personally who's aggressively investing big bucks or pb&j money for that matter, these days? I don't. Perhaps some hedge fund folks... I think there's a lot of manipulation going on. Besides, wars have a way of stimulating sectors. Speaking of which, the military industrial complex has also thrived along with the underground illegal network and the swirl of government bennies surrounding it along with special interest contractors.

I think that a day of reckoning is coming for this incompetent President and his staff. Will it be set off by rising interest rates, higher unemployment, an unsustainable debt, more illegals...? I don't know.

I've never seen a worse economy for the small business owner. Never.
scompay Offline
#58 Posted:
Joined: 04-17-2010
Posts: 1,721
bloody spaniard wrote:
^ Oh, no, you're not getting me to pass out again.


Wait a minute, scompay, I said Quayle was bright but he wasn't all THAT either. LOL !! Just common sense smart for a politician and a very nice, sincere, family man.

True, most will galvanize especially after Obama's piss poor job but that's to be expected. Yep, the stock market has thrived under his reign but do you know anyone personally who's aggressively investing big bucks or pb&j money for that matter, these days? I don't. Perhaps some hedge fund folks... I think there's a lot of manipulation going on. Besides, wars have a way of stimulating sectors. Speaking of which, the military industrial complex has also thrived along with the underground illegal network and the swirl of government bennies surrounding it along with special interest contractors.

I think that a day of reckoning is coming for this incompetent President and his staff. Will it be set off by rising interest rates, higher unemployment, an unsustainable debt, more illegals...? I don't know.

I've never seen a worse economy for the small business owner. Never.


Hang on, you said lets both take a Quaalude and meet in the middle, did you keep your bargain.

Look how unreasonable we have become, its not ok to make fun of a one term vp that misspelled potato at a school, on a blackboard no less. And he presided over one of the biggest economic blunders- interest, inflation and unemployment was through the roof. It is somehow perfectly fine to make fun of a two-term Black President, who slips on a word, under his leadership, interest, inflation, and unemployment are nearly half that under Bush/Quayle.

Yeah yeah its all going to crash and there is doom impending- but that dog aint huntin nomore. Wall Street and main street have now figured it out after observing for 3 decades, the only time it all comes crashing down is when we put an ideologist in charge. They proved it by taking a black guy from cheecago, with no business experience and he has delivered everything the republicans promised, we have only had peacetime economic numbers this good once before and our auto industry is stronger than ever.
bloody spaniard Offline
#59 Posted:
Joined: 03-14-2003
Posts: 43,802
scompay wrote:
Hang on, you said lets both take a Quaalude and meet in the middle, did you keep your bargain.

Look how unreasonable we have become, its not ok to make fun of a one term vp that misspelled potato at a school, on a blackboard no less. And he presided over one of the biggest economic blunders- interest, inflation and unemployment was through the roof. It is somehow perfectly fine to make fun of a two-term Black President, who slips on a word, under his leadership, interest, inflation, and unemployment are nearly half that under Bush/Quayle.

Yeah yeah its all going to crash and there is doom impending- but that dog aint huntin nomore. Wall Street and main street have now figured it out after observing for 3 decades, the only time it all comes crashing down is when we put an ideologist in charge. They proved it by taking a black guy from cheecago, with no business experience and he has delivered everything the republicans promised, we have only had peacetime economic numbers this good once before and our auto industry is stronger than ever.

Antacid not quaalude. If it were a quaalude I would not care what anyone said. LOL

I don't remember the misery index under Bush Sr/Quayle being particularly bad. In fact, it can be argued that their policies gave Clinton an economic bump from the start.

I hope you're right, scompay. I've just seen everything in an ever- increasing, slow tailspin since 2001. Perhaps it IS a matter of perception but damn, when almost everyone in the production chain sees the same... ehhh, perhaps expectations eventually become reality. All I know is that the old bromide that I used to discount- the rich are getting richer while the poor get poorer- is beginning to ring true.
scompay Offline
#60 Posted:
Joined: 04-17-2010
Posts: 1,721
bloody spaniard wrote:
Antacid not quaalude. If it were a quaalude I would care what anyone said. LOL

I don't remember the misery index under Bush Sr/Quayle being particularly bad. In fact, it can be argued that their policies gave Clinton an economic bump from the start.

I hope you're right, scompay. I've just seen everything in an ever- increasing, slow tailspin since 2001. Perhaps it IS a matter of perception but damn, when almost everyone in the production chain sees the same... ehhh, perhaps expectations eventually become reality. All I know is that the old bromide that I used to discount- the rich are getting richer while the poor get poorer- is beginning to ring true.


Bloody, you were probably already established by that era, thanks to Ronnie. I was just buying a house and a car, I painfully remember what the misery index was, and taxes. There is a reason 1200sqft homes were considered mansions. Today I think they start construction at 4,000 sqft.

Yes unlike historians I will agree that Papa Bush did a lot of good for the long term economy.
bloody spaniard Offline
#61 Posted:
Joined: 03-14-2003
Posts: 43,802
scompay wrote:
Bloody, you were probably already established by that era, thanks to Ronnie. I was just buying a house and a car, I painfully remember what the misery index was, and taxes. There is a reason 1200sqft homes were considered mansions. Today I think they start construction at 4,000 sqft.

Yes unlike historians I will agree that Papa Bush did a lot of good for the long term economy.

True to all of the above but I was really just starting out in 1988- Ron's last year. Opportunities were everywhere if you worked hard. Sort of reminded me of the land grabs from the 1800's. Disorganization everywhere but the gold in dem der hills awaited! LOL

In reference to your homes comment, I remember my folks finally "making it" when they bought a 3 car garage, brick home with about 4,000 square feet and a fountain out front in a suburb of DC circa 1976. Today the fountain doesn't work and the new homes in that area are easily 30%+ larger with less land of course.

I feel sorry for "kids" just starting out these days. Just think they have it rougher.
scompay Offline
#62 Posted:
Joined: 04-17-2010
Posts: 1,721
bloody spaniard wrote:
True to all of the above but I was really just starting out in 1988- Ron's last year. Opportunities were everywhere if you worked hard. Sort of reminded me of the land grabs from the 1800's. Disorganization everywhere but the gold in dem der hills awaited! LOL

In reference to your homes comment, I remember my folks finally "making it" when they bought a 3 car garage, brick home with about 4,000 square feet and a fountain out front in a suburb of DC circa 1976. Today the fountain doesn't work and the new homes in that area are easily 30%+ larger with less land of course.

I feel sorry for "kids" just starting out these days. Just think they have it rougher.



If you figure out what has changed since then, you can win this race.

just 50 years ago, mortgages were unheard of. No way could you convince folks to go into debt for the rest of their lives. A new car every 3 years- not even for the rich, that's why they made MB to last a lifetime. Interest only loans where the principal is never paid- are you kidding. Reverse mortgage- the thought alone was absurd.

In essence we have made the public gullible and put their guard down completely about vital things such as not going into debt for life, having equity and savings.

We have gone from bankers making few dollars a month on fees collected from checking accounts, to free checking cause they are making at least $500 a month from the average household. Its utterly unbelievable. They even drive the news and culture. Even if you have your house paid off and dont give into the hype of owning a new truck every model change, they will tell you to get a second mortgage to build a preppers shelter.

John Gotti (rip) gave us the clue we needed. He said when you owe the bank $50,000, you got a problem, when you owe the bank $500,000, they got a problem.

Small business and individuals can be telling the bank to go fly a kite like GM and Apple or thousands of others- but they dont because they have been brainwashed into believing your reputation will be ruined, what will the neighbors think. They have used that stick to keep us beholden to them.

Here is an exit strategy if you really think the world is going to crash- borrow like its your last week.
tailgater Offline
#63 Posted:
Joined: 06-01-2000
Posts: 26,185
scompay wrote:
If you figure out what has changed since then, you can win this race.

......
......

Small business and individuals can be telling the bank to go fly a kite like GM and Apple or thousands of others- but they dont because they have been brainwashed into believing your reputation will be ruined, what will the neighbors think. They have used that stick to keep us beholden to them.

Here is an exit strategy if you really think the world is going to crash- borrow like its your last week.


I have no respect for anyone who is irresponsible.
Blame the bank. Blame the system.
In the end it's personal responsibility that provides character.
Good guys might finish last, but they can look in the mirror without seeing a punk-azz loser.

bloody spaniard Offline
#64 Posted:
Joined: 03-14-2003
Posts: 43,802
Wish I could, but cannot disagree with anything you've said at the moment, scompay, (give me a few minutes). lol

You know, as I sit at my desk reminiscing with a finger in nose, your posts bring to mind imagery from a Michael Moore film where a small dog (us) jumps up at the master's (Top 500 & Govt. folks) dinner table hoping for scraps and crumbs... All that energy, all that anticipation! Alas, the mutt's (us) expectations usually fall way short. Not that I agree with everything that hypocritical, irreverent slob puts out but this time I think he hit it out of the park.
scompay Offline
#65 Posted:
Joined: 04-17-2010
Posts: 1,721
bloody spaniard wrote:
Wish I could, but cannot disagree with anything you've said at the moment, scompay, (give me a few minutes). lol

You know, as I sit at my desk reminiscing with a finger in nose, your posts bring to mind imagery from a Michael Moore film where a small dog (us) jumps up at the master's (Top 500 & Govt. folks) dinner table hoping for scraps and crumbs... All that energy, all that anticipation! Alas, the mutt's (us) expectations usually fall way short. Not that I agree with everything that hypocritical, irreverent slob puts out but this time I think he hit it out of the park.



Geez Spaniard, you shut me down at Michael Moore. Yuck.

No its none of this david vs goliath.

The biggest lie we were ever told was that corporations are Goliath and pillars of social responsibility. Corporations are david.

Hopefully you have incorporated like I have. There is more recourse against a bum from the ghetto than there is a corporation. Thats the fundamental thing that folks dont understand. If a bum owes 50 bucks we can force him to sell blood to come up with the money and repay his obligations. There is absolutely nothing that makes a corporation liable for anything. Imagine that we have create a person (which corps are) that has ZERO liability.

The poor bum has to live with one identity for life- a corporation can change it every 6 months. Change its credit report by changing its name. Be cash rich and still borrow money from the public. Think about it, thats worse than a panhandler.

Live like a corporation and prosper.
scompay Offline
#66 Posted:
Joined: 04-17-2010
Posts: 1,721
tailgater wrote:
I have no respect for anyone who is irresponsible.
Blame the bank. Blame the system.
In the end it's personal responsibility that provides character.
Good guys might finish last, but they can look in the mirror without seeing a punk-azz loser.



You are confusing stupidity for character. Dont ever change.
bloody spaniard Offline
#67 Posted:
Joined: 03-14-2003
Posts: 43,802
Used corporate charter in order to diminish liability in these litigious times & lower tax rate.
Subchapter S be damned, part of my motivation was survival (in addition to personal interest of course) but I have ventured into the health service industry. Complicated but lucrative and most importantly, satisfying.

I pity most small business these days. They have to diversify to survive but usually have no clue.

On an aside, have you heard that Target employees' hours have been dramatically cut back? They are now p/t & can apply for Medicaid, er, comprehensive care.
Buckwheat Offline
#68 Posted:
Joined: 04-15-2004
Posts: 12,251
scompay wrote:
Live like a corporation and prosper.


If you can live with yourself; go for it. There will be a special place for people who do this over and over again. This is what is really wrong with the US these days. fog
scompay Offline
#69 Posted:
Joined: 04-17-2010
Posts: 1,721
Buckwheat wrote:
If you can live with yourself; go for it. There will be a special place for people who do this over and over again. This is what is really wrong with the US these days. fog


I agree with you, most cant, and thats what they are banking on.

But see the other side of this, this is how we stop evil. Let me use an example.

18% interest on a credit card is pure evil. It is beyond greedy and life-wrecking for most. Especially when they change the interest on you.

So what we say is that people should have personal responsibility and pay this. Fine. But what about ethics and personal responsibility. Why can a bank survive on 8% interest on a car loan and want 18% for CC.

During the Ronnie years there was a limit to what a CC could charge. And people could get out of it by filling bankruptcy. Bush jr. passed a law that said a CC has to be paid back no matter what and they can charge whatever. Net result has been that the banks have an incentive to brainwash people into irresponsibility. I.e. accepting a card with $25,000 limit. It has happened to me several times where they have raised my limits to that and I have had to fight to get them to reduce it.
scompay Offline
#70 Posted:
Joined: 04-17-2010
Posts: 1,721
bloody spaniard wrote:
Used corporate charter in order to diminish liability in these litigious times & lower tax rate.
Subchapter S be damned, part of my motivation was survival (in addition to personal interest of course) but I have ventured into the health service industry. Complicated but lucrative and most importantly, satisfying.

I pity most small business these days. They have to diversify to survive but usually have no clue.

On an aside, have you heard that Target employees' hours have been dramatically cut back? They are now p/t & can apply for Medicaid, er, comprehensive care.


Yeah so who is really abusing medicaid/er- its Target. They are cheating on both ends, they want govt to create a middle class that can afford to shop there- but they dont want their employees to earn enough to be middle class. LOL do you see where its breaking down.

Henry Ford paid his workers three times as much as the going rate, he rightfully believed that if his employees could not afford to buy his cars he would not be in business.

Folks who work at these targets of the world cant afford to shop there or even live in america.
bloody spaniard Offline
#71 Posted:
Joined: 03-14-2003
Posts: 43,802
scompay wrote:
Yeah so who is really abusing medicaid/er- its Target. They are cheating on both ends, they want govt to create a middle class that can afford to shop there- but they dont want their employees to earn enough to be middle class. LOL do you see where its breaking down.

Henry Ford paid his workers three times as much as the going rate, he rightfully believed that if his employees could not afford to buy his cars he would not be in business.

Folks who work at these targets of the world cant afford to shop there or even live in america.


Exactly, so you see where the image of a jumping chihuahua who's been promised table treats is apropos?
These are difficult times and the carrot on the stick is not as believable anymore.
scompay Offline
#72 Posted:
Joined: 04-17-2010
Posts: 1,721
bloody spaniard wrote:
Exactly, so you see where the image of a jumping chihuahua who's been promised table treats is apropos?
These are difficult times and the carrot on the stick is not as believable anymore.


Let me try to be as helpful as you have entertaining. if these are indeed difficult times.

The biggest problem I see with advertising through trinkets is the lack of creativity. If one creates an ad for superbowl, we try to use as much humor as possible to make it memorable. And yet folks just want to give away the same old post it notes and pens to folks who presumably are impressed by that sort of thing. (ie wrong market).

It should be witty and clever that ingrains the company name, not unlike a viral ad. You should be able to come up with some really interesting stuff. Basically become the marketing team for them.
tailgater Offline
#73 Posted:
Joined: 06-01-2000
Posts: 26,185
scompay wrote:
You are confusing stupidity for character. Dont ever change.


So it's stupid to be responsible?
If you advocate for people to walk away from debt and pass the problem to the bank, then you're a loser.
If you think that this type of irresponsible behavior only hurts the fat cats in the bank, then you're also stupid.




DrafterX Offline
#74 Posted:
Joined: 10-18-2005
Posts: 98,555
Scompay is Donald Trump..?? Huh
scompay Offline
#75 Posted:
Joined: 04-17-2010
Posts: 1,721
tailgater wrote:
So it's stupid to be responsible?
If you advocate for people to walk away from debt and pass the problem to the bank, then you're a loser.
If you think that this type of irresponsible behavior only hurts the fat cats in the bank, then you're also stupid.



If it was simple everyone would get it and the rich would outnumber the poor.

Responsibility is not the ability to repay your debts- Responsibility is not getting into debt. Particularly the kind with liability.

Thats the difference between then and now. They have convinced the gullible masses its responsible to have second mortgages.

And FYI there is no debt you can walk away from in this country, stoopid. If you walk away from a house, the bank gets the house, i.e their money back and then some. You can no longer walk away from CC debt at all, nor student loans, nor certain medical bills.

The point is that, when we look at the corporate methodology we can learn a lot from them. They only gamble with the house's money. Bill Gates for example, worth billions, but his company still borrows money from the public that has zero liability. i.e stocks, you can lend him $1000 today, there is no guarantee you will get back even $500 a month from now. GM the largest corporation in the world walked away from billions in debt.
tailgater Offline
#76 Posted:
Joined: 06-01-2000
Posts: 26,185
scompay wrote:
If it was simple everyone would get it and the rich would outnumber the poor.

Responsibility is not the ability to repay your debts- Responsibility is not getting into debt. Particularly the kind with liability.

Thats the difference between then and now. They have convinced the gullible masses its responsible to have second mortgages.

And FYI there is no debt you can walk away from in this country, stoopid. If you walk away from a house, the bank gets the house, i.e their money back and then some. You can no longer walk away from CC debt at all, nor student loans, nor certain medical bills.

The point is that, when we look at the corporate methodology we can learn a lot from them. They only gamble with the house's money. Bill Gates for example, worth billions, but his company still borrows money from the public that has zero liability. i.e stocks, you can lend him $1000 today, there is no guarantee you will get back even $500 a month from now. GM the largest corporation in the world walked away from billions in debt.


I stand by what I said.
Perhaps more so, after reading your gobbly-gook intended to distract rather than inform.

The fact that Bill Gates can borrow money has ZERO bearing on whether joe-normal shirks his own responsibility.
And getting into debt is not always an issue of being irresponsible. Circumstance can be a greater factor.
Again, you're trying to cloud the issue because your earlier comments reek of irresponsible behavior.

Users browsing this topic
Guest
2 Pages<12