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It's time to deny West African's admission to America.
TMCTLT Offline
#51 Posted:
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victor809 wrote:
Flag them where?

Terrorist monitoring is a coalition of countries all volunteering the information. We don't have information on where a person has come from until they get to our border. Then we look at their passport and check the stamps. Why do you think people go to mexico, fly to cuba from mexico, as the cubans not to stamp their passport... and then return to the US.

As much as you apparently want the US gov't to be a large overseeing big-brother type entity, it isn't.

You want to know if someone entering the US has been in liberia, you get to look through their passport and check for a liberian stamp. Then you get to check the date to see when they traveled there.

That takes time.


Pull your head from your Ass and look around you, because this statement in incredibly wrong headed.
And just for the record....this Isn't terrorist monitoring were talking about ( but then you knew that ) ALL countries have a Vested interst in sharing THIS information....talk about an idiot d'oh!
victor809 Offline
#52 Posted:
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TMCTLT wrote:
Pull your head from your Ass and look around you, because this statement in incredibly wrong headed.
And just for the record....this Isn't terrorist monitoring were talking about ( but then you knew that ) ALL countries have a Vested interst in sharing THIS information....talk about an idiot d'oh!


ALL countries may have a vested interest... so?

Does that mean they all use the same system for maintaining passport information? Can you get that information to disseminate to all the other countries so a database can be maintained by all?

Seriously... this is what you're talking about here:

1 - You have to assume that anyone leaving any of the infected west africa countries does so through a channel where their passport is checked (the instant someone walks across a border in one of the countries... which have less secure borders than ours.. their home free).
2 - If they fly to a 1st world country from any of the west africa countries, that 1st world country would have to enter the information on the flyer into that database with the understanding that the individual is not going to leave their country until the epidemic is over (because hey, once you're on the database, you're not gonna be able to fly anywhere else, because you want all the countries to restrict flights for anyone on the "no fly" list... that's kind of the purpose of it). That doesn't provide any incentive for them to adopt that program. the list only has value when someone else has entered the information.

3 - Assuming that country decides to let them in, that passport information has to be entered in a database at whatever country they've entered, in a manner which can then be accessed by every other passport system around the world. Countries haven't standardized immigration systems...

4 - If you're even able to get this system is in place, individuals from west africa aren't going to be able to fly anywhere directly, since that country would be stuck with them. Since they can't fly from their home country, they are better off using ground or sea transportation to a country no longer on the "no fly" list. Then they're free to move about the world. you complain constantly aobut our border with mexico being too porous, the countries out there aren't as sophisticated as we are.

Doesn't anyone out there remember the mass refugee exoduses that have occurred in that part of the country because of wars? Thousands of people just pick up and walk to the next country... if you don't keep ebola under control in those countries you'll see the same problem happen. Except some percentage of those refugees will be vectors. That will allow the disease to essentially spread to every country without a major physical barrier (water, desert, mountains).

opelmanta1900 Offline
#53 Posted:
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we should just hang a big sign on the statue of liberty that says "no black people for a little while"...
TMCTLT Offline
#54 Posted:
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
we should just hang a big sign on the statue of liberty that says "no black people for a little while"...




It's got absolutely NOTHING to do with skin color....wtf is in you guys drinking water Out There???
jetblasted Offline
#55 Posted:
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AFRICA STEMS EBOLA VIA BORDER CLOSINGS

News from The Associated Press

NAIROBI, Kenya (AP) -- Health officials battling the Ebola outbreak that has killed more than 4,500 people in West Africa have managed to limit its spread on the continent to five countries - and two of them appear to have snuffed out the disease.

The developments constitute a modest success in an otherwise bleak situation.

Officials credit tighter border controls, good patient-tracking and other medical practices, and just plain luck with keeping Ebola confined mostly to Liberia, Sierra Leone and Guinea since the outbreak was first identified nearly seven months ago.

Senegal did so well in finding and isolating a man with Ebola who had slipped across the border from Guinea in August that the World Health Organization on Friday will declare the end of the disease in Senegal if no new cases surface.

Nigeria is another success story. It had 20 cases and eight deaths after the virus was brought by a Liberian-American who flew from Liberia to Lagos, Nigeria's commercial capital of 21 million people, in July. Nearly 900 people were potentially exposed to the virus by the traveler, who died, and the disease could have wreaked havoc in Africa's most populous nation.

Instead, Ebola appears to have been beaten, in large part through aggressive tracking of Ebola contacts, with no new cases since Aug. 31.

WHO, the U.N. health agency, called it "a piece of world-class epidemiological detective work." The organization is set to declare an end to the outbreak in Nigeria on Monday.

Nigeria had a head start compared with other West African countries: Officials were able to use an emergency command center that had been built by the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation to combat polio.

Border closings may also be helping halt the spread of Ebola.

Ivory Coast, Guinea-Bissau and Senegal, all of which share borders with at least one of the three most affected countries, have closed those borders.

The disease continues to ravage Liberia, Guinea and Sierra Leone, overwhelming their health systems.

And some observers warn that border closings can have limited effect in a region with highly porous boundaries and few resources to patrol them. Border posts are sometimes easily skirted.

There is also concern that travel restrictions will make things worse in the affected countries by creating what amounts to an economic embargo.

"We have been isolated," said Kaifala Marah, Sierra Leone's finance and economic development minister. "It really is killing our economies."

Authorities in some African countries imposed tight air travel restrictions, tougher than those contemplated by the U.S. or British governments.

South Africa and Zambia slapped travel and entry restrictions on Ebola-stricken countries. Kenya Airways, the country's main airline, stopped flying to the affected lands.

In Zimbabwe, all travelers from West Africa are put under 21-day surveillance. Health officials regularly visit those travelers to check their condition.

Nigeria initially banned flights from countries with Ebola but relaxed the restriction once it felt that airlines were competent to take travelers' temperatures and follow other measures to prevent people with Ebola from flying.

Nigeria has teams taking the temperature of travelers at airports and seaports.

In Ethiopia, the main international airport in Addis Ababa screens all arriving passengers - including those from Europe and the U.S. - for fever using body scans.

South Africa has tested 14 people for Ebola, all of whom proved negative.

"To tell you the truth, we were testing them just to settle your nerves," Aaron Motsoaledi, South Africa's health minister, told reporters. "Clinically speaking, most of them did not fit criteria for testing."

Another factor is luck. All it takes is one infected person to slip around guards at a border post or get aboard a plane.

"God has been merciful we haven't reported a case in Kenya, but we really need to up our disaster preparedness," said Dr. Nelly Bosire, an official with Kenya's main medical union.

"The fact we stopped doing the West African flights had an impact. On that part I think we got it right. But it still has more to do with luck."
DrafterX Offline
#56 Posted:
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Ebola Czar..?? Confused
Gene363 Offline
#57 Posted:
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DrafterX wrote:
Ebola Czar..?? Confused


Great! The czar can recommend legislation and that will really solve the Ebola problem. horse
DrafterX Offline
#58 Posted:
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President Barack Obama is expected to name Ron Klain, a former chief of staff to two Democratic vice presidents, as the country's Ebola czar, knowledgeable sources told CNN's Jake Tapper today.

Klain is a former chief of staff to Vice President Joe Biden and also to former Vice President Al Gore. Klain is currently president of Case Holdings and General Counsel of Revolution, an investment group. He has clerked for the U.S. Supreme Court and headed up Gore's effort during the 2000 Florida recount.

Get complete coverage of breaking news on CNN TV, CNN.com and CNN Mobile.


Film at 11....... Think
teedubbya Offline
#59 Posted:
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For the moment let's assume the CDC sucks and is beyond repair. Do we want a central entity to address things like Ebola? Or do we want the local markets\hospitals etc.to handle it? We are all in agreement the Government has never done anything right and servs no purpose. So if the CDC just STFU and does nothing this should be an improvement since they have done such a **** job (a job the other side of our mouth says we don't want them doing).

jetblasted Offline
#60 Posted:
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Well, recently CDC employees carried Anthrax samples home in ziplock bags & lost several samples sent to labs, so there's that.
jetblasted Offline
#61 Posted:
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The new Ebola Czar was a key White House figure in the Solyndra scandal & has no medical background experience. I swear, You just can't make this stuff up.

The CDC told the latest nurse infected, knowing she worked on the lying African who died, that it was Ok to fly. I swear, you just can't make this stuff up.
ZRX1200 Offline
#62 Posted:
Joined: 07-08-2007
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Barry Soetoro executive order calling reservists to ready status so that they can go get them some ebola to make up for slaverY .
http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/ebola-virus-outbreak/obama-authorizes-national-guard-reserves-ebola-fight-n227336

Go freedom!!!!

Rope off that mofo schit hole and let the virus run it's course. ...... who owns the vaccine? Oh a private company owned by.......... yeah don't do EXACTLY what would stop the spread .
teedubbya Offline
#63 Posted:
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It's a conspiracy I tell ya. They WANT people dead.
wheelrite Offline
#64 Posted:
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Whitey sux !!!


wheel,,
TMCTLT Offline
#65 Posted:
Joined: 11-22-2007
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teedubbya wrote:
For the moment let's assume the CDC sucks and is beyond repair. Do we want a central entity to address things like Ebola? Or do we want the local markets\hospitals etc.to handle it? We are all in agreement the Government has never done anything right and servs no purpose. So if the CDC just STFU and does nothing this should be an improvement since they have done such a **** job (a job the other side of our mouth says we don't want them doing).




Couldn't agree more on letting local Hospitals / labs to do the legwork on this, now if we could just get the Feds to shut down the Center for everything but Disease Control and funnel the $$ to the locals!!
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