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Obama: Netanyahu offers no viable alternative to Iran talks
teedubbya Offline
#51 Posted:
Joined: 08-14-2003
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DrafterX wrote:
I think I tried to tell you guys that in the Bush era... Mellow



I didn't watch them then either. If I am partisan it is pro republican but I'm not lock step. Bush turned in to a disaster and I said as much at the time. To do so made me no longer a republican to some.

However, if the Dems had invited a world leader in to lobby congress under these same circumstances I would have stood clearly behind Bush and the Presidency.

It doesn't matter which party has their person in the office. We can have wicked good fights internally but there is a boundry not to cross.

And make no mistake, some of these (not this one) were crossed when Bush was in office and it was wrong. That isn't a hall pass for the other side though.
gryphonms Offline
#52 Posted:
Joined: 04-14-2013
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I have to agree with HD and TW. This is about an attempt to do an end run around the office of the president to dictate foreign policy. Put aside what you think of the president and ask this question? Does Israel dictate our foreign policy or do we? It really is that simple. I hope this does not harm Israel's relationship with the United States, but see how it could.
teedubbya Offline
#53 Posted:
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There is no long term play here. Its myopic partisan politics and it's bad for everyone.
DrafterX Offline
#54 Posted:
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true.. true.. should be all over in about 6 months from what I hear.... Mellow
Brewha Offline
#55 Posted:
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No, some things never end.....
DrafterX Offline
#56 Posted:
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True... true... even the nukes won't kill them all... Mellow
Brewha Offline
#57 Posted:
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You can treat a symptom, but the disease goes merrily on its way.....
jetblasted Offline
#58 Posted:
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Depends on how many nukes you use.
DrafterX Offline
#59 Posted:
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Brewha wrote:
You can treat a symptom, but the disease goes merrily on its way.....



Why do you hate the Jew peoples..?? Huh
Brewha Offline
#60 Posted:
Joined: 01-25-2010
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DrafterX wrote:
Why do you hate the Jew peoples..?? Huh

Because a lot of the men are terrorist bombers.
Never heard of a "He blew"?
DrafterX Offline
#61 Posted:
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Jade is one of the Jew peoples..?? Huh
Bitter Klinger Offline
#62 Posted:
Joined: 03-23-2013
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You libbies are so obtuse. Go ahead, repeat your lies to one another some more - they'll surely come true.

Go ahead and arm jihadist-ridden countries with nukes - what could go wrong?!

You do realize that this argument is over allowing these camel jockies to enrich uranium, right? And you do realize that its not necessary to enrich uranium in order to have nuclear power, right?

teedubbya Offline
#63 Posted:
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i'll put you firmly in the category that it's not good enough to support Israel but you must support the Likud party or you are a liberal. that makes it funny that you think you understand the situation better than others. And I assume by the Libbys you were referring to the hockey dad. And on that I agree he listens to Barbra Streisand and still wants to hit Hanoi Jane
frankj1 Offline
#64 Posted:
Joined: 02-08-2007
Posts: 44,223
teedubbya wrote:
i'll put you firmly in the category that it's not good enough to support Israel but you must support the Likud party or you are a liberal. that makes it funny that you think you understand the situation better than others. And I assume by the Libbys you were referring to the hockey dad. And on that I agree he listens to Barbra Streisand and still wants to hit Hanoi Jane

though I do not listen to Babs despite our shared religion, and though I probably would have hit Jane a number of times since even before Barbarella (I mean really? is there any debate?), I must admit that for several years I have chuckled since LHD called me a right winger because I support Israel. (use search function or just take my word for it. Great fun, eh Tom?)

It never dawned on me that LHD is a raging pinko commie socialist phag. And now you enlighten me about this guy?
Thanks TW, my gaydar must need a tune-up.

and for the record, I will always support Israel and fear for it's future, but sometimes they do the wrong thing and must be called out...just wish every other country on Earth was under the same microscope.
jetblasted Offline
#65 Posted:
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Speaking of Hanio Jane, I met Ted Turner at a cocktail/garden party for Jane Goodall two years ago. He was so "out-of-it", I swore he was on the verge of Alshimers.

I did get a great photo of the two of them together, though.
rfenst Offline
#66 Posted:
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Saudis in unusual agreement with Netanyahu about Iran, but question Israel's motives

AYA BATRAWY, Associated Press

DUBAI, United Arab Emirates (AP) — Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's fiery speech this week before the U.S. Congress, in which he argued against an emerging nuclear deal with Iran, has received tacit support from an unlikely quarter -- Saudi Arabia.

The oil-rich Sunni kingdom views Shiite Iran as a regional rival that is perhaps even more menacing than Israel.

That was clear in a string of columns this week published in Saudi state-linked media, which is widely seen as reflecting official views and mainstream thought in the kingdom, and which voiced skepticism of President Barack Obama's efforts to broker a landmark nuclear agreement with Tehran.


"Who could believe that Netanyahu today has taken a better stand than Obama with regard to the Iranian nuclear file?" columnist Ahmed al-Faraj wrote, saying he was quoting a recent remark by Senator Richard Durbin (D-IL). The opinion piece in the Saudi-owned al-Jazira newspaper on Monday, a day before the speech, reflects sentiment shared among some in the Gulf.

On Thursday, U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry was in the Saudi capital to ease Gulf concerns about the negotiations with Iran, which are aimed at reaching a framework agreement this month and a final deal later this year. Kerry is meeting with the foreign ministers of the Sunni-ruled Gulf states and the new Saudi monarch King Salman.

Like Israel, Saudi Arabia has long viewed Iran as an expansionist power that seeks to dominate the region through local proxies, including Lebanon's Hezbollah, Palestinian armed groups in the Gaza Strip and Shiite militias in Iraq. Saudi Arabia and Iran are fighting a proxy war in Syria, with the kingdom arming the rebels seeking to topple Iranian-backed President Bashar Assad.

In a column published in Asharq al-Awsat, a daily owned by King Salman's family, Abdulrahman al-Rashed wrote "Iran's fingerprints are everywhere."

"Iran is currently in an offensive state, the likes of which we have not seen in modern history," he wrote.

Netanyahu said as much to Congress, telling lawmakers that Iran is "gobbling up" nations in its "march of conquest, subjugation and terror."

Saudi Arabia is part of the U.S.-led coalition striking the Islamic State group, awkwardly putting it on the same side as Iran, which is battling the extremists through its allied Shiite militias in Iraq and by supporting Assad. The kingdom, like the U.S., has refused to coordinate its efforts with Tehran.

Netanyahu's argument that "when it comes to Iran and ISIS, the enemy of your enemy is your enemy," resonates in Riyadh, where the royal family is concerned about a possible U.S.-Iranian rapprochement.

Despite the alignment of interests, Saudis still view Israel as an illegitimate occupier of Arab and Muslim lands, and any kind of open alliance is out of the question.

An editorial in al-Medina newspaper ridiculed Netanyahu's insistence that he had traveled to Washington out of concern for Israel's security and not to boost his prospects ahead of elections later this month. The editorial said it was ironic that he spoke of Israel's need for security despite "hundreds of (Israeli) massacres against Palestinians and Arabs over more than six decades."

An editorial by the al-Sharq newspaper went so far as to suggest that Netanyahu wants to scuttle the deal in order to allow Iran to get nuclear weapons, "which will not be directed toward Israel, but toward the Arabs, so that Iran can see its project through and achieve what Israel could not." But the editorial did note that his assessment that Tehran is expanding was "right."

Saudi columnist Dawoud al-Shiryan wrote in al-Hayat that if Israel was so worried about Iran getting nuclear weapons, "why haven't they stopped it by force as they always do?"
DrMaddVibe Offline
#67 Posted:
Joined: 10-21-2000
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The Haus of Saud IS and always HAS been the head of the snake.

NOBODY will upset that "apple cart"....ESPECIALLY the Kenyan King! He's bought and paid for!

Khalid Al-Mansour has deep pockets but you already know that from reading the posts I put up here waaay back before his 1st coronation detailing how this stooge wasn't ever ready for prime time.

"Al-Mansour is an outspoken hater of the United States, Israel, and white people generally. In recent years he has accused the U.S. of plotting a "genocide" designed "to remove 15 million black people, considered disposable, of no relevance, value or benefit to the American society." He has told fellow blacks that "whatever you do to [white people], they deserve it, God wants you to do it and that's when you cut out the nose, cut out the ears, take flesh out of their body, don't worry because God wants you to do it." Alleging further that Palestinians in Israel "are being brutalized like savages," he accuses the Jews of "stealing the land the same way the Christians stole the land from the Indians in America.""
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