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Speyside Offline
#1 Posted: Thu, Jul 16 2015, 8:29 AM EST
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Just reading Drafter's post on high speed internet. Seems like every week there is a new way to redistribute our money to the poor with something they would like to have. Wonder when we will be the Unites Socialist States of America?
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#2 Posted: Thu, Jul 16 2015, 8:32 AM EST
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I think it's penciled in for May 5th... Mellow
TMCTLT Offline
#3 Posted: Thu, Jul 16 2015, 10:54 AM EST
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Speyside wrote:
Just reading Drafter's post on high speed internet. Seems like every week there is a new way to redistribute our money to the poor with something they would like to have. Wonder when we will be the Unites Socialist States of America?



Heard about this a couple weeks back....That's our Re-Distributor In Chief!!!! ( he's not done yet, not by a long shot)
tonygraz Offline
#4 Posted: Thu, Jul 16 2015, 12:59 PM EST
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I certainly hope he's not.
MACS Offline
#5 Posted: Thu, Jul 16 2015, 1:36 PM EST
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tonygraz wrote:
I certainly hope he's not.


So you don't believe in personal responsibility? Taking care of one's self, and one's own affairs?

I believe in charity. But it shouldn't be coming from the federal government.

My $.02
DrafterX Offline
#6 Posted: Thu, Jul 16 2015, 1:37 PM EST
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that's gonna start costing $.03 soon.... Mellow
Speyside Offline
#7 Posted: Thu, Jul 16 2015, 1:51 PM EST
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What I choose to do to help the poor should be my choice and is called charity. The government imposing it's will on me is called Totalitarianism.
teedubbya Offline
#8 Posted: Thu, Jul 16 2015, 2:50 PM EST
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I take no issue with that Speyside other than Totalitarianism is a bit of a stretch. So you would ****can medicaid, medicare, social security etc? i honestly would give thought to doing so. There will always be some in here that say they pay for such things but it is redistribution and entitlement at it's finest.
Speyside Offline
#9 Posted: Thu, Jul 16 2015, 3:11 PM EST
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Totalitarianism is a stretch, I am reaching and cannot quite find the word I want.
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#10 Posted: Thu, Jul 16 2015, 3:16 PM EST
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Obamatarianism..... Mellow
tonygraz Offline
#11 Posted: Thu, Jul 16 2015, 3:36 PM EST
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MACS wrote:
So you don't believe in personal responsibility? Taking care of one's self, and one's own affairs?

I believe in charity. But it shouldn't be coming from the federal government.

My $.02


We don't want to hear about your personal affairs. I believe in government by the people and for the people.
Speyside Offline
#12 Posted: Thu, Jul 16 2015, 3:45 PM EST
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Drafter, you ground my word!
Speyside Offline
#13 Posted: Thu, Jul 16 2015, 3:45 PM EST
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Drafter, you found my word!
teedubbya Offline
#14 Posted: Thu, Jul 16 2015, 4:04 PM EST
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Is that why he had his hands so deep in your front pocket?
MACS Offline
#15 Posted: Thu, Jul 16 2015, 5:15 PM EST
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tonygraz wrote:
We don't want to hear about your personal affairs. I believe in government by the people and for the people.


Way to evade the question.
MACS Offline
#16 Posted: Thu, Jul 16 2015, 5:17 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
I take no issue with that Speyside other than Totalitarianism is a bit of a stretch. So you would ****can medicaid, medicare, social security etc? i honestly would give thought to doing so. There will always be some in here that say they pay for such things but it is redistribution and entitlement at it's finest.


I actually agree. SS is a ponzi scheme.
TMCTLT Offline
#17 Posted: Fri, Jul 17 2015, 6:55 AM EST
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tonygraz wrote:
We don't want to hear about your personal affairs. I believe in government by the people and for the people.



Uh hmmm......we DON'T have THIS!!!!!!
Oscar Offline
#18 Posted: Fri, Jul 17 2015, 7:51 AM EST
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I believe in government by TMCTLT for TMCTLT!
TMCTLT Offline
#19 Posted: Fri, Jul 17 2015, 8:51 AM EST
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Oscar wrote:
I believe in government by TMCTLT for TMCTLT!



I believe Oscar can KMA......no wait YES yes he can!!!!

Do you really believe THIS **** we're seeing under this Socialist / Commie is Government by and for the People?
Just answer the question instead off throwing poo.....
Oscar Offline
#20 Posted: Fri, Jul 17 2015, 9:05 AM EST
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I think I would prefer the dictatorship of TMCTLT!

d'oh!
tonygraz Offline
#21 Posted: Fri, Jul 17 2015, 11:05 AM EST
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But that wouldn't be by the people.
Oscar Offline
#22 Posted: Fri, Jul 17 2015, 11:32 AM EST
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But he could profile the people for the people!
Brewha Offline
#23 Posted: Fri, Jul 17 2015, 2:45 PM EST
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Speyside wrote:
Just reading Drafter's post on high speed internet. Seems like every week there is a new way to redistribute our money to the poor with something they would like to have. Wonder when we will be the Unites Socialist States of America?

The long term and ongoing redistribution of wealth way from the middle and lower class, and in the hands of the 1%’s has been accelerating this past decade. I saddens me to read someone carping about the working poor getting bigger crumbs.

I see your view Speyside, but you’re fighting against your own class….
tonygraz Offline
#24 Posted: Fri, Jul 17 2015, 7:01 PM EST
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And if you are in the 1% send a fiver of Maharajas to all of us.
Brewha Offline
#25 Posted: Fri, Jul 17 2015, 8:39 PM EST
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Best of luck with that....
TMCTLT Offline
#26 Posted: Sat, Jul 18 2015, 7:49 AM EST
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Oscar wrote:
I think I would prefer the dictatorship of TMCTLT!

d'oh!



Believe me it would be better than the dictastorship we're currently under.....please Don't pardon the pun!!!!

Oh and you and Tony should consider "getting a room" you can service one another there......in private!!
Speyside Offline
#27 Posted: Sat, Jul 18 2015, 9:22 AM EST
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Brewha:

I follow your point but do not agree with it. As part of the upper middle class any time a new tax is enacted I pay it, such as the 2% tax for ACA. If Democratics are in office I pay more for the poor. If Republicans are in office my money bails out the rich. So every time I see a new program I cringe because I expect to pay more taxes.
tonygraz Offline
#28 Posted: Sat, Jul 18 2015, 9:45 AM EST
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TMCTLT wrote:
Believe me it would be better than the dictastorship we're currently under.....please Don't pardon the pun!!!!

Oh and you and Tony should consider "getting a room" you can service one another there......in private!!



You obviously have no idea of what a dictatorship is or you have again forgotten those meds.
Brewha Offline
#29 Posted: Sat, Jul 18 2015, 9:48 AM EST
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Speyside wrote:
Brewha:

I follow your point but do not agree with it. As part of the upper middle class any time a new tax is enacted I pay it, such as the 2% tax for ACA. If Democratics are in office I pay more for the poor. If Republicans are in office my money bails out the rich. So every time I see a new program I cringe because I expect to pay more taxes.

Right, I hear you. The middle class shoulders far too much of the burden, while corporate welfare and tax breaks for the rich are given priority.

But the answer is not under funding social programs. Although in the end that is often what happens....
tonygraz Offline
#30 Posted: Sat, Jul 18 2015, 9:54 AM EST
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Speyside wrote:
Brewha:

I follow your point but do not agree with it. As part of the upper middle class any time a new tax is enacted I pay it, such as the 2% tax for ACA. If Democratics are in office I pay more for the poor. If Republicans are in office my money bails out the rich. So every time I see a new program I cringe because I expect to pay more taxes.


Just remember, the rich are getting much richer and their tax burden is at a much lower percent than it was in the last 60 years. The poor are still poor or poorer and the middle class is treading water.
MACS Offline
#31 Posted: Sat, Jul 18 2015, 1:18 PM EST
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tonygraz wrote:
Just remember, the rich are getting much richer and their tax burden is at a much lower percent than it was in the last 60 years. The poor are still poor or poorer and the middle class is treading water.


Exactly his point... the middle class is treading water because they're the ones funding the God forsaken social programs.

The poor contribute nothing, and the rich get all the damn breaks.
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