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tailgater Offline
#51 Posted: Thu, Jan 28 2016, 9:18 AM EST
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bgz wrote:
I think protein is covered by the base contents and the almond milk.

Instead of protein powder, might want to throw some flax seed or quinoa in there, maybe a little spinach to help digest the bone meal.


What, no kale?
DrafterX Offline
#52 Posted: Thu, Jan 28 2016, 9:20 AM EST
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screw the kale... Not talking
DrafterX Offline
#53 Posted: Thu, Jan 28 2016, 9:21 AM EST
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tailgater wrote:
Is this true?
Was it determined that they didn't sell, or was there simply insufficient evidence to prove they did?





I think they called it a processing fee... Mellow
gummy jones Offline
#54 Posted: Thu, Jan 28 2016, 9:24 AM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
My guess is none of these current charges will stick.

The whole thing is stupid and has been since these idiots put out their edited video and the sheep followed.


for what its worth the video changes absolutely nothing

it was a vile practice before we found out they were selling tissue, er umm, recouping costs for human organs, er umm, whatever, and it remains a vile practice
cacman Offline
#55 Posted: Thu, Jan 28 2016, 9:32 AM EST
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victor809 wrote:
You do realize that planned parenthood never sold any fetal tissue, right? They didn't even agree to sell it.


Planned Parenthood Has Been Selling Body Parts From Aborted Babies For at Least 15 Years
http://www.lifenews.com/2015/08/07/planned-parenthood-has-been-selling-body-parts-from-aborted-babies-for-at-least-15-years/


They are paid to remove the tissue. They are paid for the disposal of the tissue. And it's funded by taxpayer dollars. It really is a "golden goose".
bgz Offline
#56 Posted: Thu, Jan 28 2016, 9:45 AM EST
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tailgater wrote:
So which is it?
Do you accept the fact that it's an unborn child and simply don't care? (as you state above)
Or do you think it's just a fetus (therefore not a person) and religion is the only reason why somebody would be against aborting it? (as you stated earlier)



Why is it either or?

Why can't I think it is a little undeveloped/non-conscious human... and not care that the mother "kills" it...

And also believe in the current science on the subject.

Again, you are right though... in the end, I really don't care :)

The only time I think about this subject is when I'm on this site arguing with you guys, so... there's that.
tailgater Offline
#57 Posted: Thu, Jan 28 2016, 12:20 PM EST
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bgz wrote:
Why is it either or?

Why can't I think it is a little undeveloped/non-conscious human... and not care that the mother "kills" it...

And also believe in the current science on the subject.

Again, you are right though... in the end, I really don't care :)

The only time I think about this subject is when I'm on this site arguing with you guys, so... there's that.


This is all well and good. But why did you earlier infer that anti-baby killing is simply a religious belief?

Right wing loonies hate abortion. Doesn't mean all who hate abortion are right wing loonies.

All squares are rectangles, but the inverse is not true.

Ask victor. It's the reason his whole bisexual thing is so confusing.
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#58 Posted: Thu, Jan 28 2016, 12:34 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
Is this true?
Was it determined that they didn't sell, or was there simply insufficient evidence to prove they did?




The Jury decided not to indict them. If the grand jury had indicted them, that still would not be proof that they sold fetal tissue, a trial would determine that. The grand jury determined that there was no evidence in the videos that they sold any fetal tissue, thus no reason to go to trial.

None of this is proof that planned parenthood doesn't ever sell fetal tissue anywhere. Just as none of this is proof that planned parenthood isn't run by aliens from the planet zorbitol 5. But it does show that a jury of people, presented with all the evidence the prosecution could scrounge together, with no input from the defense, or planned parenthood, decided there wasn't enough evidence to go to trial... in Texas. That's pretty damning evidence to suggest that these videos show no indication that planned parenthood broke the law on sale of fetal tissue.
bgz Offline
#59 Posted: Thu, Jan 28 2016, 12:43 PM EST
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In my opinion it's a religious belief... especially during the first trimester. Even though the brain starts to develop at that point in time, the neural connections are very rudimentary and the brain isn't developed enough to really consider the biological mass to be much more than that... a biological mass.

So you're saying you're not a right wing loony?

Analogy fail.

How you know Victor is a bisexual? Did his dk taste like chit or something?

trolol
victor809 Offline
#60 Posted: Thu, Jan 28 2016, 12:44 PM EST
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cacman wrote:
Planned Parenthood Has Been Selling Body Parts From Aborted Babies For at Least 15 Years
http://www.lifenews.com/2015/08/07/planned-parenthood-has-been-selling-body-parts-from-aborted-babies-for-at-least-15-years/


They are paid to remove the tissue. They are paid for the disposal of the tissue. And it's funded by taxpayer dollars. It really is a "golden goose".



If your friend is offering you his humidor for free, but asks you to pay the shipping to send it to him, are you "buying" the humidor?

The law allows for the cost of storage, material handling etc of the fetal tissue to be reimbursed. These are biological samples... there is a significant expense in proper storage and safe handling of them. One isn't going to make a profit off the 30-100 quoted in the video.
DrafterX Offline
#61 Posted: Thu, Jan 28 2016, 1:07 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
If your friend is offering you his humidor for free, but asks you to pay the shipping to send it to him, are you "buying" the humidor?



Yes... Mellow





Do you work for QVC..?? Huh
cacman Offline
#62 Posted: Thu, Jan 28 2016, 4:10 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
If your friend is offering you his humidor for free, but asks you to pay the shipping to send it to him, are you "buying" the humidor?

Ummm… YES!!!

But I thought you said they NEVER sold any tissue??? What are you saying now… they are only "compensated" for the disposal??? Splitting hairs there aren't you?

The fact is they make money on both the collection and disposal of tissue, on top of being funded with taxpayer dollars. It's kind of like a going to a bar that collects money from selling you the beer, then collects money again for you taking a piss, all while the bar takes money out of your paycheck against your will, even if you don't go to the bar.

It's nice racket they got going on… that's for sure.
victor809 Offline
#63 Posted: Thu, Jan 28 2016, 4:18 PM EST
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You don't really understand the concept of "making money" do you....
tailgater Offline
#64 Posted: Thu, Jan 28 2016, 4:52 PM EST
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bgz wrote:
In my opinion it's a religious belief... especially during the first trimester. Even though the brain starts to develop at that point in time, the neural connections are very rudimentary and the brain isn't developed enough to really consider the biological mass to be much more than that... a biological mass.

So you're saying you're not a right wing loony?

Analogy fail.

How you know Victor is a bisexual? Did his dk taste like chit or something?

trolol


I felt the same way about the whole "first trimester".
Until my wife and I got early ultrasounds of our daughter, right up through 12 weeks.
She had a few miscarriages, so we were extra precautionary.
Anyhow, those ultrasound pics are of a little human being, with a beating heart and tiny limbs. I don't know why you'd dismiss it as strictly a religious belief, unless you consider only religious folks having an ability to care.

Anyhow, you could probably show me pictures in the early weeks where it doesn't resemble a person at all. But at what specific moment in time does that change?

Abortion is legal and should remain so. I just hate the apathetic dismissal in the name of "choice".
Now excuse me while I go say 5 hail mary's and an our father for the win. Sarcasm


And no. That's not how I determined anything about victor.
My college roommate, on the other hand...
tailgater Offline
#65 Posted: Thu, Jan 28 2016, 4:53 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
You don't really understand the concept of "making money" do you....


You want him to shake his money maker?
Freak.
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#66 Posted: Thu, Jan 28 2016, 4:59 PM EST
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http://www.npr.org/2016/01/28/464594826/in-wake-of-videos-planned-parenthood-investigations-find-no-fetal-tissue-sales?utm_source=facebook.com
DrafterX Offline
#67 Posted: Thu, Jan 28 2016, 5:09 PM EST
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they prolly just removed the word 'receipt' from the e-mails to make it look like a contribution.. Mellow
bgz Offline
#68 Posted: Thu, Jan 28 2016, 5:51 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
I felt the same way about the whole "first trimester".
Until my wife and I got early ultrasounds of our daughter, right up through 12 weeks.
She had a few miscarriages, so we were extra precautionary.
Anyhow, those ultrasound pics are of a little human being, with a beating heart and tiny limbs. I don't know why you'd dismiss it as strictly a religious belief, unless you consider only religious folks having an ability to care.

Anyhow, you could probably show me pictures in the early weeks where it doesn't resemble a person at all. But at what specific moment in time does that change?

Abortion is legal and should remain so. I just hate the apathetic dismissal in the name of "choice".
Now excuse me while I go say 5 hail mary's and an our father for the win. Sarcasm


And no. That's not how I determined anything about victor.
My college roommate, on the other hand...



I feel ya on the ultrasound pics. There's no way in hell that I was going to let anything happen to my daughter... but my daughter was wanted. I agree with you 100% about seeing your daughter in the ultrasound pics, and saying how beautiful she is... I felt the same way...

But we're not talking about wanted children, we're talking about unwanted children with a high likelihood of being of turning into welfare queens or members of the incarcerated.

There's no turning me on this point, if the woman don't want to support her kid, neither do I. I know it looks like a little human, but at that point in time, it's really not... it's nothing more than biological growth.

Even though at that point in time was just a biological growth, she was mine and my wife's biological growth and we loved her very very much despite that fact that she was incapable of doing the same at that specific point in time... I'm sure you and your wife felt the exact same way.

Again... that's not what we're talking about here.


So what you're saying is your college roomate's dk tasted like chit?

ROFL (had too)
jjanecka Offline
#69 Posted: Thu, Jan 28 2016, 5:59 PM EST
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Never a big fan of abortion considering the doctor my mom went to claimed that I was a cyst that needed to be removed and he wanted to operate right away.

With that in mind, I'm pretty greatful that my mother was prudent and allowed me to live.

**** abortion.
tonygraz Offline
#70 Posted: Thu, Jan 28 2016, 7:19 PM EST
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The jury is still out since you're a noob, but it won't be for long hanging out here.
tailgater Offline
#71 Posted: Thu, Jan 28 2016, 7:54 PM EST
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bgz wrote:


But we're not talking about wanted children, we're talking about unwanted children with a high likelihood of being of turning into welfare queens or members of the incarcerated.

There's no turning me on this point, if the woman don't want to support her kid, neither do I. I know it looks like a little human, but at that point in time, it's really not... it's nothing more than biological growth.


I'm not trying to turn you on any point. Just pointing out that being being anti-abortion doesn't mean religion.
Hey, we're two dudes so our vote doesn't count anyhow.


bgz wrote:

So what you're saying is your college roomate's dk tasted like chit?

ROFL (had too)



Yes. That was the intended punch line of the joke.
bgz Offline
#72 Posted: Thu, Jan 28 2016, 10:20 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
I'm not trying to turn you on any point. Just pointing out that being being anti-abortion doesn't mean religion.
Hey, we're two dudes so our vote doesn't count anyhow.


True, a candidates stance on abortion doesn't influence my decision anyway.

tailgater wrote:

Yes. That was the intended punch line of the joke.


freak (not that there's anything wrong with that)
Speyside Offline
#73 Posted: Fri, Jan 29 2016, 9:52 AM EST
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When have our votes ever counted?
gummy jones Offline
#74 Posted: Fri, Jan 29 2016, 11:25 AM EST
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the abortion lobby wants to paint it as a religious issue - which blows my mind because there is nothing magical about it

faith plays zero role in this argument

from the second the egg is fertilized the baby has the same number of chromosomes as it will on the day it dies

there is zero chance it can be anything other than human at any point in its development

thats why these labs want those organs specifically rather than just going down to the local (non planned parenthood) slaughterhouse and buying some cattle organs
DrafterX Offline
#75 Posted: Fri, Jan 29 2016, 11:37 AM EST
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reminds me... How come Kermit & Miss Piggy's kids aren't some kind of weird frog/pig mutant thing..?? their son is a frog and the daughters are pigs... Think
victor809 Offline
#76 Posted: Fri, Jan 29 2016, 11:47 AM EST
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Gummy... If you want to put such a hard line on it what are your thoughts on artificial insemination?
DrafterX Offline
#77 Posted: Fri, Jan 29 2016, 12:00 PM EST
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Think
That's prolly what Kermit and Miss Piggy did... Mellow
dstieger Offline
#78 Posted: Fri, Jan 29 2016, 12:27 PM EST
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I think the answer to lowering abortion rates is NOT government regulation or constitutional interpretation. The real key is more head.
bgz Offline
#79 Posted: Fri, Jan 29 2016, 1:00 PM EST
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dstieger wrote:
I think the answer to lowering abortion rates is NOT government regulation or constitutional interpretation. The real key is more head.


Congratulations sir, you win.
tailgater Offline
#80 Posted: Fri, Jan 29 2016, 4:13 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
Gummy... If you want to put such a hard line on it what are your thoughts on artificial insemination?


You mean, like putting a load in the blow up doll?
tailgater Offline
#81 Posted: Fri, Jan 29 2016, 4:13 PM EST
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Bill Clinton wrote:
I think the answer to lowering abortion rates is NOT government regulation or constitutional interpretation. The real key is more head.
riverdog Offline
#82 Posted: Fri, Jan 29 2016, 4:32 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
You mean, like putting a load in the blow up doll?


That would be one way to obtain a sample.Herfing
bgz Offline
#83 Posted: Fri, Jan 29 2016, 5:03 PM EST
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gummy jones wrote:

there is zero chance it can be anything other than human at any point in its development



Sure it could...

It could end up an Aborted Fetal Smoothy.
tailgater Offline
#84 Posted: Fri, Jan 29 2016, 7:01 PM EST
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bgz wrote:
Sure it could...

It could end up an Aborted Fetal Smoothy.


Or a democrat.
bgz Offline
#85 Posted: Fri, Jan 29 2016, 8:29 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
Or a democrat.



Ya, ^this is more likely due to all the anti-abortion lobbyist groups...

The more I think about this, I lol.

I've never put more thought into this subject than I have on this thread...

So here's the bullet points to why being anti-abortion is a right wing religious stance, now that several of you have asked.

Here it is:

1. The unwanted are highly likely to be welfare queens and/or members of the incarcerated.

2. The unwanted will cost the taxpayers vastly more money over the course of their lives than if they were just aborted.

3. And finally, tailgater is correct yet again!!! They are way, way, way more likely to be democrats.

See... so the difference is this:

Pro-choice is a left wing stance while pro-abortion is a right-wing stance.

So if you're not pro-abortion and you are a republican or conservative or what ever you call your self, then your stance must be based on religion.

Thanks tailgater for helping me build my narrative!
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#86 Posted: Sat, Jan 30 2016, 12:01 AM EST
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see if you can grasp pro choice rather than pro abortion for a change.
wording is such an adorable game.

Personally, I would always choose life. yet I am pro choice politically. But I would always CHOOSE life, and so can you.
MACS Offline
#87 Posted: Sat, Jan 30 2016, 12:38 AM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
see if you can grasp pro choice rather than pro abortion for a change.
wording is such an adorable game.

Personally, I would always choose life. yet I am pro choice politically. But I would always CHOOSE life, and so can you.


Amen, Frank. I would always choose a child. Even an unwelcomed child. In fact... any of you douche rockets thinking about terminating a child... keep it. Give it to me.

Might have to massage my wife for a minute. But you know what? She loves kids as much as I do.
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#88 Posted: Sat, Jan 30 2016, 1:00 AM EST
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MACS wrote:
Amen, Frank. I would always choose a child. Even an unwelcomed child. In fact... any of you douche rockets thinking about terminating a child... keep it. Give it to me.

Might have to massage my wife for a minute. But you know what? She loves kids as much as I do.


You're high. I'm not giving you my kid... Scroll up to see my opinion about MY kids.

I always worry about a guy who says "give me your kid".
tailgater Offline
#89 Posted: Sat, Jan 30 2016, 1:41 PM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
see if you can grasp pro choice rather than pro abortion for a change.
wording is such an adorable game.

Personally, I would always choose life. yet I am pro choice politically. But I would always CHOOSE life, and so can you.


Stop worrying about semantics Nancy.Herfing

The same thing could be whined about in regards to Pro-life.
("What? You're not in favor of life?")


So when are we getting together for a cigar?
tailgater Offline
#90 Posted: Sat, Jan 30 2016, 1:43 PM EST
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bgz wrote:


I always worry about a guy who says "give me your kid".


Always?
Like that's a common phrase you hear?

Maybe it's time to move outta TW's neighborhood...
bgz Offline
#91 Posted: Sat, Jan 30 2016, 2:19 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
Always?
Like that's a common phrase you hear?

Maybe it's time to move outta TW's neighborhood...




Always is a superlative that applies to all applicable cases... in this instance all applicable cases is a set of one.

note to self... don't go to TWs neighborhood.
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