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TMCTLT Offline
#1 Posted: Fri, Jul 22 2016, 11:08 AM EST
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This message coming from " Let Us Breath Collective " yet ANOTHER group along the lines of BLM that believes their community in CHICAGO of all places would be better off without Law Enforcement....

http://www.gopusa.com/?p=12847?omhide=true
DrafterX Offline
#2 Posted: Fri, Jul 22 2016, 11:15 AM EST
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you know what.. let them show the world what happens... it'll make a nice documentary.. Mellow
Speyside Offline
#3 Posted: Fri, Jul 22 2016, 11:29 AM EST
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It's truly amazing how out of touch with the real world some people are.
Gene363 Offline
#4 Posted: Fri, Jul 22 2016, 11:42 AM EST
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OK, sounds like a great testground for the new border wall.
Speyside Offline
#5 Posted: Fri, Jul 22 2016, 11:49 AM EST
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Could we make those border circles?
Brewha Offline
#6 Posted: Fri, Jul 22 2016, 12:05 PM EST
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Oh.........

I thought this was going to be a John Lennon thread..
DrafterX Offline
#7 Posted: Fri, Jul 22 2016, 12:06 PM EST
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TMCTLT wrote:
" Let Us Breath Collective "



Isn't that one of Hillary's slogans..?? Think
Speyside Offline
#8 Posted: Fri, Jul 22 2016, 12:09 PM EST
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A song dear to my heart, as is working class hero.
rfenst Offline
#9 Posted: Fri, Jul 22 2016, 12:55 PM EST
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"Be careful what you wish for; you may receive it."
DrafterX Offline
#10 Posted: Fri, Jul 22 2016, 12:58 PM EST
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Stopping Police patrols could happen I suppose... but it sounds like they want money for not having police... Mellow
TMCTLT Offline
#11 Posted: Sat, Jul 23 2016, 8:05 AM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
Stopping Police patrols could happen I suppose... but it sounds like they want money for not having police... Mellow




That's exactly what it sounds like....


Another violent weekday in the exact same hood where (6) were shot last weekend

http://www.gopusa.com/chicago-5-people-shot-on-same-block-where-6-were-wounded-last-weekend/
Speyside Offline
#12 Posted: Sat, Jul 23 2016, 8:20 AM EST
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The violence in Chicago is unbelievable.
TMCTLT Offline
#13 Posted: Sat, Jul 23 2016, 10:02 AM EST
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Speyside wrote:
The violence in Chicago is unbelievable.



Nothing but CRICKETS from our Divider in Chief and the long arm of his DOJ puppet.
MACS Offline
#14 Posted: Sat, Jul 23 2016, 10:52 AM EST
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That's Obama's stomping ground. He can't go advertising how effed up it is.

He'll somehow spin it that it's the police acting 'stupidly'.
DrafterX Offline
#15 Posted: Sat, Jul 23 2016, 12:05 PM EST
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Was talking to a friend last night about this... he's a retired fireman and dislikes cops.. told me some abuse stories that surprised me... not a guy I thought I would here that from... Mellow
SMOKEYOU Offline
#16 Posted: Sat, Jul 23 2016, 12:38 PM EST
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We may as well enact the Purge and let nature take course.
Abrignac Offline
#17 Posted: Sat, Jul 23 2016, 12:58 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
Was talking to a friend last night about this... he's a retired fireman and dislikes cops.. told me some abuse stories that surprised me... not a guy I thought I would here that from... Mellow



Unfortunately there are bad apples in every barrel. I've run across 1 or 2 who may be judged very harshely at their reckoning. Ive got no use for any of them.
Gene363 Offline
#18 Posted: Sat, Jul 23 2016, 1:26 PM EST
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Abrignac wrote:
Unfortunately there are bad apples in every barrel. I've run across 1 or 2 who may be judged very harshely at their reckoning. Ive got no use for any of them.


Yup, just look at cigar smokers. LOL
Covfireman Offline
#19 Posted: Sat, Jul 23 2016, 1:27 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
Was talking to a friend last night about this... he's a retired fireman and dislikes cops.. told me some abuse stories that surprised me... not a guy I thought I would here that from... Mellow



I think you'd be surprised about how prevalent that thought is . If they don't clean their own house how can they do their job? The hypocrisy has no bounds .
victor809 Offline
#20 Posted: Sat, Jul 23 2016, 4:00 PM EST
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I can't get to the article on my phone, but I just want to point out that everyone's experience with the police is different, depending on their class, their race, the location they live in and a million other factors. I've had great interactions with the police most of my life... (except for a d1ck who wouldn't let me board the metro with my bike during rush hour)...

You may be looking at this as a group practically begging for chaos and lawlessness to descend on them.

But think for a moment how bad your daily interactions with the police have to be, to decide that it may be better to risk lawlessness. These people aren't saying things would be great without the police. They're saying it would be less painful than their current life.
Speyside Offline
#21 Posted: Sat, Jul 23 2016, 4:40 PM EST
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Victor, even given these people's cultural bias and life experiences this is a bad idea for them. It is a given that there are some bad police officers. For discussion sake let's say that is 1%. I just picked a number, I have no idea what the real number is. That means 99% of law enforcement members they come in contact with are there to serve and protect them. No matter how bad they perceive their interactions with law enforcement might be it is a bad descision to increase your risk of being a victim of violent crime.
victor809 Offline
#22 Posted: Sat, Jul 23 2016, 4:51 PM EST
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That's from your perspective or my perspective.

All I'm saying is these people have weighed the pros and cons (to some degree and to whatever limited accuracy they may have, not saying they are right) and felt they would be better off.

I think people need to listen a little bit when someone says their interactions are so bad they think they may actually be better off without the police.

If someone tells you the pain in their leg is so bad they want it amputated, do you just tell them they're idiots and would never win a foot race with one leg? Or do you say "crap, that sounds bad... We should try to find out how to fix that leg, possibly without chopping it off"
Speyside Offline
#23 Posted: Sat, Jul 23 2016, 5:02 PM EST
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Fair point. From my perspective all I can say is they are hurting and afraid. I think their perception of the police is only a symptom of the problem. Certainly I am no expert in this area, but I do think systemic poverty is the real problem. They have no future, live in poverty, live in fear, receive poor medical care, have terrible schools and so on. I would rather we fix the problem, than we only fix a symptom.
teedubbya Offline
#24 Posted: Sat, Jul 23 2016, 6:21 PM EST
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In the past year or so I've had my own bad experience with over aggressive police, abuse of authority, and good team players that went along and covered for each other when you could tell they didn't want to. One of the officers was particularly aggressive and seemed to be trying to get me to hit him or at least make a sudden move. He was just looking for a reason and doing everything he could to escalate things. It got worse when they realized they made a mistake and began to collectively circle the wagons to cover their asses (lie) and tried to intimidate me. It didn't work. There was only one that was a decent human being and he gave me the impression he knew what they did was wrong but he had to go along with them. He did apologize when they were not around and told me I was a better man than him because he would have laid the beat down on one of them. Funny, his was the only name missing from the report.

Luckily I kept my head in the moment and have the resources to protect myself even though things are stacked in their favor. They can kill or beat you in the moment with near impunity, and the courts are stacked in their favor. Your best bet is to get the **** away from them in person and in court. Then avoid them like the plague.

I lost a lot of respect for the police in the last year, prior to that they had my 100% support. They have authority and with it comes responsibility, more than average joe with no authority. The animals killing them need to be put down but the popo need to act nothing like those animals. I expect way more from the good guys then the bad guys but what I saw was steroid or testosterone ham handed tactics not entirely different than the bad guys.

While I lost a lot of respect for the police, and my daughter saw how they treated me, I've been talking to her a lot about how they are the good guys, we need them, they thought they were doing right, and they just made a mistake. I don't really believe the "thought they were doing right part" but I need her trusting the police in the event she ever needs them. We all do.

I used to support the police period. Now I'm dubious of them at least locally. I have no doubt it varies locale to locale but I also have now doubt the culture of some departments encourages and hides this sort of behavior and have no doubt in some areas they do abuse the public. It's probably a rush to some including the Sgt. Studenko look alike that wanted to beat me down when I did nothing. He would have killed me without thinking about it and ordered a sammich when done.

its not mutually exclusive for some folks to want to clean up police behavior and others to want to protect police lives. Both are great causes I'm my opinion.

If I was in an area that saw what I saw frequently (the police from this department happen to be one of those such areas) I have no doubt it would wear on me and I would hate them. They need to clean it up but it won't happen because it's been going on for decades, is covered up by good soldiers/omertà , and is completely the bad guys fault not theirs. we need to clean up the streets and unfortunately some of the police departments around the country.


victor809 Offline
#25 Posted: Sat, Jul 23 2016, 6:34 PM EST
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TLDR: TW is back on the fence post.


:)
Speyside Offline
#26 Posted: Sat, Jul 23 2016, 6:35 PM EST
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^LMAO!
teedubbya Offline
#27 Posted: Sat, Jul 23 2016, 6:54 PM EST
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Damn straight. I don't want a bullet.
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#28 Posted: Sat, Jul 23 2016, 7:01 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
Damn straight. I don't want a bullet.



Was you caught shoplifting again..?


Think
teedubbya Offline
#29 Posted: Sat, Jul 23 2016, 7:03 PM EST
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Lol. You know, drinking key lime water in a Walmart is about the most radical thing I've done in a few decades.
teedubbya Offline
#30 Posted: Sat, Jul 23 2016, 7:04 PM EST
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In my instance I was ordered to put my hands down because it was aggressive. Up down whatever makes your target easier you bassard.
DrafterX Offline
#31 Posted: Sat, Jul 23 2016, 7:38 PM EST
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I struggle with this cause dad and grandpa were cops... I came real close to being one myself. . Turned down the job when it was offered... I've seen bad and good.. some take the authority figure way to far. ..I've been slapped around before... but I'm still on their side... Mellow
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#32 Posted: Sat, Jul 23 2016, 10:42 PM EST
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I've only run into one bad cop back when I was a teenager and I gave back what I could. It was very gratifying when he got canned. Good cops shouldn't cover for bad cops.
teedubbya Offline
#33 Posted: Sat, Jul 23 2016, 10:51 PM EST
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This was a group of 7.
teedubbya Offline
#34 Posted: Sat, Jul 23 2016, 10:51 PM EST
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The Sgt Studenko one I wouldn't piss on if he was on fire.
Gene363 Offline
#35 Posted: Sat, Jul 23 2016, 11:17 PM EST
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This thread reminds of another here:

http://www.cigarbid.com/...tects-cellphone-privacy

I posted the following on my experience getting pulled over while driving to Atlanta with my wife.

Gene363 wrote:

Just to make a point, if you think this would never apply to you, think again. Police are stopping all sort of people for who knows what reasons.

For example: The first weekend of June my wife and I were stopped by two sheriffs on our way to the Atlanta Blade Show, the largest knife show on the east coast. We drive to the show, speed all day looking and buying, have dinner, stay overnight and head home in the mourning. I was driving my wife's 1995 Camero because our truck was in the shop for repairs. We had our GPS on and it has a great speed indicator.

I was on I-20 going about 4 or 5 miles over the speed limit, other vehicles were traveling the same speed or much faster. As we approached an overpass I saw an law enforcement SUV in the shade of the overpass parked perpendicular to the flow of traffic. Looking in the rear view mirror I saw them pull out. I wasn't concerned about speed so I stayed with my speed and with traffic. As they came up I moved over thinking they wanted to pass. They stayed behind us and then turned on their blue lights.

I pulled over at a safe place, opened the window, kept my hands on the wheel and waited for them to come to the window. My wife meanwhile is asking what I had done, as she always keeps an eye on my speed; I have no idea. The two deputies confer before one goes to my wife's side and the other asked me to get out and step to the back of the car.

The deputy asked me where we were going and if we were staying overnight. Next asked about the venue several different ways as if to see if I was keeping my story straight(?). He asked if I was a knife seller, no just a collector. He wanted to know how many knives I had. I replied, "Are you going to tell my wife? Probably more than 200." The he says I noticed you changed lanes, were you afraid I was going to ticket you? "No, not really." The long list of questions was on my mind so I didn't tell him I thought I was getting out of your way. After all the questions he took my drivers license and asked to get back in the car.

When I get back in he car and my wife asks why we're not leaving. I tell her he has my drivers license. She replied, "OK then." She said the other deputy asked her if she was married. Then asked if she is married to me, where we were going and were we going to stay overnight. We are scratching our heads as the deputy returns my license, thanks us for our cooperation and give us the watch your speed and be careful sendoff.

We are both in our sixties. We dress and look like the grandparents we happen to be. They never asked to look in the car and our one bag was under the privacy cover in the truck. To this day I haven't a clue why they chose to stop us. While I resented all their questions and knew didn't have to answer, I also had a pretty good idea I'd end up with at least a ticket or worse if I didn't answer.
teedubbya Offline
#36 Posted: Sun, Jul 24 2016, 12:54 AM EST
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That actually sounds pleasant relatively speaking. I agree police abuse isn't always racist but suspect sometimes it is.
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#37 Posted: Sun, Jul 24 2016, 1:48 AM EST
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I always yell at them "YOU'RE BEING RECORDED, IS THIS BECAUSE I'M BLACK?" and then I just repeat "AM I BEING DETAINED?"
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#38 Posted: Sun, Jul 24 2016, 6:58 AM EST
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Gene363 wrote:
This thread reminds of another here:

http://www.cigarbid.com/...tects-cellphone-privacy

I posted the following on my experience getting pulled over while driving to Atlanta with my wife.



Just a guess but maybe they were watching for a vehicle meeting the description of yours. So they have to make up a bs reason to pull you over. I got pulled over once because I waited too long to accelerate after a red light turned green. The cop had seen me pull out of the Moose lodge where I had been working out with my sons. They were looking for an OMVI. The kids and sweaty t-shirts got me on my way a little quicker than you did.
Gene363 Offline
#39 Posted: Sun, Jul 24 2016, 2:35 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
That actually sounds pleasant relatively speaking. I agree police abuse isn't always racist but suspect sometimes it is.


Yes and no, I wanted to tell them to FO, respectfully of course. They had no business asking where I was going, if we were married or anything else other than licence, insurance and vehicle registration, but I knew they had the upper hand and could easily make my day hell if they chose. I also didn't want to say or do anything that would give them an excuse to kick my ass.

All these things were swirling in my head as I grew up in a California town where the cops were known to dish out attitude adjustments. A nearby city would routinely pull over teenage drivers, twice myself and a Japanese budy were pulled over with the (lame) excuse we fit the description of burglary suspects. Yup, apparently there was a burglary gang consisting of a tall blond guy and a medium build Japanese guy, yeah right. Ironically, I was/am on the cops side as I despise criminals, especially thieves.
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#40 Posted: Sun, Jul 24 2016, 3:21 PM EST
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Ya, thieves suck...
I think with the badge comes a sense of superiority. .. some can handle it and some can't. .. I could tell more stories but at the same time I wasn't always a very nice guy either. .. it took awhile to grow up and see the errors I made with some of my interactions... some of them... gotta have cops tho... Mellow
Gene363 Offline
#41 Posted: Sun, Jul 24 2016, 7:00 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
Ya, thieves suck...
I think with the badge comes a sense of superiority. .. some can handle it and some can't. .. I could tell more stories but at the same time I wasn't always a very nice guy either. .. it took awhile to grow up and see the errors I made with some of my interactions... some of them... gotta have cops tho... Mellow


True. As a teenager I was in juvenile court for a driving too slow traffic ticket that was total BS, the only ticket I didn't deserve of many. The judge said you get ticked once for about every twenty violations, tough sliding, pay the fine. I was pissed because it really was a BS ticket, but kept a poker face, 'cause in my head I was thinking it's more like two hundred to one. d'oh!

FWIW, the LA police officer pulled me over in my MG TD on the Golden State freeway, I was hand singling to move to the right, but he came up and perched in the right lane just behind so I didn't want to cut him off. He pulls me over, checked my license and registration, then does a complete safety check of the car, including showing the parking brake worked by stalling the engine when I let out on the clutch. The car was primered and didn't look good, but was tip top mechanically. When he couldn't find anything wrong he wrote me up for going 55mph, slower than traffic at 65mph.
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#42 Posted: Tue, Jul 26 2016, 10:12 AM EST
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wzlU0Xypur4
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#43 Posted: Tue, Jul 26 2016, 10:18 AM EST
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[insert picture of hilary clinton cropped into A Few Good Men court scene screaming "i am the law"]
DrafterX Offline
#44 Posted: Tue, Jul 26 2016, 1:36 PM EST
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ZRX1200 wrote:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wzlU0Xypur4



lock-em up and forget to feed them.... Mellow
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#45 Posted: Fri, Jul 29 2016, 7:04 AM EST
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DEVELOPING – One San Diego police officer was killed and another one wounded when a driver they stopped Thursday night opened fire on them in the latest in a series of cop shootings around the nation.

The suspected shooter was arrested, and police said they were not pursuing any other suspects. Neither the police officers' nor the alleged gunman's names were immediately released.

The determination that the killer acted alone followed a long manhunt in the city's Southcrest neighborhood involving SWAT teams, helicopters and squad cars.

Video footage showed officers out in force with numerous squad cars with emergency lights flashing lining a street, officers on foot, and a helicopter buzz overhead.

Police said the officers were shot while making a stop and immediately called for help. The officer who died was shot multiple times.


Pray Pray Pray
TMCTLT Offline
#46 Posted: Fri, Jul 29 2016, 7:15 AM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
DEVELOPING – One San Diego police officer was killed and another one wounded when a driver they stopped Thursday night opened fire on them in the latest in a series of cop shootings around the nation.

The suspected shooter was arrested, and police said they were not pursuing any other suspects. Neither the police officers' nor the alleged gunman's names were immediately released.

The determination that the killer acted alone followed a long manhunt in the city's Southcrest neighborhood involving SWAT teams, helicopters and squad cars.

Video footage showed officers out in force with numerous squad cars with emergency lights flashing lining a street, officers on foot, and a helicopter buzz overhead.

Police said the officers were shot while making a stop and immediately called for help. The officer who died was shot multiple times.


Pray Pray Pray



Sadly with the directive coming out of the WH and DOJ and BLM and the Clinton campaign....this won't end any time soon


RIP to the officer who lost his life to yet another low life.
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#47 Posted: Fri, Jul 29 2016, 8:06 AM EST
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I cannot understand why anyone would do this. Also I don't see how we can stop this. May the officer rest in peace. I simple do not have the words to express how I feel.
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