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OBAMA URGES AMERICANS TO TAMP DOWN INFLAMMATORY RHETORIC
DrafterX Offline
#51 Posted:
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well, that's better than staying in town and killing someone or being killed right..?? Huh
tonygraz Offline
#52 Posted:
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Abrignac wrote:
When all else fails it's time to play the race card??

Please elaborate. Who is a racist? Why is said person(s) a racist?


Easier to list those who are not racist. Why a racist, why not ask the guy who couldn't come up with the name of a white guy that was killed unnecessarily by police.
TMCTLT Offline
#53 Posted:
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tonygraz wrote:
I can - it's the racists that can't see both sides.





Which ones???? The Black racists or the White racists????......because they're BOTH a problem




tonygraz wrote:
Easier to list those who are not racist. Why a racist, why not ask the guy who couldn't come up with the name of a white guy that was killed unnecessarily by police.




Your what's known as " a race baitor " and a LAZY one @ that.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/fatal-police-shootings-in-2015-approaching-400-nationwide/2015/05/30/d322256a-058e-11e5-a428-c984eb077d4e_story.html
Speyside Offline
#54 Posted:
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Tony, yes there are a few racists here based on their commentary. It is very inappropriate and inaccurate to call most here racists. To me it seems anyone who disagrees with you about a racial issue is a racist in your eyes.
DrafterX Offline
#55 Posted:
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If you don't like what Tony had for lunch you're a racist in his eyes.. Mellow
Brewha Offline
#56 Posted:
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TMCTLT wrote:
Which ones???? The Black racists or the White racists????......because they're BOTH a problem


Your what's known as " a race baitor " and a LAZY one @ that.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/fatal-police-shootings-in-2015-approaching-400-nationwide/2015/05/30/d322256a-058e-11e5-a428-c984eb077d4e_story.html




I'm going to have to ask TW what a "racebaitor" is.....

Must be one of those rusty trumpet things....
DrafterX Offline
#57 Posted:
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sounds like a competition thing... he'll prolly know all about it... Mellow
tonygraz Offline
#58 Posted:
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Soup isn't racist without beans. Now yogurt is another story.
teedubbya Offline
#59 Posted:
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Brewha wrote:
I'm going to have to ask TW what a "racebaitor" is.....

Must be one of those rusty trumpet things....



It's when you self pleasure with different colored shoe polish
Speyside Offline
#60 Posted:
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Blue, pink, or both?
ZRX1200 Offline
#61 Posted:
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http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/aug/16/black-lives-matter-cashes-100-million-liberal-foun/
zitotczito Offline
#62 Posted:
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130 years ago:

http://www.nytimes.com/1861/06/26/news/the-riots-in-milwaukee.html

Recently:

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Justice/2011/0812/Wisconsin-State-Fair-mob-attack-Police-seek-hate-crime-charges

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=632_1312609529

Now:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yAR5O_j8kyA

Interesting.


tailgater Offline
#63 Posted:
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teedubbya wrote:
It's when you self pleasure with different colored shoe polish


But nothing that small is black.


Or something like that.

tailgater Offline
#64 Posted:
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Speyside wrote:
Tony, yes there are a few racists here based on their commentary. It is very inappropriate and inaccurate to call most here racists. To me it seems anyone who disagrees with you about a racial issue is a racist in your eyes.


Racist.



Speyside Offline
#65 Posted:
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Meh.
TMCTLT Offline
#66 Posted:
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zitotczito wrote:
130 years ago:

http://www.nytimes.com/1861/06/26/news/the-riots-in-milwaukee.html

Recently:

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Justice/2011/0812/Wisconsin-State-Fair-mob-attack-Police-seek-hate-crime-charges

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=632_1312609529

Now:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yAR5O_j8kyA

Interesting.









The more things change....the more they stay the same....fog
TMCTLT Offline
#67 Posted:
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tonygraz wrote:
Easier to list those who are not racist. Why a racist, why not ask the guy who couldn't come up with the name of a white guy that was killed unnecessarily by police.




THIS is the term in your post that no one really knows the answer to....since they start rioting and burning before the facts ever have a chance of coming out in the case @ hand.
DrafterX Offline
#68 Posted:
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John Dillinger.. Pretty Boy Floyd... Baby Face Nelson.. Mellow
cacman Offline
#69 Posted:
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tonygraz wrote:
Easier to list those who are not racist. Why a racist, why not ask the guy who couldn't come up with the name of a white guy that was killed unnecessarily by police.

2 guys & 2 girls
4 dead in east Ohio
- Jeffrey Glenn Miller
- Allison B. Krause
- William Knox Schroeder
- Sandra Lee Scheuer
DrafterX Offline
#70 Posted:
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Tin soldiers and Nixon coming,
We're finally on our own.
This summer I hear the drumming,
Four dead in Ohio..... Whistle Whistle
teedubbya Offline
#71 Posted:
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funny... the new second amendment defense email rolling around involves the use of the army to put down the bonus army protesters in the 1930's. It doesn't mention it was the Hoover Administration, or that the military (mostly national guard) has been used many times to put down a protest (causes they are not sympathetic to). Instead it claims this was somehow wiped from history (it has not) and it's the democrats fault and voting for them will assure this happening again.

The email is complete crap but the history is fascinating. It got resolved under FDR but he was against paying them early as well. The dems were no savior here. It's just funny how folks twist things to their benefit.
jjanecka Offline
#72 Posted:
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Weren't AR's banned under the last Clinton?
Brewha Offline
#73 Posted:
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teedubbya wrote:
funny... the new second amendment defense email rolling around involves the use of the army to put down the bonus army protesters in the 1930's. It doesn't mention it was the Hoover Administration, or that the military (mostly national guard) has been used many times to put down a protest (causes they are not sympathetic to). Instead it claims this was somehow wiped from history (it has not) and it's the democrats fault and voting for them will assure this happening again.

The email is complete crap but the history is fascinating. It got resolved under FDR but he was against paying them early as well. The dems were no savior here. It's just funny how folks twist things to their benefit.

When I listen to the todays administration I hear "we need better regulations and background checks".

When I hear the translation on Fox it is "Obama won't stop until he takes all your guns, and ammo, and gives them to criminals."


But I prolly shouldn't pick on Fox - just read the stuff people post here....
tailgater Offline
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Brewha wrote:
When I listen to the todays administration I hear "we need better regulations and background checks"..


What you should hear is "we need better regulations and background checks that we'll continue to ignore but we'll just keep piling up new laws and restrictions over the old ones in hopes that nobody will notice."


Brewha wrote:
When I hear the translation on Fox it is "Obama won't stop until he takes all your guns, and ammo, and gives them to criminals."


I don't recall the part about them admitting to giving the guns to criminals, but after each recent mass shooting there were more people asking the questions "why does anyone need those guns?".
If that's not a prelude to "take their guns away" then we're not speaking the same language.


The posturing by both sides is stupid. The NRA should embrace background checks but they fight them because the left is continuously moving the bar and redefining their "intent". It's not paranoia to think that the bans on so-called "assault" rifles today will be our hunting rifles tomorrow.

banning weapons is the firearms equivalent to Nancy's failed "Just Say No" drug policy.
Law abiding citizens will be the only group penalized or denied of their rights.

I know you know it. You just hate admitting it. Because your infatuation with all-things-Fox prevents you from being on the same page, if ever so briefly.
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Donald Trump keeps saying that Hillary Clinton wants to “essentially abolish the Second Amendment.” But the media fact checkers are having none of it. Last week, CNN called his accusation “persistent” and “false.” At the same time, a Washington Post editorial also called the claim “absurd.”

In his analysis for CNN, Eric Bradner acknowledges Clinton’s support for many different types of gun control -- a 25 percent tax on handguns, an assault weapons ban, repeal of laws allowing permitted concealed handguns, and background checks on the private transfer of guns. Clinton also has supported increased fees and a variety of regulations that her husband imposed. Thanks to Bill Clinton’s regulations, the number of licensed firearms dealers from 248,155 in 1992 to 67,479 in 2000 -- a 73 percent reduction.

The media picks and chooses when to take Clinton at her word. CNN pointed to a recent Fox News Sunday appearance where Hillary Clinton claimed: "I'm not looking to repeal the Second Amendment. I'm not looking to take people's guns away." The Washington Post noted a statement from her campaign website about how “gun ownership is part of the fabric of many law-abiding communities.”

But in June, ABC’s George Stephanopoulos pushed Clinton twice on whether people have a right to own guns. “But that's not what I asked. I said do you believe that their conclusion that an individual's right to bear arms is a constitutional right?” Clinton could only say: “If it is a constitutional right . . . .”

Similarly, in New York City in the fall, she told donors: “The Supreme Court is wrong on the Second Amendment, and I am going to make that case every chance that I get.” In Maryland in April, Chelsea Clinton promised that her mom would appoint to the Supreme Court justices who would overturn past decisions that struck down gun-control measures. But the only laws that the Supreme Court evaluated were complete gun bans and a law that made it a crime to use a gun.

Washington, D.C., had a complete handgun ban in place until 2008. It was also a felony, punishable by five years in prison, to put a bullet in the chamber of a gun. This amounted to a complete gun ban on using guns for self-defense. The U.S. Supreme Court’s ruling in District of Columbia v. Heller struck down that ban.

Clinton told Stephanopoulos her opinion of this ruling: “I think that for most of our history, there was a nuanced reading of the Second Amendment until the decision by the late Justice Scalia.” She continued, “There was no argument until then that localities and states and the federal government had a right, as we do with every amendment, to impose reasonable regulation.”

Clinton went on to talk about her push for expanded background checks, an issue that was irrelevant to Scalia’s decision in Heller. Instead, the question is why was D.C.’s local gun ban a “reasonable regulation.” Why should people be imprisoned for five years for defending their families?

In McDonald v. City of Chicago (2010), Supreme Court Justice Stephen Breyer wrote in his dissent: "I can find nothing in the Second Amendment’s text, history, or underlying rationale that could warrant characterizing it as ‘fundamental’ insofar as it seeks to protect the keeping and bearing of arms for private self-defense purposes.” Ruth Bader Ginsburg and Sonia Sotomayor signed on to Breyer’s opinion.

Breyer and Ginsburg were both appointed by President Bill Clinton. Sotomayor was Obama’s first nominee to the Supreme Court. Obama’s second nominee, Elana Kagan, would clearly have voted the same way had she been on the court at the time of McDonald. Indeed, Kagan served in Bill Clinton’s administration and helped lead the President’s gun control initiatives.

The Washington Post dismisses all this talk about the Supreme Court by saying that appointing Justices to the court “would not be anything like abolishing an amendment, which no court can do.” And it is true that the court can’t simply remove the amendment from the Constitution. But the media is appearing to be deliberately obtuse. If the court reverses Heller and McDonald and changes its interpretation of the Second Amendment as Hillary promises, what will really be left of the Second Amendment?

The media might not like to admit it, but The War on Guns is real. If Hillary wins in November, she will appoint Scalia’s successor and the Supreme Court will overturn the Heller and McDonald decisions. Make no mistake about it, the government will again be able to ban guns. Her claim that she isn't “looking to take people's guns away” is not consistent with her promise to overturn existing Supreme Court decisions.


Film at 11..... Mellow
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cacman wrote:
2 guys & 2 girls
4 dead in east Ohio
- Jeffrey Glenn Miller
- Allison B. Krause
- William Knox Schroeder
- Sandra Lee Scheuer



Not killed by police.
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I have to say I got in to a heated discussion with a coworker about the CZ 75 I'm looking at. I told her it was a semi auto with 18 +1 capacity and she freaked. The whole what kind of hunting would you do with that routine. I told her I don't intend to hunt with it nor do I need to justify a reason for wanting or having it. It was surreal.

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you shoulda asked her how many cats she had.... Mellow
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4 dead in Ohio
Tin soldiers and Nixon...
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