after i talked to one vet, i was told to just call the aspca poison control hotline
vet #2 told me that like with silica packs, the biggest issue is the packaging. since she did not eat the packaging, and both packages were easily more then half full, compared to a 3rd pack that she apparently decided to spare or was interrupted from destroying, it become more of a observe and report issue, then a hurry to vet issue. also since its unknown if it was eaten (beast took out a bottle of nasal spray and a contact 2 weeks ago) or when, it seemed to chill me out. paired with Ewoks, great tablet and my knowledge of metric conversion (thanks google), none of the values seemed close enough to worry me (im a bit laid back to doctors/vets). but like corey said, could have been anyone of us, so since you all helped, i will try to not bull$h1T this as much as i did in college: (fyi i rounded to higher values, because after the dog tries to eat boveda packs, what is really working in your favor?) (all figures are estimates***)
whats in a boveda 65% - 60 gram packets
Ingredients: CAS No. Percent
Water (Reverse Osmosis) 7732-18-5 50 to 67 ( 30 - 40 grams)
Sodium chloride 7647-14-5 8 to 13 (4.8-7.8 gtams)
Ammonium Chloride 12125-02-9 13 to 33 (7.8 - 20 grams)
Glycerin 56-81-5 10 to 29 (6 - 17.4 grams)
Xanthan gum 11138-66-2 0.5 to 1.0 ~.6 grams
Citric acid 77-92-9 0.01 to 0.5 ~.3 grams
Ewok explained what LD50 meant and the values are below
LD50 Oral:
Ammonium chloride Mouse 1300 mg/Kg so 1.3 g /kg
Rat 1650 mg/Kg so 1.65 g /kg
Sodium chloride Rat 3000 mg/Kg so 3 g / kg
Glycerin Rabbit 27 grams/Kg so 27/kg
Ammonium Chloride had the highest potential of concentration after water and was the closest value to being lethal to mouse. ( i low balled Cali weighing 20 kgs, but shes closer to 55-60 lbs but better to estimate on the high end then the low). even with the high end range estimate, and low ball weight the number was under, and apparent its also a possible medication prescribed by vets, see below:
Drug Name: Ammonium Chloride
Common Name: MEq-AC®, MEq-AC5®, UroEze®, UroEze-200®, Fus-Sol®
Drug Type: Urinary acidifyer
Used For: Bladder stones, Toxins that may be excreted in the urine
Species: Dogs, Cats
Administered: Tablets, Oral liquid, Injectable
FDA Approved: Yes
so not super worried here
Sodium Chloride -
per google
In dogs, a sodium chloride dose of 2 to 3 g/kg (87 to 130 mmol/kg) has been shown to cause signs of toxicosis, whereas a dose of 4 g/kg (174 mmol/kg) is lethal. Hypernatremia is defined as a serum sodium concentration greater than 155 mEq/L in dogs and greater than 162 mEq/L in cats.
8g at max in the boveda isnt anywhere near the 60-80 that would be bad....
Glycerin -
What is glycerin?
Glycerin , is a sweetener and binder (humectant) that is commonly produced as a byproduct of soap making. It has traditionally been used in dog food as a texturing and sweetening agent.
Common names for glycerin
The most common name variations include glycerol, vegetable glycerin or glycerine.
Why is glycerin included in dog food?
Glycerin is added to dog food for three key reasons: 1) as a binder for canned foods and treats (to make them chewy), 2) as a preservative against mold, and 3) as a sweetener.
Is glycerin a commonly used ingredient in dog food?
We found either “glycerin” or glycerol in 2.13% of the foods in our dog food ingredient database.
Common benefits or risks of glycerin
Glycerin doesn’t provide much nutritional benefit to your dog. Glycerin’s ‘benefits’ are related to its properties as a binder and sweetener.
Glycerin that is derived from animal and plant sources is generally considered a ‘safe’, albeit nutritionally void ingredient. oil pump silhouette in sunset However, some pet food manufacturers are using glycerin that is derived from biofuel (e.g. diesel fuel) processing. This leads to significant amounts of residual methanol (wood alcohol) and sodium that remain in the glycerin. Methanol, a flammable, poisonous liquid used in making formaldehyde, is not something that you want to feed your dog.
Take away: avoid foods and treats with glycerin in favor of those that explicitly list vegetable glycerin which does not contain the methanol risk.
Miscellaneous facts about glycerin
Glycerin is more common in treats than in regular food. It was an ingredient in 20% of the treats in our database which is 10 times the frequency of that in regular food.
Not concerned esp with such a high amount needed.
Xanthan gum 11138-66-2 0.5 to 1.0 ~.6 grams
Citric acid 77-92-9 0.01 to 0.5 ~.3 grams
too low of values, and she probably has had more of this stuff from simply eating gum she finds on the street.
NOW FOR SOME HELPFUL INFO -
the ASPCA poison hotline has exact values that could be toxic to your specific breed. its only 65$, but they can direct you if you need to go to a vet. I DID NOT TAKE THIS STEP YET AS IT SEEMED UNNECESSARY, BUT IF SHE WAS ACTING FUNNY, THEN I WOULDN'T HESISTATE. since none of the general sysmptons dogs display when ill were present, i just made sure all water bowls were filled with fresh water and took her out for an extra walk to promote drinking.
other useful boveda pack info :
4. First-aid measures:
Ingestion:
If the pouch contents are swallowed, DO NOT INDUCE VOMITING. Give large quantities of water. Never give anything by
mouth to an unconscious person. Get medical attention immediately. A small quantity of this material will normally produce
negligible effects in an adult. If the contents are consumed by a child under 50 pounds, a physician should be consulted.
11. Toxicological Information
This product is a water solution comprised of chloride, sodium chloride, and xanthan gum so any toxic
effect of these salts is diluted.
LD50 Oral:
Ammonium chloride Mouse 1300 mg/Kg
Rat 1650 mg/Kg
Sodium chloride Rat 3000 mg/Kg
Glycerin Rabbit 27 grams/Kg
Ewok pretty much saved the day, but hopefully this will help the next idiot who leaves his stuff laying about. thanks all for the concern