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2018 Spring mystery cigar reviews with a twist
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#151 Posted:
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Thank God it was better than #1, I felt awful reading the review!
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#152 Posted:
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abjd14 wrote:
Great reviews Tom. Spot on on all 3.
#3 was a LP UF-13
#1 Fuente R44
#2 Tatuaje P2- I liked your visual of blocking the leaks. Sorry it didn't hold up.

Glad you enjoyed the liga. They are by favorite my favorite flavor profile. You might like a smaller rg a little more. Lp-dirty rat has a small rg.

And yes. I will tackle an authentic Cuban sandwich . Being close to NYC we can get most.authentic anything. But I like to cook and always to try to recreate traditional foods.

I assume you meant to transpose #1 and #2 correct? As in the exploding one was the Tat? . Bought a box of these tats before and always liked them at first but disappointed later....but never as bad as that one. I love the brown label and red label tats though.

Now I can't believe I didn't guess Fuente R44 as I buy lots of those and the look and flavor fooled me. I always experienced a creamy vs a pepper flavor before and the rosado wrapper not usually so varied in color. Also I didn't notice the light box press I am used to seeing. I almost dropped one in your package but grabbed the 858 sungrown instead.

I read a lot of reviews on LP and have always meant to try so glad I did. Lucky guess. I think I had a Papa Fritas once but not impressed. Definitely going to try some rats.

Glad you enjoyed the Black Diamond as it seemed to fit your profile....you might have enjoyed the Hedley grange better with less age. Mine have lost a bit of kick after 2 years.
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#153 Posted:
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Cigar #2 review - Robusto

Had the day off and found time to get into it this afternoon.

Prelight - light and grassy a bit of a floral undertone. Draw a bit tight. Wrapper is shiny.

1/3 no real powerful flavor - no pepper, spice or sweet. On the far left end of mild. Taste is solid, but nothing that says wow. I paired with a Sun King Wee Muckle as I had a growler fill that needed finished and it was way overpowering for this cigar. I never realized how much I paired my drink to compliment what I'm smoking before now. So far 0 for 2.

2/3 staying one dimensional floral grassy flavor staying consistent.

3/3 slight change in flavor, not really bitter maybe I should say citrus notes on the floral.

I kept trying to think of things to write but it would be an embellishment. It's a solid mild cigar, one to pass out to buddies playing golf or cornhole. It's a good one to start with but would want to have another for a night cap.

This is the yard gar and just to take a guess on what it is I'd say Montesino.

Thanks Shaun. I'm looking forward to #1. The girls are having cousins over for a sleepover so hopefully I get to it tonight.
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#154 Posted:
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Well I should have read up on the montesino before guessing and posting. Other than being the mild that I remember the profile doesn't fit so I'm definitely wrong... cant wait to see what it is.
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#155 Posted:
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if you ever have another, do not corn hole it.
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#156 Posted:
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Would that be considered a back door lewinski?
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#157 Posted:
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Do I dare ask what that is?
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#158 Posted:
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If you have to ask...
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#159 Posted:
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Nah, I'm just gonna assume it's similar to a back door Lewinsky...
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#160 Posted:
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It's a Sneaky Pete.

Or a lucky Pierce if you're Victor
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#161 Posted:
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Cornhole is like horseshoes. Corn hole-ing a cigar is the back door lewinski and not recommended with buddies.

Just finished cigar #1. I think I was wrong on #3. Review coming tomorrow.
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#162 Posted:
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Cigar #1 Triple cap - Toro, maybe double robusto? 6x52/4

Prelight - creamy dessert/woody. Punched draw was loose with a hearty woody flavor. Starting with a sprite and will pour something after I get going this time.

1/3 - Getting cedar, trying to convince myself it's Cuban but the large size is confusing me and it's not like any I've ever had. Ash is white and the burn is wavy but staying even. Decided I think the Stout that Shaun included in the trade would be a good match, but I think anything would have been a good match with this cigar. Shaun that beer was right in the sweet spot for me. Excellent choice. This cigar is very woody and rugged seems to be rough around the edges. Burn is starting to get uneven but I'm letting it go for now.

2/3 - I'm really enjoying this cigar. The ruggedness has seemed to settle down and has mellowed out. Flavor I'm getting is more of a mild wood chip used for smoking before lighting them. I've decided the flavor profile is likely on the strong side of medium. This woody flavor is something I know I haven't experienced to compare to. Ash fell of at two inches. There is no taper on the cherry, burn is level with the middle staying with the diameter. I'm intrigued because I've made my mind up this is Cuban and in my inexperience I could be smoking something really special or a fantastic "budget" house blend. I've decided I'm just going to enjoy it and stop sleuthing.

3/3 - Flavor has shifted a bit more to a buttery cream dessert woody. I had finished the stout and with the cigar becoming a bit creamy popped open a bottle of rhubarb wine. Another good pairing. Ash fell off at 1.5 and had to retouch. The bite is picking up. This just became excellent. The flavor changes have been subtle and complex. I'm pretty sure I've just smoked the high end and I'm doubting regardless of what it cost I'm am going to be able to go out and buy it as I think this has some good age on it.


Great choices Shaun. Each one was very different. I think after smoking the order is the same as when I pulled them out and compared before smoking any.

Cigar #1 - High end aged Cuban

Cigar #2 - Low end mellow yard gar

Cigar #3 - Medium end that likely only qualified due to using the box price on sale.

I also think my guesses are all wrong and I have no idea what any of them are. Can't wait to hear the results.
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#163 Posted:
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Very fun thread/event glad we were able to do it again. At first I was a little disappointed getting the same person as last year and then again when I found out that we were sending to each other. But after the fact I think I found it a little more fun sending back and forth to the same person rather than sending down the list and getting from above. Sorry if none of that made sense.

So, think I would be cool next time if everyone wad split up into pairs and jist exchanged with each other then they get thru both get that commeraderie of reviewing the cigars each sent and the extra bonus stuff. There is nothing wrong with the original way and some might disagree I just think pairing makes it slighly more fun.

IN CONCLUSION... LOVE THIS IDEA! SUMMER SPRING BLIND TASTE?
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#164 Posted:
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Whoops meant to just say anither in the summer?
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#165 Posted:
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Just Relax wrote:
Cornhole is like horseshoes. Corn hole-ing a cigar is the back door lewinski and not recommended with buddies.

Just finished cigar #1. I think I was wrong on #3. Review coming tomorrow.

I go to a Blues Festival every August......they have a food booth called "The Corn Hole", that sells popcorn, corndogs, corn on the cob, etc. Last year I pcked up one of their T-Shirts......I Ate at the Cornhole.....my wife finds it embarrasingThink

And if your doing the "back door Lewinski" with your buddies, you must have some very (ahem) "deep rooted friendships"LOL
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#166 Posted:
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Finally smoked #1 from Dan today.
Size 5x46
Wrapper-light color, light in the hand and firm with no soft spots. Triple cap with a few imperfections with wrapper.
Punch cut and paired with a Bayern Dragon’s Breath brew.
Cold draw releases a sweet tobacco flavor.
Starts off with a mild hit of spice and sweet bread notes. Mild in strength with ample amount of smoke.
First third producing leathery taste with carmamel notes. Minor touch up needed to straighten the burn line.
Spice has disappeared with a crooked ash hanging. Half way mark and sweet bread is still present,
The ash finally fell on my hoidie🙄
Coming into the final third I taste some creamy leather as well. This is a very pleasing mild cigar. I would give it a B+ in flavor but a C+ in wrapper apperearance due to the blemishes and crooked ash.
My guess is this was the medium priced cigar but don’t know what exactly I smoked. I would smoke more of these especially in the morning or empty stomach. After an enjoyable hour I put it down with about a half inch left.
Thanks Dan, looking forward to smoking the other two.
Chazbo
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#167 Posted:
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Cigar #1 4.7"×46 triple cap slightly crooked.some slight discoloration around two visible veins. Very oily slightly redish brown wrapper. Very firm roll with no soft spots.

Prelight is sour bread.

1/3rd: toasted foot (small crack in wrapper) first impression is salty meat and floral. Reminds me of a CC RyJ. Burn line is slightly wavy but no touchup required. Starting to get some oak in there. So far that's the only transition. Very straight medium to me and that's good.

2/3rd: starting to get hints of sweetness and the ash is still holding strong. The saltiness has faded, and of course the ash just fell LMAO....settled into heavier oak and slight cream but that's more mouthful (oily). Salt is still slightly present.

3/3rd: running out of room for the large band. Ash holding again, this is well constructed and the burn did correct the small wave. The cigar has calmed into one note charred oak (not my thing) but we're proceeding ahead. Ash fell again! Letting this go with an inch left as its getting hot.

Overall? Tastes Cuban (also ehen I clipped it there was some rolled over tobacco under the cap and a inverted nipple indentation on the top) but the wrapper really stumped me on this one. The final third tasted like a Connecticut wrapped dominican. My guess would be mid priced but I'll wait till all three are done for final impression. Off to work now, thanks for the fine cigar Rick!
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#168 Posted:
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Jamie's number 3 is a chocolatey brown Churchill and is also not a Gurkha, and came with its original cello wrap which is brown and crispy. I almost never smoke Churchills. Sometimes when camping and sitting in the hammock, or by the fire, I will smoke a Churchill. Never finish em. I can't recall the last churchill cigar I've brought to the garage.

Per routine, will live post the smoke, typing it up on my phone as I smoke just writing whatever I'm thinking about the cigar. Already several beers in today so I'll probably be a bit more wordy.

Rich barn aroma to the wrapper, some dusty hay spice tickled the sinuses. Nicely rolled, very very firm. Hopefully it will be open enough to smoke.

Clipped the Nicely done triple cap. Cold draw is sweet, smooth no sneezy. Pretty tight, but should work.

First light is pretty loaded. Spice, cedar, leaves with a background sweetness. Not much smoke, but flavor is rich. Pepper in the sinuses is mild on retrohale but does increase lingering sweetness.

I'm noticing the strength already. Weird, I can usually get through anything without noticing it till the end. Took a bit of sugar on with a half and half bourbon and maple syrup shot. Guts settling. Put my feet up in the recliner. Racecar rear bumper in the way of a full recline.

Chocolate notes on the finish, loads of cedar spice. Draw is tight, almost no smoke coming from this cigar. But it's burning evenly and no hot spots I can feel. Usually low smoke is tunneling, but it's burning correctly. Just not very Smokey. Foot smokes more than the draw, kinda reminds me of a Liga Privada in that sense. Full flavor on every draw though.

Much more cedar spice coming through. Has a retrohale burn, but not so peppery more like sneezing from cedar sawdust.

I'm enjoying this a lot. Came in 100% that is was the middle smoke given the prior two. But it's hitting a lot of marks I look for. Still pegging it in the middle because the #2 was a shape reserved for top shelf. But flavor and performance to the halfway mark so far has been compatible with high end. Age I'm sure has helped, I do prefer strong cigars to have a few years of rest, or mid-mid.

Strangely enough the flavors mellowed out rather than ramped up. I'm about an hour fifteen in and finding myself forcing the draw with consecutive puffs. Slight sour flavors come when I rush it. But it recovers nicely. Definitely a well made cigar. I re-read my #2 review to compare, I'm gonna stick with keeping this in the mids.

Flavor may have flattened out but strength has not. This thing's kicking my ass. Been on the verge of green most of the smoke. Hit me an inch or so in. The syrup n bourbon shot helped but it's worn off. Pretty sure I'll puke on this one. This makes a Cain F lance look like a party short. Usually don't feel the strength when I been drinking but this is STRONG.

Finally got to the well aged flavors. The creamy sweet nutty flavor I love so much. Unfortunately I can't go much longer. There is a hint of ammonia in the retrohale, and I'm picking up more heavy tar notes. Pretty much my experience with churchills is you can't smoke the whole thing. It's just on the verge of souring, as am I.

Gonna call it. I can't finish. 1:48 smoking time.

Gonna peg it mid, Nicaraguan, well aged.

#1 yard gar
#2 high end DR
#3 mid Nicaraguan

So, Z, what were they?
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#169 Posted:
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Just Relax wrote:
Cigar #1 Triple cap - Toro, maybe double robusto? 6x52/4

Prelight - creamy dessert/woody. Punched draw was loose with a hearty woody flavor. Starting with a sprite and will pour something after I get going this time.

1/3 - Getting cedar, trying to convince myself it's Cuban but the large size is confusing me and it's not like any I've ever had. Ash is white and the burn is wavy but staying even. Decided I think the Stout that Shaun included in the trade would be a good match, but I think anything would have been a good match with this cigar. Shaun that beer was right in the sweet spot for me. Excellent choice. This cigar is very woody and rugged seems to be rough around the edges. Burn is starting to get uneven but I'm letting it go for now.

2/3 - I'm really enjoying this cigar. The ruggedness has seemed to settle down and has mellowed out. Flavor I'm getting is more of a mild wood chip used for smoking before lighting them. I've decided the flavor profile is likely on the strong side of medium. This woody flavor is something I know I haven't experienced to compare to. Ash fell of at two inches. There is no taper on the cherry, burn is level with the middle staying with the diameter. I'm intrigued because I've made my mind up this is Cuban and in my inexperience I could be smoking something really special or a fantastic "budget" house blend. I've decided I'm just going to enjoy it and stop sleuthing.

3/3 - Flavor has shifted a bit more to a buttery cream dessert woody. I had finished the stout and with the cigar becoming a bit creamy popped open a bottle of rhubarb wine. Another good pairing. Ash fell off at 1.5 and had to retouch. The bite is picking up. This just became excellent. The flavor changes have been subtle and complex. I'm pretty sure I've just smoked the high end and I'm doubting regardless of what it cost I'm am going to be able to go out and buy it as I think this has some good age on it.


Great choices Shaun. Each one was very different. I think after smoking the order is the same as when I pulled them out and compared before smoking any.

Cigar #1 - High end aged Cuban

Cigar #2 - Low end mellow yard gar

Cigar #3 - Medium end that likely only qualified due to using the box price on sale.

I also think my guesses are all wrong and I have no idea what any of them are. Can't wait to hear the results.


Loved reading your reviews, it is was if I was smoking the cigars myself. Here is what they were

1- Sobremesa (medium)
2- Tat L'Esprit de Verite 2013 (high end)
3- Shadow Kings (low end)

Sorry the high end Tat didn't work out for you. I ashed one rott and thought it was good and the rest have been sitting in my humi since the release. Hoping it was a dud possibly. The Sobremesa is one from when they were first released as well, can't remember when that was exactly. I like them and get much the same from them as you did. The Shadow King is an AJ blend for a competitor, I can pm you the info if you like. I like a lot of AJ blends but find they need some rest to take that harsh edge off of most of them. I found this one and loved it immediately. Think there was about a month in the humi on the one I sent you. Glad you had fun with this and I could contribute to that.
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#170 Posted:
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Shaun,

I figured I would be completely backwards and in the back of my mind was hoping 3 was something I could pick up cheap. It looks like they are only sold one place though one result was from an auction house I might check out. Pm if I'm not correct as I will be picking this up and keeping on supply.

The sobremesa was very unique. It had me tricked as I didn't think it was Cuban but with my limited experience was thinking it was just a profile I hadn't experienced yet and talked myself into it. Reading the description when it mellowed out nutty probably would have been a better adjective than smoking chips. I'll be watching to pick up a 5er to have on hand but I'm doubtful they go on sale.

With 2 that pretty much seals it for me that I'm not a tat fan. I've had about 5 different blends, some better than others but at the price point of each all have been just ok. None terrible but none have knocked my socks off. I just thought I overhyped them in my mind with the seemingly consensus opinion of excellence from others that my expectations are set too high, but they just must not be meant for me.

Thanks again for the selection and I enjoyed the experience. It has shown me a different way to enjoy cigars.
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#171 Posted:
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You are correct about the spot for those Shadow Kings.
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#172 Posted:
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Just Relax wrote:
Shaun,

I figured I would be completely backwards and in the back of my mind was hoping 3 was something I could pick up cheap. It looks like they are only sold one place though one result was from an auction house I might check out. Pm if I'm not correct as I will be picking this up and keeping on supply.

The sobremesa was very unique. It had me tricked as I didn't think it was Cuban but with my limited experience was thinking it was just a profile I hadn't experienced yet and talked myself into it. Reading the description when it mellowed out nutty probably would have been a better adjective than smoking chips. I'll be watching to pick up a 5er to have on hand but I'm doubtful they go on sale.

With 2 that pretty much seals it for me that I'm not a tat fan. I've had about 5 different blends, some better than others but at the price point of each all have been just ok. None terrible but none have knocked my socks off. I just thought I overhyped them in my mind with the seemingly consensus opinion of excellence from others that my expectations are set too high, but they just must not be meant for me.

Thanks again for the selection and I enjoyed the experience. It has shown me a different way to enjoy cigars.


Agree with you on Tats. Like Fuente, they just don’t seem to work for my palate.

If you’re interested in Sobremesa, PM me. Each vitola is a different take on the blend with varying strengths and tweaked flavor profiles. I’ve found a few I love and a few that are too mild for me. You can find them at a decent price, but your not going to find them at DP Newall prices.
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#173 Posted:
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Also, I’m a lot more interested in the Shadow King now after hearing from you and Shaun. I passed it by before, as a shop exclusive.
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#174 Posted:
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Damn it. Do one for April and I'm in. I have literally thousands of cigars lol.
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#175 Posted:
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Blind cigar #2:

6x50 ish Toro with a chocolate brown toothy wrapper and a single cap. Plenty of soft spots. Pushing assumptions to yard gar. Cut, put in my mouth to smoke in garage while I get some work done on the older step son's race bike (bmx). Prelight draw is TOO easy but has a nice fermented sourdough taste.

1/3rd: starts out very nice, tastes like a cheap DC Maximus knockoff minus the raisin but a touch of pepper. Wrapper might be maduro, might not. Can't really place much (maybe shouldn't have done this while turning Allen wrenches and cussing at a bike). Burn is wavy, had to touch up but not major.

2/3rd: starting to get bitter and I don't understand why, I normally puff at a fast rate but I'm not on this and the ring gauge should be helping this. Purge. Better. Starting to get a little toasted peanut, still getting a touch of pepper and still woody. Gets sour again.....purged again.

3/3rd: purge took. It is staying toasty and is staying pleasant with no changes. Stays this way to the end, put down with 1 1/2" left as I finished this on the way to work and I gotta go look important.

Overall I liked it a fair amount minus the miscues in the middle. Don't know that I'd buy it. It tasted like a Dominican/Honduran reminding me of a cross between a cheap Fuente and a Rocky Patel. Oh....when I went to the garage before lighting my wet lips showed it was actually a triple cap forgot to mention that. I would guess cheapie or mid but there is one left to get to.
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#176 Posted:
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Mystery Cigar #3....5.5x40 Maduro....paired with a Coffee Porter from a local NH brewer
PLA-Chocolate and baking spices....PLD-Tight.......PLFlavors.....Dry cocoa
Construction-very dark with an oily sheen....firm, no soft spots, with a very slight tooth , beautiful construction, Triple cap

Punch cut....toasted foot and easily lit
Initial draw-Cocoa with a dry sweetness......a little nicotine on the tongue

1/3: Delicious, but strong on the nicotine--this cigar may kick my ass. Lots of smoke....
has a flavor as if you were mixing a dry brownie mix and accidently got a bit of "brownie dust" up your nose....
Retrohale gives flavors of espresso, raisin, and cedar....oily on the lips......ash fell after one inch

2/3: Ash is very delicate, falls easily and without warning.....every 1/2 inch or so
Cocoa has disappeared-more of a coffee/espresso (very light and delicate) flavors.
The coffee porter seems to enhance the coffee notes in the cigar(very nice choice on the pairing)
Burn line is very even, a couple of minor deviations, but they easily self-corrected.
Very smooth- slightly floral notes creeping in---really starting to feel the nic kick...spicy and peppery tingle on the tongue

3/3: Cocoa is back...cigar is at the upper end of medium- high strength.....I'm definitely feeling the nicotine...
Burn went wonky a couple of times,but self corrected.....Flavors are going back and forth from cocoa to coffee
spicy and peppery, maybe even a touch of cinnamon.....had to put it to bed with about a 3/4 inch nub, after enjoying it for an hour and 50 minutes....

I'm torn here between the #2 and #3 cigars being the high end......they were both fantastic smokes......
the #3 was definitely stronger than I usually smoke, I have to admit, I did get the nic sweats and head buzz.....

I'm going to say the:
#1 was the yard gar due to construction issues
#2 was the High end....at least due t o my enjoyment of it
#3 was the medium range.....but very close to being high end
Thanks Yaro, I enjoyed smoking and reviewing all of these, and I'm looking forward to getting out and trying your hand tied flies in the near future...
.I'll keep you posted with my success....or lack of ...LoL
Thanks, Rick
I'll open your envelope in a day or so, after my reviews settle for a day or two, or you can fill us in on whether I was right or wrong......
I'm not even gonna try to pinpoint the brands......to many brands I know nothing about
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#177 Posted:
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Yaro,
You still under the weather? Hope you are feeling better.

David
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#178 Posted:
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stinger88 wrote:
Yaro,
You still under the weather? Hope you are feeling better.

David


Dave, i am alternating between being free and snowed or rain. or being unavailable to enjoy or in this case review a cigar and excellent weather.

thought i would be able to sneak one in at local bar that i used to smoke with the bartender, and low and behold its the day where they close early so i had to settle for something not from the reivew stack.

soon i hope, soon
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#179 Posted:
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RMAN4443 wrote:
Mystery Cigar #3....5.5x40 Maduro....paired with a Coffee Porter from a local NH brewer
PLA-Chocolate and baking spices....PLD-Tight.......PLFlavors.....Dry cocoa
Construction-very dark with an oily sheen....firm, no soft spots, with a very slight tooth , beautiful construction, Triple cap

Punch cut....toasted foot and easily lit
Initial draw-Cocoa with a dry sweetness......a little nicotine on the tongue

1/3: Delicious, but strong on the nicotine--this cigar may kick my ass. Lots of smoke....
has a flavor as if you were mixing a dry brownie mix and accidently got a bit of "brownie dust" up your nose....
Retrohale gives flavors of espresso, raisin, and cedar....oily on the lips......ash fell after one inch

2/3: Ash is very delicate, falls easily and without warning.....every 1/2 inch or so
Cocoa has disappeared-more of a coffee/espresso (very light and delicate) flavors.
The coffee porter seems to enhance the coffee notes in the cigar(very nice choice on the pairing)
Burn line is very even, a couple of minor deviations, but they easily self-corrected.
Very smooth- slightly floral notes creeping in---really starting to feel the nic kick...spicy and peppery tingle on the tongue

3/3: Cocoa is back...cigar is at the upper end of medium- high strength.....I'm definitely feeling the nicotine...
Burn went wonky a couple of times,but self corrected.....Flavors are going back and forth from cocoa to coffee
spicy and peppery, maybe even a touch of cinnamon.....had to put it to bed with about a 3/4 inch nub, after enjoying it for an hour and 50 minutes....

I'm torn here between the #2 and #3 cigars being the high end......they were both fantastic smokes......
the #3 was definitely stronger than I usually smoke, I have to admit, I did get the nic sweats and head buzz.....

I'm going to say the:
#1 was the yard gar due to construction issues
#2 was the High end....at least due t o my enjoyment of it
#3 was the medium range.....but very close to being high end
Thanks Yaro, I enjoyed smoking and reviewing all of these, and I'm looking forward to getting out and trying your hand tied flies in the near future...
.I'll keep you posted with my success....or lack of ...LoL
Thanks, Rick
I'll open your envelope in a day or so, after my reviews settle for a day or two, or you can fill us in on whether I was right or wrong......
I'm not even gonna try to pinpoint the brands......to many brands I know nothing about



you did solid brother. happy yo found some you liked. i wont play spolier thou.

good reviews man. sorry #1 ppooped out on you man.
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#180 Posted:
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ypetryna wrote:
you did solid brother. happy yo found some you liked. i wont play spolier thou.

good reviews man. sorry #1 ppooped out on you man.

1,2,3 Am i missing something? Isn't it time to reveal what they all were?
ypetryna Offline
#181 Posted:
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tamapatom wrote:
1,2,3 Am i missing something? Isn't it time to reveal what they all were?


hes got the envelope with the bands, its his reveal!


plus i didnt take a photo, and wrote down at home.

i believe he did get the category right thou
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#182 Posted:
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tamapatom wrote:
1,2,3 Am i missing something? Isn't it time to reveal what they all were?

#1 was Xikar HC Series White Shade Grown......yard Gar

#2 was a Cohiba........High end?.....very nice.....I don't really know much about these

#3 was a brown banded Tat.....not sure of the actual blend.....Medium to high end.....
This was a great smoke, a little strong but lots of flavor

Could you fill me in on the terminology of #2 and #3,so if I go looking for them, I know what to ask for....they were both fantastic smokes and I'd like to see if I can get a few of them to keep on hand.....I already have several of the HC Series and I like them
Thanks Yaro this was an awesome treat for me and I really enjoyed it
Thanks chazbo for setting this up......I'm already looking forward to the next oneBeer
ypetryna Offline
#183 Posted:
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RMAN4443 wrote:
#1 was Xikar HC Series White Shade Grown......yard Gar

#2 was a Cohiba........High end?.....very nice.....I don't really know much about these

#3 was a brown banded Tat.....not sure of the actual blend.....Medium to high end.....
This was a great smoke, a little strong but lots of flavor

Could you fill me in on the terminology of #2 and #3,so if I go looking for them, I know what to ask for....they were both fantastic smokes and I'd like to see if I can get a few of them to keep on hand.....I already have several of the HC Series and I like them
Thanks Yaro this was an awesome treat for me and I really enjoyed it
Thanks chazbo for setting this up......I'm already looking forward to the next oneBeer



not a problem, will update when i get home,

#1 sounds spot one - age info at home

#2 cohiba Robusto - age info at home - high range

# 3 Tat havana Vi - size and maybe age info at home - mid range

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danmdevries wrote:
Only my second or third cigar in 2018. I'll write the post as I smoke.

Jamie's number one cigar which is not a Gurkha. Light colored robusto, slightly spongy, ok by me, I prefer a more open draw.

Smells like dry tobacco. barn/hay/crap Wrapper's nothing special to look at, and the weight vs size in the hand is really skewing my impression to yard gar before I've even cut the cap off.

Cut the cap, cold draw is dried tobacco - sweet and raisin

First light brings me back to my first few premium cigars. When you haven't smoked a while, there's certain flavors that come out that are just lost when you smoke more often.

First inch is already going wrong. Had a good toast and even light, but only half of the cigar wants to burn. One side is 1/2: down, the other is well over an inch canoe burn. Tried to correct but it's already souring. I'm gonna cut off the foot a half inch past lowest burn line, see if I can't get more smoking time from it.

Flavor is inoffensive, but not much there. Harsh on retrohale but not a peppery bite, more like a horseradish burn - no discernable flavor, just burn. Lingering flavor in the mouth is burnt wood. Overall that's really the only flavor coming through is burning leaves/twigs.

I cut it off and re lit.

On the restart it's still struggling to burn straight. I can feel a good bit of heat about 2" from the head. Definitely some tunnel burn happening. It's pretty foul at this point and I"m going to toss it. He says it's not a Gurkha, but it smoked like one. Only about 15-20 minutes smoking time.

Without hesitation I'm calling this yard gar. I think if I got one without the burn isssues it might work as a yard gar, it's a pretty straightforward flavor. Inoffensive but unimpressive. Think this may be an Alec Bradley or a Kristoff product, it mirrors my experience with them - could be good, but construction is seriously lacking.

Cigar #1 is Yard Gar.


Cigar #1 is a 2014 H Upmann Royal Robusto. High end. I feel awful as this was in my large travel humidor because of the nick on the wrapper I didn't want it to get damaged further. I enjoyed the others I traded wallet candela's for with a BOTH here. I thought they were very good not excellent, but never had construction issues. I suspect not being turned led to uneven humidity. I owe you a not huge vitola high end.



Cigar numberr 2 from Jamie is a dark chocolatey colored salomon. Per routine, I'll live post my impressions.

Feels and smells fantastic. Smells lightly of barnyard, the roll is exceptionally tight - concerned with draw once I get it going. I've had issues with most of the semi-closed tapered foot cigars I've had in the past. They never seem to light straight. I'm going to give this one a standard light and see how it does. Pretty sure it's the high end just off look and feel.

Cut the torpedo cap off on an angle. Cold draw is a huge load of black pepper. Made my eyes water and triggered a sneeze. Some raisiny sweetness in there as well.

First light is a huge blast of black pepper, with some cedar wood in the background. It's already burning very unevenly, got past the nipple tip and one side's running away while the other is stagnant. Attempting touchup, it's now close to an inch difference.

Touchup was successful,it's now at the widest part of the bulb and fairly even. The foot puts off a lot of smoke, but the draw is not a huge smoke volume. It's strong. Already feeling it. Putting my feet up and swinging the recliner back.


It's a lot sweeter now. Sweet cedar wood, some nutty bits but big pepper on retrohale. Mouth feels coated in oils. I'm digging it. Money's on this being Dominican by the flavor profiles, and I'd bet it's an LFD. Fuente's IMO are less spicy and more savory while LFD is the opposite.

Working its way back up the taper it's picked up a lot of sweetness. Buttery vanilla pecan like nutty flavors linger. Still has the big pepper and cedar but it's much more balanced now. Had to do another touchup but the cigar took it well.

This is a phenomenal smoke. It's the high end.

About halfway. The sweeter savory bits are more prominent but retrohale still makes my eyes water with the pepper. Cedar and pepper big up front on retrohale but when it settles it's just very rich savory pecans and butter/vanilla. Feels like my mouth has a layer of lard everything's coated.

Retouched again, and recut the head to a straight cut. Again the cigar took the touchup in stride and is burning evenly without change in flavors.

I can't say enough about this rich savory flavor. It's like I had a stick of butter in my mouth, everything's oiled up. Without a doubt this is the high end. Cedar wood, black pepper, pecans, butter, vanilla. High end Dominican flavor profile. This would pair really well with a strong dry drink dry red wine, or neat bourbon. I only brought a Dr Pepper with me to the garage.

Gonna cut the review now, got about 2.5" left but I'm gonna pull up something to watch on my laptop and just enjoy the remainder without worrying about continuing the review.

Thank you ZRX for this fantastic smoke. I'm pegging it high end, LFD or at least from DR. If this is from anywhere else I'll eat my shorts. It's also got a fair bit of age under it.

Cigar #2 is an old Padilla 1968 Oscuro limitada 2009. Yard gar. You won't find any info on these, they were a CI only deal and were very short lived. Don't mistake these for the regular Padilla 1968 maduro. These were sold in mazos of 10 for $49.99 I believe and didn't sell until some reviews were posted then they were GONE. Todd or Jules I believe wrote a great review or I never would have bought any. They lightly plumed quickly, that was my last one. Glad you enjoyed it, I believe it was Honduran/Nicaraguan BTW and I have no clue on the wrapper. I gave SvenR and Trish a ration of 💩 over the wrapper being called Oscuro as it's pretty light brown.


Jamie's number 3 is a chocolatey brown Churchill and is also not a Gurkha, and came with its original cello wrap which is brown and crispy. I almost never smoke Churchills. Sometimes when camping and sitting in the hammock, or by the fire, I will smoke a Churchill. Never finish em. I can't recall the last churchill cigar I've brought to the garage.

Per routine, will live post the smoke, typing it up on my phone as I smoke just writing whatever I'm thinking about the cigar. Already several beers in today so I'll probably be a bit more wordy.

Rich barn aroma to the wrapper, some dusty hay spice tickled the sinuses. Nicely rolled, very very firm. Hopefully it will be open enough to smoke.

Clipped the Nicely done triple cap. Cold draw is sweet, smooth no sneezy. Pretty tight, but should work.

First light is pretty loaded. Spice, cedar, leaves with a background sweetness. Not much smoke, but flavor is rich. Pepper in the sinuses is mild on retrohale but does increase lingering sweetness.

I'm noticing the strength already. Weird, I can usually get through anything without noticing it till the end. Took a bit of sugar on with a half and half bourbon and maple syrup shot. Guts settling. Put my feet up in the recliner. Racecar rear bumper in the way of a full recline.

Chocolate notes on the finish, loads of cedar spice. Draw is tight, almost no smoke coming from this cigar. But it's burning evenly and no hot spots I can feel. Usually low smoke is tunneling, but it's burning correctly. Just not very Smokey. Foot smokes more than the draw, kinda reminds me of a Liga Privada in that sense. Full flavor on every draw though.

Much more cedar spice coming through. Has a retrohale burn, but not so peppery more like sneezing from cedar sawdust.

I'm enjoying this a lot. Came in 100% that is was the middle smoke given the prior two. But it's hitting a lot of marks I look for. Still pegging it in the middle because the #2 was a shape reserved for top shelf. But flavor and performance to the halfway mark so far has been compatible with high end. Age I'm sure has helped, I do prefer strong cigars to have a few years of rest, or mid-mid.

Strangely enough the flavors mellowed out rather than ramped up. I'm about an hour fifteen in and finding myself forcing the draw with consecutive puffs. Slight sour flavors come when I rush it. But it recovers nicely. Definitely a well made cigar. I re-read my #2 review to compare, I'm gonna stick with keeping this in the mids.

Flavor may have flattened out but strength has not. This thing's kicking my ass. Been on the verge of green most of the smoke. Hit me an inch or so in. The syrup n bourbon shot helped but it's worn off. Pretty sure I'll puke on this one. This makes a Cain F lance look like a party short. Usually don't feel the strength when I been drinking but this is STRONG.

Finally got to the well aged flavors. The creamy sweet nutty flavor I love so much. Unfortunately I can't go much longer. There is a hint of ammonia in the retrohale, and I'm picking up more heavy tar notes. Pretty much my experience with churchills is you can't smoke the whole thing. It's just on the verge of souring, as am I.

Gonna call it. I can't finish. 1:48 smoking time.

Gonna peg it mid, Nicaraguan, well aged.

Cigar #3: San Cristobal. Mid gar. You nailed this one......I like them, but just like you not huge cigars as I never have time. I figured that since the last time I bought one of these they fit into the parameters....this one BTW had some of the browner cello I have, it was gifted to me in 2010-2012. Good reviews Dan, sorry again for the dud.
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#185 Posted:
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Oh man. That's a shocker!

Thanks again man, lots of fun. Enjoyed the wine watching the new Star Wars with wife. Wine was much better than the movie.
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#186 Posted:
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It's their house red blend, and is inconsistent release to release (some are very boozy) this release was good. Lady and I belong to 2 wineries, would be 3 if Cricket Hill did memberships. They (Leger David) scored really well recently with their Cab Franc and Sangiovese.
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#187 Posted:
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ypetryna wrote:
not a problem, will update when i get home,

#1 sounds spot one - age info at home

#2 cohiba Robusto - age info at home - high range

# 3 Tat havana Vi - size and maybe age info at home - mid range



Alright rmann, you guessed the tier range properly.

#1 was Xikar HC Series White Shade Grown Robbie .....yard Gar. They aren't pretty but I do enjoy these golfing or fishing when I know they may not survive. Haven't had one with such an awful construction issue yet thou and am sorry for that. The overflow tupperdor is at its usual 61 this time of year, so maybe it just was a dud. I have been able to steal them for around 2 bucks, but haven't in a while. These are from late 2017

#2 was a Cohiba robusto (cc) .....High end from 2013 I'mhappy you enjoyed, picked some up from fenster when he was selling some of his stash and it was phenominal. Saving the remainders for something but just having a nice day lately may be enough. Thought about buying a box but I haven't had a fresh one ever, and they are pricey so dont have the courage to order......yet. Happy you had this one post the bad yard gar

#3 was a brown banded Tat.....not sure of the actual blend.....Medium , but I do love these, plenty. Even more then some high ends.
This is a tat Havana vi, hermosa sized (corona 5.6 x 46) April 2017 box code or date. This is the first tat I ever had and smoked it till I needed to lay down. It really reminds me of barnyard cc's and for the cost ~6$, I have yet to have one that smoked with an issue. I generally find them more medium for me, but have gotten kicked down by them when I smoke them quickly. One of hand full of boxes i currently have in the wineador.

That's all I know about these, hope that it shed some light and happy that it sounds like you enjoyed the last two. Tight lines buddy
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#188 Posted:
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I like the Havana Verocu
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#189 Posted:
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#2 from Dan
6x52 dark toothy wrapper, no blemishes, firm & heavy in the hand
Straight cut paired with a Moose Drool Brew
Cold draw was coco notes.
Once lit this puppy started billowing lots of thick smoke. First few notes produced dark chocolate with earthy tones.
Perfect draw and burn, meaty and full body. Glad I lit this after dinner. Just under an hour I hit the half way mark with thick creamy smoke and hints of mild spice. Some toasted nut with roasted coffee bean appear. After an hour and half this thing is giving me a nicotine buzz, wow! This was a complex tasty cigar.
My guess would be it is the high end cigar maybe a Drew Estates Liga Orivada #9
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#190 Posted:
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ypetryna wrote:
Alright rmann, you guessed the tier range properly.

#1 was Xikar HC Series White Shade Grown Robbie .....yard Gar. They aren't pretty but I do enjoy these golfing or fishing when I know they may not survive. Haven't had one with such an awful construction issue yet thou and am sorry for that. The overflow tupperdor is at its usual 61 this time of year, so maybe it just was a dud. I have been able to steal them for around 2 bucks, but haven't in a while. These are from late 2017

#2 was a Cohiba robusto (cc) .....High end from 2013 I'mhappy you enjoyed, picked some up from fenster when he was selling some of his stash and it was phenominal. Saving the remainders for something but just having a nice day lately may be enough. Thought about buying a box but I haven't had a fresh one ever, and they are pricey so dont have the courage to order......yet. Happy you had this one post the bad yard gar

#3 was a brown banded Tat.....not sure of the actual blend.....Medium , but I do love these, plenty. Even more then some high ends.
This is a tat Havana vi, hermosa sized (corona 5.6 x 46) April 2017 box code or date. This is the first tat I ever had and smoked it till I needed to lay down. It really reminds me of barnyard cc's and for the cost ~6$, I have yet to have one that smoked with an issue. I generally find them more medium for me, but have gotten kicked down by them when I smoke them quickly. One of hand full of boxes i currently have in the wineador.

That's all I know about these, hope that it shed some light and happy that it sounds like you enjoyed the last two. Tight lines buddy

I thought the Havana iv is a red label tat.....more medium than the brown label regios
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I wish it was easier to follow these posts........the answers so far removed from the test and mixed in with other tests. Thats why I did mine all in one post so that the tests were all together and the answers were all together. I guess it must be my small brain.
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#192 Posted:
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Finally finished my last review cigar last night and going to post them all together.

Cigar #3

5x50ish box press cigar with a milk chocolate color wrapper. There are minimal noticeable veins and it is real hard to notice the seems in the wrapper. Initial thoughts from appearance are that this could be the high end.

1/3 Starts off with leather in the front of the profile and possibly a little bit of black pepper in there. Produces a ton of smoke which I like. The smoke is dry though so a drink pairing helps. First retro I get a ton of pepper, not surprisingly cause I often do on the retro. Burn line is crisp and the ash is holding strong. Pepper starts to fade and an earthy tobacco taste comes to forefront. I knocked the ash off about an inch into the cigar.

2/3 Starts to mellow some and the dryness from the smoke dissipates with that. Getting leather note in the front and a hint of cedar on the finish. Continues to put out a nice amount of smoke and the burn line is perfect.

3/3 I would call this a medium/full cigar, possibly nicaraguan. Transitions back to the sry smoke similar to the start of the cigar. It is pretty similar to the start now but I kind of feel like there is some sort of a citrus note in there but it is hiding and I can't quite put my finger on what it is. I nubbed this cigar, really enjoyed it.

smoking time was 1 hour 30 minutes.

Not a lot of boxed press cigars out there and my initial thoughts were an MB3 but I could see this being a Padron after smoking it.

Guess: High end


Cigar #2

Also a 5x50 cigar with a milk chocolate in color wrapper. There are a couple veins that look thick on it and a bit of glue that seeped from the seem in one spot. Maybe a triple cap, hard to see. Appearance is making me think this is the low end.

1/3 Starts off with a combo of earth, cocoa, and cayenne. Spicy and pepper can be hard for me to decipher because they taste similar to me in a cigar but this is definitely cayenne type spice to start. Retro confirms what I was thinking with the cayenne. Burn line gets a little wavy but does correct itself. Plenty of smoke and there is a creaminess to the body of the smoke. Ash held tight until I knocked it off about an inch into it.

2/3 Cayenne cools off a bit. Picking up more of the cocoa and a wood note. I would describe this as mahogany, Cut many mahogany deck boards and the note taste just like a fresh cut made on a mahogany deck board. Cayenne peeks out again. Picking up something on the finish but not sure exactly what it is.

3/3 Smoke got a little airy to start the final third but there was still plenty of it. That mahogany note taste more like a cedar now and there is a touch of cayenne again. Still getting that note on the finish that I can't place but it the cigar was better before I noticed it. Still a really enjoyable cigar. Mostly cocoa and leather now and getting a slight nicotine rush which makes me think we hit the full mark in strength. Cigar got hot with a about 3/4 of an inch left and put it down. Could have been my fault on that.

Smoking time was 1 hour 30 minutes

This cigar was very enjoyable and would have been a perfect fit for my preference minus that one note on the finish that didn't last for long.

Guess: Mid range


Cigar #1

Another 5x50ish, maybe 52 feels a little bigger in the hand. Medium brown color on this wrapper, maybe a maduro just not a real dark one? Couple veins but nothing major. Has a nice appearance to it. I compared the three in appearance and thought this would be the mid range out of the three.

1/3 A lot of smoke to start but it is not very thick. Actually takes me a few minutes to get some taste from the smoke. Kind of odd cause most times there is a blast of something right out of the start. Then I get some coffee and earthiness with a touch of black pepper and chocolate in the background. It feels like it is burning fast but could be my imagination. Knocked the ash off around half inch in because it looked loose and didn't want it falling on my lap. Burn line is wavy and thinking about a touch up but will wait and see what happens.

2/3 Much the same except for the pepper may have turned to a spicy note. Burn line got real wavy and I would most times touch this up but I left it and it did correct itself. Flavor is good on this cigar but the roll is loose and the ash is flaky. The pepper and spice is gone now. Getting leather and earth from the smoke. Got wavy on me again and this time I did touch it up.

3/3 The dominant note in this cigar for me is leather. Not a lot of changing in this cigar and the smoke production has dropped off here in the final third. I feel like I was pulling on it more often then I normally would and may have caused the cigar to get hot. Put it down with around an inch left.

Smoking time 1 hour 15 minutes

I feel that this cigar would have been really good if the roll on it was a little tighter. Would have possibly not been such a loose draw and possibly a thicker smoke as well. Wasn't a bad cigar at all just had me thinking what if.

Guess: Low end


All three cigars were enjoyable and I am curious as to what they were. Thanks Phil this was fun to do.
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#193 Posted:
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Great analysis, Shaun. You nailed the yard-gar, and was very close to the mark with the MB3 reference on #3.

1. Hoyo La Amistad Robusto - LOW
2. God of Fire Don Carlos Robusto - HIGH
3. Oliva Serie V Melanio Roubsto - MID
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#194 Posted:
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Phil222 wrote:
Great analysis, Shaun. You nailed the yard-gar, and was very close to the mark with the MB3 reference on #3.

1. Hoyo La Amistad Robusto - LOW
2. God of Fire Don Carlos Robusto - HIGH
3. Oliva Serie V Melanio Roubsto - MID



It's funny because in a FB group recently they were talking about Fuentes and how they tend to have glue on a lot of them showing and it crossed my mind when looked at the appearance of this one. All were good cigars in their own right. Now that I know what they are that Olive V Melanio is looking more and more like better value. Thanks again Phil it was fun!
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No problem, man. That was a real palate showcase. I don't think you missed a flavor in any of them, and pointed out some stuff I was getting that I couldn't put a label on. Liked how you described the Melanio smoke as "dry." I have always thought of it as "chalky," but dry is probably the better description for that texture. Good stuff. ThumpUp
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#196 Posted:
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Phil222 wrote:
Enjoying these reviews...ThumpUp

Wow. Just read a few and realized I'm a long way from being able to give a review that comprehensive. That isn't to say that a few didn't seem a bit...embellished. Still. This is miles beyond what I can honestly say I can provide. Oh well. Work towards it.
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Bad Mr Frosty wrote:
Wow. Just read a few and realized I'm a long way from being able to give a review that comprehensive. That isn't to say that a few didn't seem a bit...embellished. Still. This is miles beyond what I can honestly say I can provide. Oh well. Work towards it.


I think if you sat down with a good cigar and a flavor wheel you might surprise yourself. I have only smoked a couple hundred cigars, but I have noticed that my opinion of a cigar and the flavors I taste are influenced by many different variables like...

my smoking speed, smoking first thing in the morning vs. late at night, my energy level, the number of cigars I have smoked previously in the day/week, drink pairing, smoking on empty stomach vs. food eaten previously (if you don’t clean your plate after eating it can really skew the flavors; sometimes good or bad), my mood, temperature and humidity (both my environment and the cigar), company or activity while smoking, location where I'm smoking, the actual cigar itself, etc., etc...all of these things play a role. Sometimes you get a "perfect storm."

My opinion is that in order to properly review a cigar, a person would need to smoke a fiver over a period of time at the very least. A box would be better. I believe that any prior knowledge about the cigar, the brand of a cigar, and cost of a cigar can influence the taste and overall experience too, but this is all psychological. That is why I really enjoyed this blind review exercise because it eliminates that from the process. That being said, I find it hard to believe when people say they can’t taste some of these flavors.

I get maybe not tasting subtle/specific flavors because sometimes you have to really seek them out, but some of these flavors are very common and predominant in cigars, like pepper, cocoa, and wood for example. I get these flavors in many different cigars. I have a theory that everyone can taste the same flavors, but some people label them differently or are unable/unwilling to put a label on them period.

Sorry about writing a book here; I just find this subject very interesting.
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#198 Posted:
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Phil222 wrote:
I think if you sat down with a good cigar and a flavor wheel you might surprise yourself. I have only smoked a couple hundred cigars, but I have noticed that my opinion of a cigar and the flavors I taste are influenced by many different variables like...

my smoking speed, smoking first thing in the morning vs. late at night, my energy level, the number of cigars I have smoked previously in the day/week, drink pairing, smoking on empty stomach vs. food eaten previously (if you don’t clean your plate after eating it can really skew the flavors; sometimes good or bad), my mood, temperature and humidity (both my environment and the cigar), company or activity while smoking, location where I'm smoking, the actual cigar itself, etc., etc...all of these things play a role. Sometimes you get a "perfect storm."

My opinion is that in order to properly review a cigar, a person would need to smoke a fiver over a period of time at the very least. A box would be better. I believe that any prior knowledge about the cigar, the brand of a cigar, and cost of a cigar can influence the taste and overall experience too, but this is all psychological. That is why I really enjoyed this blind review exercise because it eliminates that from the process. That being said, I find it hard to believe when people say they can’t taste some of these flavors.

I get maybe not tasting subtle/specific flavors because sometimes you have to really seek them out, but some of these flavors are very common and predominant in cigars, like pepper, cocoa, and wood for example. I get these flavors in many different cigars. I have a theory that everyone can taste the same flavors, but some people label them differently or are unable/unwilling to put a label on them period.

Sorry about writing a book here; I just find this subject very interesting.


No you make a lot of good points. I have been smoking cigars for over a decade and have smoked over a thousand probably, but for years I didn't really have anyone else to smoke with who knew anything, so I would just light up with whomever and smoke without much thought. I took a handful of Diamond Crowns to my cousin's birthday party a few years back and ended up keeping most of them after I saw how drunk everyone was. I smoked my first Opus X in a parking Lot after a movie lol. Probably nowhere near ready to appreciate it. I just smoked casually at first. My dad smoked Tampa Jewels and I remember liking those when I was 18 or so. Just wood tipped machine mades I think. The first time I realized I my palate was getting more refined was when I bought a few boxes of a cheapo Dominican I remembered loving when I first started. Hated them after buying the boxes a year later or so.

I remember being thrown for a loop after buying 5 cheaper Graycliffs. They all had a weird, sharp, metallic taste that put me off of Graycliff for a while. Smoked more, years later, no metallic taste. So you never know, I guess.

As far as the specific flavors, I have definitely moved towards the more full flavored, though I still like the cedar and cream of a good mild, I love the more earthy cigars now. As long as the leatheryness or cocoa isn't too overshadowing. It's definitely different from batch to batch though. One of my favorites of all time was a La Aurora cien anos I smoked probably seven years ago. Ridiculous flavors of caramel and and coffee. Amazing. Bought probably ten more over the next year or so. None impressed me at all. One or two left I couldn't bring myself to smoke. We'll see, I guess. Had one in a leather case that got smashed in a parking lot fight. That's a heart breaker lol.
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#199 Posted:
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Bad Mr Frosty wrote:


One of my favorites of all time was a La Aurora cien anos I smoked probably seven years ago. Ridiculous flavors of caramel and and coffee. Amazing. Bought probably ten more over the next year or so. None impressed me at all.
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This has been my experience time and again with these blind reviews. Which is why I love them so much.

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#200 Posted:
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I enjoyed the hell out of this blind review. This was my first time participating in one.
The removal of the band forces you to focus on all 5 senses to appreciate what's going on with the cigar.
Instead of knowing what you have and what you expect from it, you need to experience it and decide if you enjoy it
based on the flavors and all the factors YOU experience, not a review you read and were told you should experience
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