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DrafterX Offline
#51 Posted: Mon, Nov 19 2018, 10:23 PM EST
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No way man.. Not talking
frankj1 Offline
#52 Posted: Mon, Nov 19 2018, 10:28 PM EST
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u da bestest
MACS Offline
#53 Posted: Tue, Nov 20 2018, 2:14 AM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
nothing you wrote is a problem. legit beliefs, you're more than entitled to that opinion.
Just wondering if the fact that the POTUS dropping this particular event was based on reality, or a stunt.
And then it was gone...connect the dots.

Election hijinks, fear mongering. Historically this has not been used for truth...Remember The Maine!



Didja see my link? They're here... and Mexicans don't like it, either.
DrafterX Offline
#54 Posted: Tue, Nov 20 2018, 8:40 AM EST
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At least 500 bad criminal hombres using wimmens and childrens for shields and distraction... Think
Mr. Jones Offline
#55 Posted: Tue, Nov 20 2018, 9:33 AM EST
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I saw a MASSIVE HOOKED STAGE "CANE" APPEAR
in front of
"The Caravan" and...

"EXIT IT...STAGE LEFT"

SNAGGLE PUSS LED THE CARAVAN ...

TO THE LEFT....TOWARDS CABO SAN LUCAS
tailgater Offline
#56 Posted: Tue, Nov 20 2018, 12:31 PM EST
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Frank,
I'm not sure what you want, except for Trump to be wrong.

The caravan was an issue.
It was dealt with.
It redirected its course and is now creating problems in TJ.
Trump conceded and wants to hear claims of asylum only from those who enter at designated (legal) points of entry.
Now a judge has listened to some liberal lawyers and the ACLU and caved in to allow even those who break in here illegally to apply for asylum.

It's all a joke, but Frank wants us to believe it was carefully orchestrated to boost the GOP during an election.
It's still going on, but he wants it to be front page. Otherwise, it somehow proves that it was just Trump marketing 101.

Frank, I love your reference to siding and being a closer.
It's too bad you screwed the pooch and wasted such good lines on this subject, since nothing could be further from the truth. Trump is still actively involved with this one.
frankj1 Offline
#57 Posted: Tue, Nov 20 2018, 3:06 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
Frank,
I'm not sure what you want, except for Trump to be wrong.

The caravan was an issue.
It was dealt with.
It redirected its course and is now creating problems in TJ.
Trump conceded and wants to hear claims of asylum only from those who enter at designated (legal) points of entry.
Now a judge has listened to some liberal lawyers and the ACLU and caved in to allow even those who break in here illegally to apply for asylum.

It's all a joke, but Frank wants us to believe it was carefully orchestrated to boost the GOP during an election.
It's still going on, but he wants it to be front page. Otherwise, it somehow proves that it was just Trump marketing 101.

Frank, I love your reference to siding and being a closer.
It's too bad you screwed the pooch and wasted such good lines on this subject, since nothing could be further from the truth. Trump is still actively involved with this one.



I've been pretty clear.
No sense replying to changes you've made to my thoughts
tailgater Offline
#58 Posted: Tue, Nov 20 2018, 5:38 PM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
I've been pretty clear.
No sense replying to changes you've made to my thoughts


Yeah.
I was the one who changed them.
frankj1 Offline
#59 Posted: Tue, Nov 20 2018, 10:41 PM EST
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I am surprised you are having difficulty.

He made up the scary people coming...are you suggesting this is cold hard facts that I am ignoring the proof?

I know people are coming, but not a marauding band of rapists. Apparently you bought in...we disagree. There's no source of proof, so I had the temerity to question the veracity of another emotionally charged claim. It was not meant to upset you.

I said (over and over for you, others got it) that he made up the scary criminal part to rally voters as he had success with the same tactics two years earlier. I'm pretty sure most military leaders agree with me.Is any of this a symptom of your Trump hate silliness?

Still with me?

Then at election time, the story died, not with a whimper, just silence. Not "I am pissah, I fixed it"...just crickets. the man takes credit for things he did not do, he'd let us know forever! Yet you say he fixed it. He hasn't claimed that yet. And that may be because the caravan continues, despite your news source saying they turned around.

They did in fact change from predicted course, but that was spoken of as they approached Mexico City...better weather slightly west, but still to the US border. Not a u-turn as you say. Still trying to get here.

Hang in there...this is the part you've had the most difficulty grasping:

Wonder why has the Prez stopped the false rhetoric?Even his blindest fanboy would have to admit his ego would never have him drop the subject because he fixed it so nothing else to say..."All in a day's work, Trump murmured modestly" are not words we'll hear in this lifetime! Even you aren't claiming that, right? Good, stay with me.

I tied it to the election being over. Go home folks, nothing to see here. Show's over. On to the next marketing challenge. No need to perpetuate a story that isn't based on reality once the story has served it's purpose. Now's the time to create distance from false claims quietly and deal with the real factors of the caravan and the issues with which Joe and Frank may agree...prevent illegal entry whether marauding rapists or just hungry scared poor people. Process legal entry claims legally.

And whatever else would be normal.

or, in simpler terms:

I claim election hijinks. Never was a scary factor. Then the noise stopped, coincidentally at election, all at once...no drip drip drip. Just sealed vault tight...Connect the dots.

the only one ranting about Trump is you.
SteveS Offline
#60 Posted: Wed, Nov 21 2018, 6:06 AM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
... the only one ranting about Trump is you.


Well, there IS the relentless ranting by the media about Trump ...
DrafterX Offline
#61 Posted: Wed, Nov 21 2018, 8:12 AM EST
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If the entire caravan came across the border would that not make them all criminals..?? Think
tailgater Offline
#62 Posted: Wed, Nov 21 2018, 11:23 AM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
I am surprised you are having difficulty. Don't be.

He made up the scary people coming...are you suggesting this is cold hard facts that I am ignoring the proof? He made them up? so there was no caravan of people?

I know people are coming, but not a marauding band of rapists. Apparently you bought in...we disagree. There's no source of proof, so I had the temerity to question the veracity of another emotionally charged claim. It was not meant to upset you. Not once did I buy into the caravan being rapists and thugs. Not once. As in never. Are you purposely attributing things to me that I didn't say? Or do you just not understand?

I said (over and over for you, others got it) that he made up the scary criminal part to rally voters as he had success with the same tactics two years earlier. I'm pretty sure most military leaders agree with me.Is any of this a symptom of your Trump hate silliness? It's not my Trump hate silliness. You've already claimed things I didn't say or type.

Still with me? Always, my friend.

Then at election time, the story died, not with a whimper, just silence. Not "I am pissah, I fixed it"...just crickets. the man takes credit for things he did not do, he'd let us know forever! Yet you say he fixed it. He hasn't claimed that yet. And that may be because the caravan continues, despite your news source saying they turned around. I told you already, he saw an issue, he addressed it. Time to move on. Not sure how that is confusing.

They did in fact change from predicted course, but that was spoken of as they approached Mexico City...better weather slightly west, but still to the US border. Not a u-turn as you say. Still trying to get here. Yeah. the military presence had nothing to do with it. They felt their 1500 mile jaunt wasn't refreshing enough so they doubled back on their own accord.

Hang in there...this is the part you've had the most difficulty grasping: It's my small hands.

Wonder why has the Prez stopped the false rhetoric?Even his blindest fanboy would have to admit his ego would never have him drop the subject because he fixed it so nothing else to say..."All in a day's work, Trump murmured modestly" are not words we'll hear in this lifetime! Even you aren't claiming that, right? Good, stay with me. Huh? (honestly. huh?)

I tied it to the election being over. Go home folks, nothing to see here. Show's over. On to the next marketing challenge. No need to perpetuate a story that isn't based on reality once the story has served it's purpose. Now's the time to create distance from false claims quietly and deal with the real factors of the caravan and the issues with which Joe and Frank may agree...prevent illegal entry whether marauding rapists or just hungry scared poor people. Process legal entry claims legally. This is your take. You don't seem to understand that I know what you're saying. I disagree. Which seems to throw you into a tizzy. Which is a shame.

And whatever else would be normal.

or, in simpler terms: Oh boy. I like simple. er.

I claim election hijinks. Never was a scary factor. Then the noise stopped, coincidentally at election, all at once...no drip drip drip. Just sealed vault tight...Connect the dots. Of course the rhetoric was ratcheted up and then down for the election. That's the game. But it's not all or nothing like you're saying. The caravan of people wanting to enter our country illegally was a big problem and the solution is divided on party lines. Of course it's political. Not sure why you think it's some sort of marketing ploy. The people were real. The event was real. But you think it was a tool used by our President and your "proof" is the fact that they turned away. Only "coincidentially after the guns were manned at the border. Because they wanted to go to San Diego via Texas from the beginning apparently.

the only one ranting about Trump is you. So you make an outrageous claim, I put perspective on it, and that's considered a rant by me. Hey, you're the wordsmith. I guess you know best.



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tailgater Offline
#63 Posted: Wed, Nov 21 2018, 11:27 AM EST
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I've been listening to NPR most of this week on my drive.
Local and national.
Even the liberal NPR reporters admit that the caravan consists mostly of young men. Upwards of 70% by some estimates.

But the media continually shows predominantly women and children.

Is that being honest?

Rhetorical. Because otherwise the crickets would be deafening.
delta1 Offline
#64 Posted: Wed, Nov 21 2018, 1:47 PM EST
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NPR had a program on about crimes committed by immigrants, both legal and illegal. Turns out that citizens of the US commit crimes at a higher rate.


https://www.npr.org/2018/05/02/607652253/studies-say-illegal-immigration-does-not-increase-violent-crime
DrafterX Offline
#65 Posted: Wed, Nov 21 2018, 1:50 PM EST
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Well, there are more of us... For now...

Silly comparison if you ask me... You're basically saying some crime is ok... Mellow
delta1 Offline
#66 Posted: Wed, Nov 21 2018, 2:12 PM EST
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pretty sure the numbers are per capita...not saying that some crime is OK...just responding to the rhetoric that all immigrants are murderers, rapists, MS -13 because a majority of them are young men...spreading fear...


DrafterX wrote:
Well, there are more of us... For now...

Silly comparison if you ask me... You're basically saying some crime is ok... Mellow



do you really believe that illegal immigrants will ever outnumber American citizens?
Speyside Offline
#67 Posted: Wed, Nov 21 2018, 2:15 PM EST
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Drafter, quit playing your game. Percentage has nothing to do with gross number of crimes. It is about the rate of crime per person.

I don't want any dam illegal aliens crossing our border. If it was all women and children I would still feel the same. The Republican spin doctors used scare tactics. If people are so stupid they believed this then they should take the farmer, field, hunter test. Remove ignorant from the gene pool.
delta1 Offline
#68 Posted: Wed, Nov 21 2018, 2:16 PM EST
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wait....wha....???


we need to make an exception for Drafter...he's good peeps...
DrafterX Offline
#69 Posted: Wed, Nov 21 2018, 2:34 PM EST
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Farmer- dude that grows stuff

Field- where we play Fooball

Hunter- dude who kills stuff...

Mellow
delta1 Offline
#70 Posted: Wed, Nov 21 2018, 2:35 PM EST
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OK, Drafter is not in that pool...
bgz Offline
#71 Posted: Wed, Nov 21 2018, 9:12 PM EST
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Frank, you would be happy to know that Trump is on the campaign trail. He's been tweeting about immigration again!

That was a quick, seems like we voted only a couple weeks ago :D
frankj1 Offline
#72 Posted: Wed, Nov 21 2018, 10:50 PM EST
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bgz wrote:
Frank, you would be happy to know that Trump is on the campaign trail. He's been tweeting about immigration again!

That was a quick, seems like we voted only a couple weeks ago :D

very happy!
Happy Thanksgiving, my friend.
bgz Offline
#73 Posted: Thu, Nov 22 2018, 10:24 AM EST
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Happy Thanksgiving to you too Frank :)
tailgater Offline
#74 Posted: Fri, Nov 23 2018, 10:26 AM EST
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delta1 wrote:
NPR had a program on about crimes committed by immigrants, both legal and illegal. Turns out that citizens of the US commit crimes at a higher rate.


https://www.npr.org/2018/05/02/607652253/studies-say-illegal-immigration-does-not-increase-violent-crime


This isn't about immigrants.
It's about people here illegally.

Anyone who lumps them together is being dishonest.
In other words: a liar.

In fact, I bet that those numbers would change if they include the illegal act of entering the country. Because 100% of those that sneak across have committed a crime.
I guarantee your stats don't include that.

Liar.
Damn liar.
Statistician.

In that order.
tailgater Offline
#75 Posted: Fri, Nov 23 2018, 10:30 AM EST
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delta1 wrote:
pretty sure the numbers are per capita...not saying that some crime is OK...just responding to the rhetoric that all immigrants are murderers, rapists, MS -13 because a majority of them are young men...spreading fear...



I see this over and over from the left.

A conservative says "keep out the illegal immigrants"

A liberal says "why do you hate immigrants?"


Liberals can't be that stupid.
So they obviously just have no valid point to make and therefore must lie.

Over and over and over again.

Until it becomes their truth.


Russia!
DrafterX Offline
#76 Posted: Fri, Nov 23 2018, 11:10 AM EST
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Abe Lincoln was a Democrat... Mellow
delta1 Offline
#77 Posted: Fri, Nov 23 2018, 2:34 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
This isn't about immigrants.
It's about people here illegally.

Anyone who lumps them together is being dishonest.
In other words: a liar.

In fact, I bet that those numbers would change if they include the illegal act of entering the country. Because 100% of those that sneak across have committed a crime.
I guarantee your stats don't include that.

Liar.
Damn liar.
Statistician.

In that order.





you prolly didn't read the article...the link explains the study was about "illegal" immigration...many other studies combine the two...

what is your definition of "illegal immigration"? A majority of "illegal" immigrants entered the country legally...they just didn't leave when their visas expired...

the right wing media doesn't say much about that...they choose to single out the invaders who cross the border...
Speyside Offline
#78 Posted: Fri, Nov 23 2018, 2:58 PM EST
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Tail, many liberals do not want illegal aliens here period. I was discussing this with a group yesterday. In fact none of us use the term immigrant. These people are not immigrants, they are aliens. I refuse to be conned by the media into considering them immigrants, they are not. U do not like the study being quoted because it lumps legal immigrants together with illegal immigrants. So it is worthless when considering the criminality of illegal immigrants. For example, when Castro threw hardened criminals in with the boat people, I assume that group of illegal immigrants was much more likely to commit a crime. But lets not lose sight of this, there is legally no legal illegal immigrantion. That is what the far left is pushing for.
tailgater Offline
#79 Posted: Fri, Nov 23 2018, 7:32 PM EST
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delta1 wrote:
you prolly didn't read the article...the link explains the study was about "illegal" immigration...many other studies combine the two...

what is your definition of "illegal immigration"? A majority of "illegal" immigrants entered the country legally...they just didn't leave when their visas expired...

the right wing media doesn't say much about that...they choose to single out the invaders who cross the border...


I didn't read it. Based on the title. And because it doesn't really matter. At all.

Even if those crossing our borders illegally never committed another crime, I don't want them here.
Get in line. Follow the rules. Or go home.

Americans take advantage of our freedoms. We're free to break the law and accept the penalty. We're free to do nothing and expect the handouts. Or we're free to work and instill our values into our children.

In some countries if you steal you'll lose a hand. In others, if you sell drugs they'll kill you.
I bet those types of crimes are relatively low in those areas.
We don't have the stomach for it. Nor should we. There are better ways.

But it starts with understanding that we do have laws and when they're broken there are consequences. Right now we've got half the country imploring our politicians to do nothing about the thousands infiltrating our porous borders. And it's a disgrace.

It's really very simple: We either have a border, or we don't. We have to start these discussions with honesty. I've been pretty forthright and consistent on this issue. Many on the left haven't been. They applaud when WJ Clinton and BH Obama go out on the stump and demand strong borders, yet they claim our current President espouses hatred by demanding the same thing.
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#80 Posted: Fri, Nov 23 2018, 9:52 PM EST
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It should be easy to become a US citizen. It should be easy to gain asylum. It should be easy to get a work permit.

It's not easy to do any of those things. That's why desperate people take a calculated risk and just try to come in. If it were easy, people would do it legally.

The Whorehouse of Representatives has no desire to pass sensible immigration reform. They would rather continue to use immigration as a hot button issue to manipulate and fire up their bases in election years.
tailgater Offline
#81 Posted: Fri, Nov 23 2018, 10:29 PM EST
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borndead1 wrote:
It should be easy to become a US citizen. It should be easy to gain asylum. It should be easy to get a work permit.

It's not easy to do any of those things. That's why desperate people take a calculated risk and just try to come in. If it were easy, people would do it legally.

The Whorehouse of Representatives has no desire to pass sensible immigration reform. They would rather continue to use immigration as a hot button issue to manipulate and fire up their bases in election years.


Oh.
It's not easy.

So these are the people who can only do the easy, illegal thing.
Makes me want them even less.
frankj1 Offline
#82 Posted: Fri, Nov 23 2018, 10:47 PM EST
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borndead1 wrote:
It should be easy to become a US citizen. It should be easy to gain asylum. It should be easy to get a work permit.

It's not easy to do any of those things. That's why desperate people take a calculated risk and just try to come in. If it were easy, people would do it legally.

The Whorehouse of Representatives has no desire to pass sensible immigration reform. They would rather continue to use immigration as a hot button issue to manipulate and fire up their bases in election years.

glad to see ya, even though I wasn't sure what your stance was on this...I missed you posting because, if I recall correctly, you're one of a very few true libertarians here...though everyone strays from time to time, issue to issue, or they would be subscribing to dogma.

Now with this post, you'll be considered left of, well, me. I guess.

HA!
DrafterX Offline
#83 Posted: Fri, Nov 23 2018, 10:53 PM EST
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Borndumb wants open borders.. he's made that clear in other posts.. Mellow
borndead1 Offline
#84 Posted: Fri, Nov 23 2018, 11:47 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
Borndumb wants open borders.. he's made that clear in other posts.. Mellow


Personal insults/making fun is the method of people who have no legitimate/logical argument.

I do look forward to a time in human evolution when we no longer worry so much about invisible lines in the sand. However, I do understand that this time has not come yet. So until that time comes...it should be easy to become a US citizen. It should be easy to gain asylum. It should be easy to get a work permit.
borndead1 Offline
#85 Posted: Fri, Nov 23 2018, 11:51 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
Oh.
It's not easy.

So these are the people who can only do the easy, illegal thing.
Makes me want them even less.





Have you ever broken any laws? Don't try to justify. A simple 'yes' or 'no' will be a good enough answer.

Once you have answered that question, my next question is: why did you break the law?
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#86 Posted: Sat, Nov 24 2018, 3:19 AM EST
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Because I could. I’m white, and a platinum member, so nobody will touch me unless their name is drafter and I want my pecker pulled.
MACS Offline
#87 Posted: Sat, Nov 24 2018, 5:56 AM EST
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borndead1 wrote:
It should be easy to become a US citizen. It should be easy to gain asylum. It should be easy to get a work permit.

It's not easy to do any of those things. That's why desperate people take a calculated risk and just try to come in. If it were easy, people would do it legally.

The Whorehouse of Representatives has no desire to pass sensible immigration reform. They would rather continue to use immigration as a hot button issue to manipulate and fire up their bases in election years.


Disagree. It should be difficult. If it was easy, we'd have far too many people here.

My questions are:

1. If having a country with majority white, English speaking, Judeo-Christian folks is so bad... why does everyone want to come HERE?
2. Why not go to those socialist countries they love so much?
3. Why not go to male dominated, peaceful Islamic countries?
4. Why not choose a country that speaks the language they speak?

Why the USA? And then why expect the USA to welcome them with open arms and adapt to their culture and language?
tailgater Offline
#88 Posted: Sat, Nov 24 2018, 9:43 AM EST
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borndead1 wrote:
Have you ever broken any laws? Don't try to justify. A simple 'yes' or 'no' will be a good enough answer.

Once you have answered that question, my next question is: why did you break the law?


Because I was able to gain something, and the consequences were worth the risk.

If we want something to end, we have to make the consequence more significant than the gain.

No need to dig any deeper.
DrafterX Offline
#89 Posted: Sat, Nov 24 2018, 10:15 AM EST
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Was CROS involved..?? Huh
borndead1 Offline
#90 Posted: Sat, Nov 24 2018, 11:15 AM EST
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MACS wrote:
Disagree. It should be difficult. If it was easy, we'd have far too many people here.

My questions are:

1. If having a country with majority white, English speaking, Judeo-Christian folks is so bad... why does everyone want to come HERE?
2. Why not go to those socialist countries they love so much?
3. Why not go to male dominated, peaceful Islamic countries?
4. Why not choose a country that speaks the language they speak?

Why the USA? And then why expect the USA to welcome them with open arms and adapt to their culture and language?


So...your basic argument is that we should keep the USA as majority white, English speaking, and Judeo Christian as possible.
borndead1 Offline
#91 Posted: Sat, Nov 24 2018, 11:17 AM EST
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tailgater wrote:
Because I was able to gain something, and the consequences were worth the risk.

If we want something to end, we have to make the consequence more significant than the gain.

No need to dig any deeper.




Did that work with the prohibition of alcohol? Drugs? Prostitution? Speeding? Would you be willing to accept that theory (consequences more significant than the gain) with regard to gun legislation?
tailgater Offline
#92 Posted: Sun, Nov 25 2018, 11:02 AM EST
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borndead1 wrote:
Did that work with the prohibition of alcohol? Drugs? Prostitution? Speeding? Would you be willing to accept that theory (consequences more significant than the gain) with regard to gun legislation?



Your first questions are based on a false premise.
You asked "did it work for prohibition?" but that assumes the risk and consequences were ample for deterrence. Obviously they were not.

Not sure where you're going with the gun legislation.
I would accept that there should be penalties for unlawful gun ownership. Own a gun legally, or pay the price.

We can't stop every crime 100%.
But if we have laws they shouldn't be designed towards the law abiding.
DrafterX Offline
#93 Posted: Sun, Nov 25 2018, 3:14 PM EST
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Sounds like they're trying to storm da border at San Ysidro... could get ugly... Mellow
tailgater Offline
#94 Posted: Sun, Nov 25 2018, 4:20 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
Sounds like they're trying to storm da border at San Ysidro... could get ugly... Mellow

But they're just seeking asylum from violence...
tailgater Offline
#95 Posted: Sun, Nov 25 2018, 4:39 PM EST
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It's truly sad how our "news" has become polluted.

Google and use your other search engines. Look for "immigrant border mexico" or some other search.
Look at the videos of them storming the wall in Tijuana.


Then go to CNN, CBS.com, etc. and look at the photos of the event.

Strange how the action shots show nearly no children, but the still photos are almost exclusively children and mothers and tear gas, etc.

And by "strange", I mean "par for the course".

And I pity those who can't read through it.
tailgater Offline
#96 Posted: Sun, Nov 25 2018, 4:40 PM EST
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Serious question:

How do you pronounce Tijuana?
delta1 Offline
#97 Posted: Sun, Nov 25 2018, 5:05 PM EST
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"tee jay" is the Socal way to say it...

"tee - hwa - nuh" is how the locals pronounce it there...
MACS Offline
#98 Posted: Sun, Nov 25 2018, 5:08 PM EST
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https://www.foxnews.com/world/mexico-denies-deal-with-white-house-on-migrants-as-trump-threatens-to-close-entire-border

Huh... seems they didn't turn around, Frank. The threat was real and it wasn't a political stunt.

Imagine that. Whistle
DrafterX Offline
#99 Posted: Sun, Nov 25 2018, 5:14 PM EST
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Images and videos posted on social media Sunday afternoon showed hundreds of migrants from the leading Central American caravan pushing past Mexican riot police and rushing the border at the port of entry in San Ysidro, Calif., in a major test for both U.S. border authorities and Mexican officials.

U.S. Customs and Border Protection officials have suspended northbound and southbound vehicle and pedestrian crossings at the San Ysidro port of entry, officials told Fox News.


Tear gas was being fired from the U.S. side of the border after some migrants threw what appeared to be rocks at U.S. authorities. Children were screaming and coughing in the mayhem.

Within an hour, the group that rushed toward the border largely dispersed. Most of the migrants in the group were men.

Film at 11... Think
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#100 Posted: Sun, Nov 25 2018, 5:55 PM EST
Joined: 07-08-2007
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Oh it is a political stunt, it’s funded by certain people who hope for bad things to happen.
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