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ask their employers.

Then send them outside the country, or charge them with a crime and punish them appropriately.

What you are talking about, busing someone somewhere without giving them a due process, telling them to stay within a specific geographic area, is not something we do as a nation. (well, we did. but it's generally considered a dark part of our history... ie internment camps, native american relocation).

Our nation is a nation of laws. If someone breaks it, charge them and punish them according to the law. You don't choose to circumvent the law, deny them a trial, and still punish them in whatever way you see fit.

Don't want to try them for anything? Then drop them off on the other side of the border somewhere.

Because the ones who come across the southern border are of a skin color which it's easy to drum up selective outrage against.

It's funny how readily the left jump on the "Punish the employers" bandwagon.

Any chance to stick it to those who pay the taxes for their free services.

Thousands of people breaking our laws?
So what?
Let's attack the hard working business owners.


What about the governments in our "sanctuary cities"?
They're breaking the same laws when they invite these illegal freeloaders and take care of them.
But I don't see the lefty loo-hoos looking to fine or arrest them.

Nope.
Because it's OK to GIVE the illegals stuff, but if someone makes them work for it then hang-em high.

actually, I have to send in a check for more...thanks Trump!

You lefties are a riot.

Come on in the border is open. Just don't come to my neighborhood. LMAO

Where was the outrage in 2014/15? How quickly we forget that the Obama administration was looking at busing over 60,000 unaccompanied minors all over the U.S. and placing them in camps.

WGAF where they want to settle. They’re here illegally.

If your plan is to process them and then either deport them, or allow them into the country with the rights of any refugee, then no one.

If your plan is to not process them, then you should.

Guess if I'm am idiot then you are a moron. You need to fact check your facts as well as your fact check. Your fact check really does not have anything to do with what I stated. I said nothing about escorts for the unaccompanied 60,000 minors to get them to the U.S. border or the legalities.

I stand by what I stated as fact. What I could do is do a Victor and sling some sh*t against the wall and see what sticks. Here goes, Obama was only looking at busing the unaccompanied 60,000 minors to states that he did not carry in the last election.

I have no bases for the last statement but I betting Victor that you can relate.

I work for Ram now, and he has a bat.

Cool your panties. If you've been paying attention you know that I've professed a desire to create a "virtual wall" for a long time now. And it begins by enforcing employment laws.
Take away the incentive to come here and we'll see how their "sanctuary" needs suddenly dry up.

So thank you for stealing my idea. Even inadvertently.

And in the meantime I stand by what I said.
The left ARE salivating over punishing the employers even as they remain silent on the government lawlessness in sanctuary cities.

shows what you know...I'm not wearing underwear.

That, and you lips were probably tired.


And you're saying the businesses DON'T pay the taxes?

Tell you what: open up your own business and then see how far you get by NOT paying taxes.

And when you're done embarrassing yourself, look at how MUCH of the taxes go to the free loaders.
It's f*cking staggering.

And the laws are in the favor of the employees. As much bellyaching that goes on about evil corporations, the truth of the matter is the worker is propped up by Uncle Sam.
I can't tell you how many times we've had employees simply give up. Stop working. Leave the job. And then COLLECT unemployment.
And because you VERY obviously DON'T know it I'll tell you: companies pay into unemployment. So that employee who chose to NOT work is collecting money from a fund paid for by companies trying to remain in business to employ others.

It's not left versus right. It's right versus wrong.
And both liberals and conservatives abuse the system.
But only the left amongst us seem to rejoice in anything anti-corporation. Elizabeth Warren et al HATE capitalism. Your very own Nancy Pelosi once rejoiced that deadbeats could continue to work on their garbage/art and not have to "worry" about paying for health insurance.
If that's not freeloading then you and I have different dictionaries.

So we're back to illegals. The democrats suddenly don't want a wall, but they don't want to send anyone to sanctuary cities. And when someone talked about punishing employers it was like a giant circle jerk of relief from the left. Because they could finally blame "the man" while staying true to their bleeding hearts.

Another post full of falsehoods and tropes.

Businesses pay taxes... sometimes... and to some extent. I believe businesses contribute to 11% of our tax income in the USA. when you consider the amount of $$ passing through them, that is very little. And I don't have a problem with that (before you get your panties twisted). A smart business will not pay much in taxes. The bulk of the taxes come from taxing the income of the workers and owners as it is passed out of the company. Workers who may be conservative or may be liberal.

You seem to believe that the people paying into the system (from which the freeloaders may be drawing) are all conservative. This is.... impossibly dumb.

You've at least backed off the idea that only liberals are abusing the system (this is a change from your previous posts implications).

I don't care what you think liberals "hate" or what they really "hate"... they pay taxes into the system, just like you do. They should get a say in however their money is spent. Just as you should.

And as for the illegals.... You assume the "punish the man" idea is something new, and not an idea that's been floated for years and years... You make assumptions about what the "democrats" want in their sanctuary cities... which is contrary to responses I've read regarding this disgusting threat. .... I'm guessing you don't really have any evidence. Just you "knowing" what others want

I honestly don't think that can be made as a statement any longer.

I mean.... it's disingenuous to characterize the left as only "regulation"... there are some on the left who truly want socialism.

Similarly, it's not really necessarily true to say "the right doesn't want capitalism regulated and accepts its destructive tendencies as part of doing business, does not accept responsibility for the harm they can cause and wants everybody else to pay for corporate excess"... some on the right truly do want to regulate business, but hate anyone different than them more than that.

you're kidding right?
I have an MBA. We discussed this in our accounting courses.
You zero out your profit through investments and deductions. Then you pay zero income tax as a corp. (yes you still pay whatever payroll taxes may be associated (ss etc)) but the fundamental concept is that profits will get taxed, while that money may be better used inside the company. This isn't news. This isn't some exciting discovery. It's smart. And I don't disagree with it. Do all companies do it? No. But it drives a number of capital purchases (and it's designed to).


As I said, you backtracked to that. Your original sentence did NOT get anywhere near that.
"Any chance to stick it to those who pay the taxes for their free services."
"their" in that sentence referred to "the left"

Just because you decided to say "both sides" a couple posts later doesn't mean I can't point out your original sentence.


mhmm.
nice try

Businesses generally pay no income tax unless it’s a trust or C-Corp. But, they usually pay at least 15% in regulatory taxes.

All employers have to pay some form of workman’s comp which is a regulatory tax masquerading as an insurance premium. When I quote a replacement shingle roof job I add have to add an additional 30% of wages to cover the cost of WC.

Employers also have to figure in about 7.5% for SS for the first $75,000 or so in wages per person. Add another 1-2 points for federal unemployment tax.

If you did what many companies do, you wouldn't have paid income taxes (yes to the others, and I mentioned payroll taxes above somewhere). Reinvestment in capital projects, I think even disbursement to shareholders are ways of zeroing out your income. It's perfectly legal and I see absolutely nothing wrong with it. (I noticed you want to pretend I think companies are evil? I suppose that fits your internal narrative... But it's dumb)

and Jerry said unto Kramer, "you don't even know what that means".

Interesting idea. A company is intended to profit?

What, may I ask, would a corporation do with the profit?

Generate money to sit on?... And do.... Nothing?

Yes a company wants a certain level of cash flow. But large profits year on year are nice... But ultimately not growth oriented.

The company can issue dividends to share holders.... But those get taxed (doubly actually, as share holders are taxed on receipt)

So a very popular strategy is to pump $$ into growth, and hope that the increase in share price from the anticipated growth will properly compensate the shareholders for their investment.

Is this infinitely sustainable? No. But it's been a really popular way for companies to operate over the last few decades, with everyone involved just hoping they cash out of the stock before the inevitable slump.

Again, your response has nothing to with what I initially stated. You remind me of that person that is always formulating a response and is never listening to what is being stated or the question.

speaking of making no sense...Trump and his peeps and his media have dropped any mention of this idea of busing people to sanctuary cities and have moved on to other stuff...

just throwing stuff on the wall...

like a 30-40 page response to the yet to be released Mueller Report, which his lawyers, Giulani and Sekulow say they haven't seen, but are preparing the response nevertheless...

wtf....who responds to the unknown?

especially after saying the report totally exonerates him...no collusion...no obstruction...total exoneration

how many pages does it take to say "see, I told you"?


Trump has truly taken us for a ride down the rabbit hole...we live in a political Wonderland...up is down and down is up, and his supporters believe him...

delta, I'm a never-Trumper who is looking for almost any non-Democrat to back, and possibly even work for in 2020.....and still, your posts make me want to defend the administration daily. Take some deep breaths and ask yourself once in a while just what is actually being done, or changed, or damaged before getting your blood pressure red-lined

Good point, opel. I agree.
Fox News 'analysts' and commentators are a good example. I think that I fundamentally agree with many of their personalities. However, I cannot watch any other than the two news hours, because the negativity and call to outrage is not of any value to me- in fact, I think they are doing a disservice to real conservatives...I guess the ends (votes) justifies the means, but the cost is mounting, imo.
... And 'read it' (news) with a certain degree of skepticism and reasoned thought. Please

I would agree with you under normal circumstances dstieg....

unfortunately we don't live in normal circumstances.

In a normally functioning government... something discussed behind closed doors as a possibility that never gets approved.... if the media got wind of it and asked the president, the answer would be something like "at this time nothing has been decided, this is just one of many possible scenarios which are being investigated."

In our abnormal government.... when the media asks trumpenfeurher's staff about this, they say something similar to the above.... but when they ask him immediately after, he says something like "Oh we're definitely going to do this".

Functionally, it's probably just something being considered/thrown out there.... but in the syphilitic mind of our moron president, it's likely already happening and boy did those libs get totally owned.