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dstieger Offline
#51 Posted: Thu, Aug 22 2019, 2:06 PM EST
Joined: 06-22-2007
Posts: 10,889
Holy FLUCKKK....a Congressperson who said something stupid?!?!? Impeach her!!

I won't likely ever agree with any position she takes.
But, she is passionate. She seems to care about issues.
She is connected to her 'base' or 'fans' or 'voters'....like nobody I've ever seen in Congress.
She may not seem to respect the 'old ways of doing things' in the Capitol...but who here has any respect for the ten termers who are content doing things the old way in Washington????

I get that any Republican would disagree with her. I don't get how we got the point where Republicans need to have someone to get riled up about...to make fun of....to hate. Trump didn't get us here. I think it was more like Rush and Hannity and the sort. Ailes or somebody figured its easier to get the base energized around hate or animosity than around support for stuff we care about. I bet that AOC, Omar and Tlaib get more coverage on Fox News than any twenty Republicans other than Trump. That's nuts.
If she's so stupid and ignorant and undeserving of her seat....then why expend any oxygen on her at all?

victor809 Offline
#52 Posted: Thu, Aug 22 2019, 2:31 PM EST
Joined: 10-14-2011
Posts: 23,866
dstieger wrote:
Holy FLUCKKK....a Congressperson who said something stupid?!?!? Impeach her!!

I won't likely ever agree with any position she takes.
But, she is passionate. She seems to care about issues.
She is connected to her 'base' or 'fans' or 'voters'....like nobody I've ever seen in Congress.
She may not seem to respect the 'old ways of doing things' in the Capitol...but who here has any respect for the ten termers who are content doing things the old way in Washington????

I get that any Republican would disagree with her. I don't get how we got the point where Republicans need to have someone to get riled up about...to make fun of....to hate. Trump didn't get us here. I think it was more like Rush and Hannity and the sort. Ailes or somebody figured its easier to get the base energized around hate or animosity than around support for stuff we care about. I bet that AOC, Omar and Tlaib get more coverage on Fox News than any twenty Republicans other than Trump. That's nuts.
If she's so stupid and ignorant and undeserving of her seat....then why expend any oxygen on her at all?



I'm not likely to agree with her on most of her policies either. Despite what most here would love to believe, I don't generally agree with the democrats, and may have been a republican if the republican party had not turned into such a sh$tshow. I never agreed with a number of the democratic party platforms. In fact almost across the board I disagree with the democrats when it comes to where the government spends its money. However, it isn't like the republicans have actually offered any sort of logical fiscal policy either (no, "cut taxes" isn't any more an intelligent fiscal policy than "forgive all student loans" is). But the republicans seem to be obsessed with demagoguery. There's always an enemy, always someone who they have to hate, always a demon, always something to be afraid of. It's nonsense and I simply cannot get behind that. I find that concept much more dangerous for our country than any policy decisions ever could be.
borndead1 Offline
#53 Posted: Thu, Aug 22 2019, 5:47 PM EST
Joined: 11-07-2006
Posts: 5,216
I don't think she's dumb. Ignorance and inexperience does not automatically equal stupidity.

I do find it funny that Trumpers think she's stupid. That's hilarious.
frankj1 Offline
#54 Posted: Thu, Aug 22 2019, 6:19 PM EST
Joined: 02-08-2007
Posts: 44,221
a couple of years ago everyone was proclaiming the desire to overturn the status quo in D.C.
Get outsiders inside and shake it up.

Trump is loved for this here.
But any Dems who did the same are stoopid idiots.

She didn't beat a newcomer for the party nomination, she beat an entrenched incumbent...absolutely almost nevah happens in either party.

This is what shaking it up looks like people!
No one said to shake it up but it has to be the same old ideas.

anyone want to change their mind now?

(and I am not a dem nor an automatic supporter)
JadeRose Offline
#55 Posted: Fri, Aug 23 2019, 8:06 AM EST
Joined: 05-15-2008
Posts: 19,525
I think her politics are pretty far out there but I LOVE the idea of her and all the other young people (mostly women) going into politics to stir $hit up. If they are pissing off old white dudes, they are doing ok
DrafterX Offline
#56 Posted: Fri, Aug 23 2019, 9:18 AM EST
Joined: 10-18-2005
Posts: 98,551
I seen her boobs once.... Mellow
tailgater Offline
#57 Posted: Fri, Aug 23 2019, 10:50 AM EST
Joined: 06-01-2000
Posts: 26,185
frankj1 wrote:
a couple of years ago everyone was proclaiming the desire to overturn the status quo in D.C.
Get outsiders inside and shake it up.

Trump is loved for this here.
But any Dems who did the same are stoopid idiots.

She didn't beat a newcomer for the party nomination, she beat an entrenched incumbent...absolutely almost nevah happens in either party.

This is what shaking it up looks like people!
No one said to shake it up but it has to be the same old ideas.

anyone want to change their mind now?

(and I am not a dem nor an automatic supporter)



I think the people who want her out are expressing their opinion on what she stands for.
I don't think anyone is turned off by her passion.

But her style of "shaking it up" is akin to "change for the sake of change" with no realistic substance.

I agree that much of her perceived stupid-ness are simply gaffs. But I don't consider her "intelligent" simply by virtue of academia. Many people who achieve success in schooling are virtually brain dead in the real world. And vice-versa.

Let her propose REAL solutions with her elected status.
Not outrageous propositions intended solely to poke the POTUS and win favor by doing so.

Face it. Her claim to fame is the Green New Deal.
That's as far fetched as creating a Space Force for crying out loud...
frankj1 Offline
#58 Posted: Fri, Aug 23 2019, 11:17 AM EST
Joined: 02-08-2007
Posts: 44,221
tailgater wrote:
I think the people who want her out are expressing their opinion on what she stands for.
I don't think anyone is turned off by her passion.

But her style of "shaking it up" is akin to "change for the sake of change" with no realistic substance.

I agree that much of her perceived stupid-ness are simply gaffs. But I don't consider her "intelligent" simply by virtue of academia. Many people who achieve success in schooling are virtually brain dead in the real world. And vice-versa.

Let her propose REAL solutions with her elected status.
Not outrageous propositions intended solely to poke the POTUS and win favor by doing so.

Face it. Her claim to fame is the Green New Deal.
That's as far fetched as creating a Space Force for crying out loud...



I'm not really current on her stuff, but I am half aware of the Green thing.
Strikes me as something that makes her more mainstream with several entrenched Dems in the House and Senate, not an example of shaking it up.

I lean toward Jade's opinion and might add that making us old white guys uncomfortable is what shaking it up means.

What did people expect when they asked for radical changes?
What stability with well thought out proposals and explanations of how to achieve them has the Shaker-in-Chief uttered?
That is not to knock him, just to point out that shaking can take different shapes.
USNGunner Offline
#59 Posted: Fri, Aug 23 2019, 11:19 AM EST
Joined: 05-17-2019
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DrafterX wrote:
I seen her boobs once.... Mellow


Pictures or it never happened! Herfing
tailgater Offline
#60 Posted: Fri, Aug 23 2019, 12:00 PM EST
Joined: 06-01-2000
Posts: 26,185
frankj1 wrote:
I'm not really current on her stuff, but I am half aware of the Green thing.
Strikes me as something that makes her more mainstream with several entrenched Dems in the House and Senate, not an example of shaking it up.

I lean toward Jade's opinion and might add that making us old white guys uncomfortable is what shaking it up means.

What did people expect when they asked for radical changes?
What stability with well thought out proposals and explanations of how to achieve them has the Shaker-in-Chief uttered?
That is not to knock him, just to point out that shaking can take different shapes.



So she was elected to shake up old white men ?
that's change for change sake, and that's rarely a good thing.

She's not my elected official so I only see the headlines.
Based on those she's a lunatic, but I'm sure she's a bit more stable on some occasions.



Krazeehorse Offline
#61 Posted: Fri, Aug 23 2019, 12:07 PM EST
Joined: 04-09-2010
Posts: 1,958
DrafterX wrote:
I seen her boobs once.... Mellow


Was she shaking them up (and down or side to side)?
Phil222 Offline
#62 Posted: Fri, Aug 23 2019, 12:20 PM EST
Joined: 10-01-2017
Posts: 1,911
AOC is a member of the “Justice Democrats.” It’s a group similar to Brand New Congress and Our Revolution. I believe all of “the squad” are from these groups.

You can read about them here: https://www.justicedemocrats.com/about/

They do have some specific guidelines and goals. They also state the reasoning behind many of the things they want to try and accomplish. I have no idea about their “staying power” or possible future success, but I do believe they are trying to achieve more than just change for change’s sake.
frankj1 Offline
#63 Posted: Fri, Aug 23 2019, 12:32 PM EST
Joined: 02-08-2007
Posts: 44,221
tailgater wrote:
So she was elected to shake up old white men ?
that's change for change sake, and that's rarely a good thing.

She's not my elected official so I only see the headlines.
Based on those she's a lunatic, but I'm sure she's a bit more stable on some occasions.




no silly, not why she was elected. but shaken up old white guys was a predictable result/bi-product/casualty of what some people called for without thinking it through.
sort of "be careful what you wish for" lesson for old white guy conservatives.

If I lived in her district, probably would have voted for the old white guy incumbent.

I'd rather help create change with more than two parties to choose from, but that looks like a real tough task.
delta1 Offline
#64 Posted: Fri, Aug 23 2019, 6:16 PM EST
Joined: 11-23-2011
Posts: 28,788
tailgater wrote:
The architects of this country were smart enough to design a system to protect a segment of the population defined by their work. People who give.*

Today we've got liberals who want to dismantle that and cater to the sloven dead beats who refuse to work. People who take.**

I must admit that I find your choice perplexing.







*got rich after kidnapping, killing, raping and subjecting millions of people into a lifetime of forced labor, allowing the rich to design a system that perpetuates their status

**people who work one, two, three jobs, and still can't provide a decent living for their families because the designed system still rewards the wealthiest people who continue to redesign a system that allows them to perpetuate their status...



Unless you are among that rich, wealthy class, I find your defense of them perplexing...
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