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izonfire Offline
#101 Posted: Thu, Aug 22 2019, 2:42 PM EST
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Howdy guys. Whatchy’all talkin about?
victor809 Offline
#102 Posted: Thu, Aug 22 2019, 2:47 PM EST
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izonfire wrote:
Howdy guys. Whatchy’all talkin about?


We were talking about you. but now that you're paying attention we're gonna have to pretend we weren't.

.... so like I was saying guys... that was the stubbiest and shortest ...um.... brick... I'd ever heard of existing....
izonfire Offline
#103 Posted: Thu, Aug 22 2019, 3:28 PM EST
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Strange that you would call a turd a brick...

But whatevs
victor809 Offline
#104 Posted: Thu, Aug 22 2019, 4:00 PM EST
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izonfire wrote:
Strange that you would call a turd a brick...

But whatevs


..... I.... I .... I think you just suggested you were a short and stubby turd?


...I'm just confused now.
delta1 Offline
#105 Posted: Thu, Aug 22 2019, 5:17 PM EST
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not that confusing or strange, guys....havencha heard the phrase, "sh:ttin bricks"?
izonfire Offline
#106 Posted: Thu, Aug 22 2019, 6:07 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
..... I.... I .... I think you just suggested you were a short and stubby turd?


...I'm just confused now.


Why you little schitt!!!!!!!

Attempting to befriend you was a total crapshoot!
I defecate in your general direction!
Such a waste!
Another stoolie launched!
I’ve told you before - this is number two!
Man.you.are discharged!
So dung with you!

POOP OUTRAGE!!!!!!!!!!!

Dueces wild!
izonfire Offline
#107 Posted: Thu, Aug 22 2019, 6:08 PM EST
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delta1 wrote:
not that confusing or strange, guys....havencha heard the phrase, "sh:ttin bricks"?


Uhhhhh, too much fiber in this thread...
Speyside Offline
#108 Posted: Thu, Aug 22 2019, 6:19 PM EST
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I didn't think this thread could be more degenerate than it had but it clearly has. Come-post some other worthless crap, that stinks to high heaven.
victor809 Offline
#109 Posted: Thu, Aug 22 2019, 6:21 PM EST
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izonfire wrote:
Why you little schitt!!!!!!!

Attempting to befriend you was a total crapshoot!
I defecate in your general direction!
Such a waste!
Another stoolie launched!
I’ve told you before - this is number two!
Man.you.are discharged!
So dung with you!

POOP OUTRAGE!!!!!!!!!!!

Dueces wild!


Who does number 2 work for?
Speyside Offline
#110 Posted: Thu, Aug 22 2019, 6:31 PM EST
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Duh, number 1.
dkeage Offline
#111 Posted: Thu, Aug 22 2019, 6:42 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
Who does number 2 work for?



I am not a number.... I am a free man!

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Yfk5-y_pYac
tailgater Offline
#112 Posted: Fri, Aug 23 2019, 11:31 AM EST
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Speyside wrote:
Tail, you really are a moron. Here is what the Russians did to effect the elections. I will use little words and simple concepts so there is a miniscule chance so you can understand it.

The indictment mentions that the Russian accounts were meant to embed with and emulate “radical” groups. The content was not designed to persuade people to change their views, but to harden those views. Confirmation bias is powerful and commonly employed in these kinds of psychological operations (a related Soviet concept is “reflexive control”—applying pressure in ways to elicit a specific, known response). The intention of these campaigns was to activate—or suppress—target groups. Not to change their views, but to change their behavior.

This is how the GRU effected the elections. Do you need this in picture form. I look forward to your simplistic response. You prolly will continue to mention hate, lies, and lack of evidence. Even though I have not lied and presented you with plausible evidence. I hate Trump, many people do. Now it's probably time for you to whatever Trump lunatics do.


How can I not mention hate when you are absolutely are dripping with it?

You can't start a statement with "you really are a moron" and then cry about being accused of being hateful. that's not how it works in real life. Or on a cigar forum.

As for your drivel above?
Please tell us the net effect.
You can't state that something is effected and call it fact without some means of measuring the effect.
Is it 80%?
was it 2 votes?
Did it decrease voter turnout or increase it?
Or did it just solidify the beliefs already ingrained in each sides base?

You like to invent your own facts willy nilly and then get mad at me for asking for details.
Remember, I'm not telling you that you're wrong. I merely asked for you to tell us what the net effect was.
The WHAT. not the HOW.

Drop the anger and the hate and maybe you'll see that you're mad at me for literally just asking you to quantify your statement that was presented as a fact.





tailgater Offline
#113 Posted: Fri, Aug 23 2019, 11:34 AM EST
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dstieger wrote:
Maybe I should have been following a bit more closely.....What 'effect' did GRU actions have on what election?



Moron!
tailgater Offline
#114 Posted: Fri, Aug 23 2019, 11:43 AM EST
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Speyside wrote:
The presidential election Dave. Their efforts are well known. In previous posts here I have mentioned what they did and what the effect was. Do some reading maybe you will find it interesting, maybe you will find it worthless.



Tell him.
It effected our election.
Our elections are decided by the number of votes people receive. But the GRU didn't necessarily effect this number. Instead the effect was on how the people who may or may not have voted felt, or in how their information was processed due to influence not unrelated to politics but possibly inconsequential to the actual vote itself, which would be a number and therefore quantifiable and thus not related to the GRU or their methods or the target audience.
So Joe Red Hat may have voted for Trump anyhow, but the GRU didn't stop him. In theory.

The only question is Why didn't Obama stop this?
tailgater Offline
#115 Posted: Fri, Aug 23 2019, 11:45 AM EST
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delta1 wrote:
The general overall effect that the GRU campaign had was to suppress the vote by reinforcing and creating negative information about Hillary in hopes of keeping voters home; the goal was not to change votes...

impossible to quantify...but given the closeness of the vote count in WI, MI, and PA...a few people staying home instead of voting could have made a difference...we'll never know, because to determine the effect conclusively, we'd have to interview a huge number of registered voters in those states....

maybe Trump's Election Fraud Commission should have put that on their agenda...


So it's like 2000 all over again?
When the state of Florida was "Called" for Al Gore before the panhandle was finished voting?
Huh.
And all this time the libs have been blaming some dude named chad.
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#116 Posted: Fri, Aug 23 2019, 11:54 AM EST
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Or more recently the MSM TV talking heads saying Killary has a 90% chance...up until they couldn’t say she didn’t while maintaining that one shred they have left.
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#117 Posted: Fri, Aug 23 2019, 12:03 PM EST
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Or more recently the MSM TV talking heads saying Killary has a 90% chance...up until they couldn’t say she didn’t while maintaining that one shred they have left.


Lot's of misinformed teary eyes that night.
tailgater Offline
#118 Posted: Fri, Aug 23 2019, 12:03 PM EST
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Or more recently the MSM TV talking heads saying Killary has a 90% chance...up until they couldn’t say she didn’t while maintaining that one shred they have left.


Good point.

Nobody likes to vote for somebody destined to lose.
It's why third party candidates never win.

I'm surprised Spey isn't on a rant about the MSM.
Because they had significantly more effect on the election.
Fact.
tailgater Offline
#119 Posted: Fri, Aug 23 2019, 12:05 PM EST
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Krazeehorse wrote:
Lot's of misinformed teary eyes that night.


Watching the election results was a fun night indeed.
But watching the reactions to the Hillary supporters and entire "news" rooms was priceless!
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#120 Posted: Fri, Aug 23 2019, 12:06 PM EST
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How, without question Obama should have. If I understand what I read correctly the GRU never intended to change votes, and they did not alter electronic votes after they were cast. Though if they had I don't think our government would tell us. I do think their goal of increasing votes for Trump through energizing his base, and decreasing votes for Clinton by denergizing her base is plausible and can be done. This is where I think the GRU effected the election. In Wisconsin, Minnesota, Michigan, and Pennsylvania the election was won and lost based on such a small percentage that what the GRU did could have changed the outcome of the election. I do hate Trump, but I do not hate that he won the election. Whatever did or didn't happen doesn't change the outcome that he won.
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#121 Posted: Fri, Aug 23 2019, 12:20 PM EST
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I guess we're left with the reality that foreign influence on an election is OK...does that even look right?


oh yeah...our POTUS said so...
Speyside Offline
#122 Posted: Fri, Aug 23 2019, 12:25 PM EST
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Joe, without question Obama should have. If I understand what I read correctly the GRU never intended to change votes, and they did not alter electronic votes after they were cast. Though if they had I don't think our government would tell us. I do think their goal of increasing votes for Trump through energizing his base, and decreasing votes for Clinton by denergizing her base is plausible and can be done. This is where I think the GRU effected the election. In Wisconsin, Minnesota, Michigan, and Pennsylvania the election was won and lost based on such a small percentage that what the GRU did could have changed the outcome of the election. I do hate Trump, but I do not hate that he won the election. Whatever did or didn't happen doesn't change the outcome that he won.
victor809 Offline
#123 Posted: Fri, Aug 23 2019, 1:22 PM EST
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Another day full of good news to report on trump. I just want to make sure I'm not missing any of the great stuff he's done.... today.

Let's see.... he started the morning by calling the Chairman of the Federal Reserve an "enemy". Note... Trump nominated this guy in 2018.
"Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
....My only question is, who is our bigger enemy, Jay Powell or Chairman Xi?"
Good news... definitely good news.

Then he decided to ORDER US companies to.... I think find an alternative to manufacturing in china? So now he thinks he's in charge of all the american companies. Definitely good news... not trying to be a dictator at all:
"The vast amounts of money made and stolen by China from the United States, year after year, for decades, will and must STOP. Our great American companies are hereby ordered to immediately start looking for an alternative to China, including bringing.. ....your companies HOME and making your products in the USA. I will be responding to China’s Tariffs this afternoon. This is a GREAT opportunity for the United States." It must be good news, because he says its a GREAT opportunity.

Then... he decided to ban all import of a legal prescription drug? And has ordered all carriers to search all incoming goods for it?
"Also, I am ordering all carriers, including Fed Ex, Amazon, UPS and the Post Office, to SEARCH FOR & REFUSE,........all deliveries of Fentanyl from China (or anywhere else!). Fentanyl kills 100,000 Americans a year. President Xi said this would stop - it didn’t. Our Economy, because of our gains in the last 2 1/2 years, is MUCH larger than that of China. We will keep it that way!"
So.... sounds like he also thinks he is in charge of FedEx.... and can single-handedly ban the import of a legal prescription drug.... and can tell carriers what sort of substances they should voluntarily refuse to carry?

Definitely good news.... Only the best news. And this is just the past hour or two. I'm sure there will be better news to come.
Speyside Offline
#124 Posted: Fri, Aug 23 2019, 2:20 PM EST
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A bigley yuuuuge day. Trumpian in stature. Very Lidwig II of Bavaria like.
delta1 Offline
#125 Posted: Fri, Aug 23 2019, 2:57 PM EST
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if Obama did more to shine a light on and stop Russia's meddling, he would've been accused of putting his thumb on the scale, interfering with the 2016 election, helping Hillary to win...

Trump now is aware that Russia has continued its efforts to interfere with our elections since 2015, and yet he's done ........................ nothing, except to encourage foreign countries to provide info to help him....
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#126 Posted: Fri, Aug 23 2019, 5:56 PM EST
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Thought this was settled ages ago, I'll hope for accurate memory...

Obama started with diplomacy, confronted Putin (who was not on the admired despot list at that time). Putin denied and ignored requests to call off the operations...I think later there were even attempts by Putin to distance the implicated meddlers from any official Russian Government actions.

it took until maybe October that year for McConnell to refuse and Ryan (who wanted in) to fail to get the GOP senators and reps on board with condemning Russia! Both groups of Dems had already agreed to do so.

by then Obama decided it would look too much like trying to help Hillary...and he was correct about that assumption...though it didn't stop Comey's late actions.

As it was, 12 Russians were charged and kicked out of the country, and two or three Russian spy houses were put out of business, late in Obama's last term.

Sanctions were imposed, Trump initially did not continue implementation but later did comply.
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#127 Posted: Fri, Aug 23 2019, 7:27 PM EST
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Frank I think you are correct, but it doesn't change the fact that Obama didn't do the right think. Political outcomes should have been a secondary consideration. Same the for the whores called the Republican party.
ZRX1200 Offline
#128 Posted: Fri, Aug 23 2019, 10:16 PM EST
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Oh condemned!

A step farther than a strongly worded letter!
frankj1 Offline
#129 Posted: Fri, Aug 23 2019, 10:21 PM EST
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Oh condemned!

A step farther than a strongly worded letter!

too strong for Mitch though...
tailgater Offline
#130 Posted: Sat, Aug 24 2019, 9:08 AM EST
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delta1 wrote:
if Obama did more to shine a light on and stop Russia's meddling, he would've been accused of putting his thumb on the scale, interfering with the 2016 election, helping Hillary to win...

Trump now is aware that Russia has continued its efforts to interfere with our elections since 2015, and yet he's done ........................ nothing, except to encourage foreign countries to provide info to help him....



You do realize that this all started with the fake anti trump dossier funded by Hillary. Don't you?

This is a prime example of how the main stream media shapes the public perception.

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#131 Posted: Sat, Aug 24 2019, 9:13 AM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
Thought this was settled ages ago, I'll hope for accurate memory...

Obama started with diplomacy, confronted Putin (who was not on the admired despot list at that time). Putin denied and ignored requests to call off the operations...I think later there were even attempts by Putin to distance the implicated meddlers from any official Russian Government actions.

it took until maybe October that year for McConnell to refuse and Ryan (who wanted in) to fail to get the GOP senators and reps on board with condemning Russia! Both groups of Dems had already agreed to do so.

by then Obama decided it would look too much like trying to help Hillary...and he was correct about that assumption...though it didn't stop Comey's late actions.

As it was, 12 Russians were charged and kicked out of the country, and two or three Russian spy houses were put out of business, late in Obama's last term.

Sanctions were imposed, Trump initially did not continue implementation but later did comply.




You're confusing "react" with "prevent".

Nobody is asking why Obama didn't react to this fiasco. He did. But too little too late.
If it was a real threat then the optics of it all shouldn't have mattered.
At all.
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#132 Posted: Sat, Aug 24 2019, 9:14 AM EST
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Speyside wrote:
Frank I think you are correct, but it doesn't change the fact that Obama didn't do the right think. Political outcomes should have been a secondary consideration. Same the for the whores called the Republican party.


Or I could have just read the next post where Speyside sums it up better than I, perhaps.
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#133 Posted: Sat, Aug 24 2019, 9:14 AM EST
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Oh condemned!

A step farther than a strongly worded letter!


Don't think he didn't consider that!
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#134 Posted: Sat, Aug 24 2019, 10:41 AM EST
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Or I could read Tails next post where he mocks me for having an opinion or acts like his words have an impact on those that reach different conclusions than he does, or I could read it thinking we could have a constructive argument exchanging ideas that might cause each of us to think deeper on a given subject, or he might mock me for being delusional which would be true I thought he was capable of constructive argument. Therefore I read his posts for the laughter he provides me, and hopefully to find a modicum of insight into how closed minded individuals think. Sadly he would have to think for me to find that insight.
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#135 Posted: Sat, Aug 24 2019, 11:42 AM EST
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tailgater wrote:
You do realize that this all started with the fake anti trump dossier funded by Hillary. Don't you?

This is a prime example of how the main stream media shapes the public perception.


can you point out Mueller's take on the role of this dossier bandied about here so often?
Not the media...Mueller.
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#136 Posted: Sat, Aug 24 2019, 11:44 AM EST
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tailgater wrote:
You're confusing "react" with "prevent".


may I assume you are being preposterous?
tailgater Offline
#137 Posted: Sat, Aug 24 2019, 12:29 PM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
may I assume you are being preposterous?


No.
tailgater Offline
#138 Posted: Sat, Aug 24 2019, 12:31 PM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
can you point out Mueller's take on the role of this dossier bandied about here so often?
Not the media...Mueller.


Mueller refused to discuss it.
Not sure what you're after here.
Be fun to discuss over a beer.
Soon.
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#139 Posted: Sat, Aug 24 2019, 2:04 PM EST
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our intelligence network say Russia's efforts to interfere with our elections continue...

yet Trump says he would take any foreign nation's help...and prostrates himself in front of Putin...

but Obama....
tailgater Offline
#140 Posted: Sat, Aug 24 2019, 3:01 PM EST
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delta1 wrote:
our intelligence network say Russia's efforts to interfere with our elections continue...

yet Trump says he would take any foreign nation's help...and prostrates himself in front of Putin...

but Obama....


So THIS TIME it's important to act.

Because...Trump.
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#141 Posted: Sat, Aug 24 2019, 3:44 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
Mueller refused to discuss it.
Not sure what you're after here.
Be fun to discuss over a beer.
Soon.



I know. I feel badly that so much time has passed.
Kind of got a deep rut (getting deeper) at home but looking for a breakthrough early Fall.
tailgater Offline
#142 Posted: Sun, Aug 25 2019, 8:28 AM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
I know. I feel badly that so much time has passed.
Kind of got a deep rut (getting deeper) at home but looking for a breakthrough early Fall.




Last minute (second?) but if you find yourself in Boston today at 12:30 we'll be at the Union Oyster House where my second daughter will celebrate her first legal drink in Massachusetts.
She's 21 today and we're hopping around the town, starting near the haymarket where all the old pubs are.

For those that don't know the city, the Union Oyster House touts itself as America's Oldest Restaurant.
(Those in the know recognize the White Horse Tavern in Newport, but we'll keep it our secret)

And there are several with some form of history. Like the Green Dragon Tavern, where Paul Revere and those dudes met up to drink and form the revolution.
Buildings have burned and been rebuilt, but the aura remains. It's pretty cool.

Then we're torn between the North End for the Feast of St. Anthony's or over past the Commons to Newbury Street where they'll be blocking off the road to vehicles and will have street vendors and such.

Either way, Sir Frank, you and Caren have my number. And first drink is on me.
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#143 Posted: Sun, Aug 25 2019, 12:45 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
Last minute (second?) but if you find yourself in Boston today at 12:30 we'll be at the Union Oyster House where my second daughter will celebrate her first legal drink in Massachusetts.
She's 21 today and we're hopping around the town, starting near the haymarket where all the old pubs are.

For those that don't know the city, the Union Oyster House touts itself as America's Oldest Restaurant.
(Those in the know recognize the White Horse Tavern in Newport, but we'll keep it our secret)

And there are several with some form of history. Like the Green Dragon Tavern, where Paul Revere and those dudes met up to drink and form the revolution.
Buildings have burned and been rebuilt, but the aura remains. It's pretty cool.

Then we're torn between the North End for the Feast of St. Anthony's or over past the Commons to Newbury Street where they'll be blocking off the road to vehicles and will have street vendors and such.

Either way, Sir Frank, you and Caren have my number. And first drink is on me.


Mazel Tov to all of youse guys.

ain't gonna make it though I know your invite is sincere...TLC is not in motion yet.

9 years ago this week our daughter got married on the spectacular 33rd floor of 60 State St, views of everything, including looking down at the Feast of St Anthony. When fireworks started to explode just below us during the reception/party, guests rushed to the yuuuge windows to look down at them.
One commented to me what a great thing to have happen during the wedding, to which I replied...well worth the $50 upcharge!
earned a big round of applause.
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#144 Posted: Sun, Aug 25 2019, 1:15 PM EST
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And the newsworthy, feel good about trump story of today.... in which he 1 - lies that the fellow world leaders asked him questions; 2 - lies that the fellow world leaders think "the USA is doing so well" and 3 - lies that they asked "why the American media hates the USA"....


Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
"The question I was asked most today by fellow World Leaders, who think the USA is doing so well and is stronger than ever before, happens to be, “Mr. President, why does the American media hate your Country so much? Why are they rooting for it to fail?"

Yep. Another attack on the media. Claims the american media hates america. The american media should totally promote this trump-positive news.

what a f-king idiot....
delta1 Offline
#145 Posted: Sun, Aug 25 2019, 2:17 PM EST
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waiting for tail to post an actual positive Trump story...

all this "fake" stuff is getting depressing...Trump Depression Syndrome (TDS) is a real thing...
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#146 Posted: Sun, Aug 25 2019, 2:37 PM EST
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You'll wait a long time Al. Take up woodworking, you can build a new dinning room set by then. But , not story telling, you'll never be as good as Tail.
delta1 Offline
#147 Posted: Sun, Aug 25 2019, 4:09 PM EST
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well, he did leave the country...
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#148 Posted: Sun, Aug 25 2019, 4:10 PM EST
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He made America great again.

He’s going to keep America great again in 2020.

#noworsethananythingelsethelast20years
Speyside Offline
#149 Posted: Sun, Aug 25 2019, 4:16 PM EST
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Who was our last truely great president? For me it would have to be Ronald Reagan.
Speyside Offline
#150 Posted: Sun, Aug 25 2019, 4:17 PM EST
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So Z, I think you have to go back farther than 20 years. Though I think president Cheney was far better than Trump!!!
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