| 1. Author: opelmanta1900 | Date: Thu, 7/12/2018, 10:19AM EST | |
well, according to the testimony of supreme douchebag fbi agent petey stzrok, it was "wildly successful"... how so?
"But the honest truth is that Russian interference in our elections constitutes a grave attack on our democracy. Most disturbingly, it has been wildly successful - sowing discord in our nation and shaking faith in our institutions."
seriously? seriously... thats the best explanation the fbi has for what russia did... they sowed discord... they shook our faith... what do we call the dnc rigging of the primary? Same?
glad petey boy and the fbi confirmed what most of us already knew about the russian "interference"... #nothingburger |
| 2. Author: Speyside | Date: Thu, 7/12/2018, 10:31AM EST | |
I think there is proof that they attempted to influence our election. I believe the NSA, CIA, and FBI. I sure haven't seen any proof that they were successful. Actually I think Comey had the most influence on the election. He never mentioned there was an ongoing investigation of Trump, which was appropriate. He did publicly address the Clinton investigation and publicly address reopening it. Though he did say there was nothing there. This was inappropriate and I think damaging. Though nothing near as insidious as the DNC conspiracy to stop Sanders. Even though I am loathe to say it I am glad Trump is our president and not Clinton. |
| 3. Author: DrafterX | Date: Thu, 7/12/2018, 11:14AM EST | |
I heard Comey was born in Russia....  |
| 4. Author: ZRX1200 | Date: Thu, 7/12/2018, 11:54AM EST | |
Comey thought she was getting elected.
And we meddle in our ALLIES ELECTIONS. If you believe Russia had a major influence you're purposely showing ignorance. |
| 5. Author: tailgater | Date: Thu, 7/12/2018, 11:59AM EST | |
Speyside wrote:I think there is proof that they attempted to influence our election. I believe the NSA, CIA, and FBI. I sure haven't seen any proof that they were successful. Actually I think Comey had the most influence on the election. He never mentioned there was an ongoing investigation of Trump, which was appropriate. He did publicly address the Clinton investigation and publicly address reopening it. Though he did say there was nothing there. This was inappropriate and I think damaging. Though nothing near as insidious as the DNC conspiracy to stop Sanders. Even though I am loathe to say it I am glad Trump is our president and not Clinton. I agree. Except you have to also mention the difference between Trump and Hillary. The Trump investigation itself was suspect. He was a private citizen at that point. Hillary's investigation involved actions taken while secretary of state. |
| 6. Author: Speyside | Date: Thu, 7/12/2018, 12:04PM EST | |
Agreed. |
| 7. Author: tailgater | Date: Thu, 7/12/2018, 12:21PM EST | |
Call it!
1 pm on 7/12/2018.
Spey and Tail shared a moment.
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| 8. Author: Speyside | Date: Thu, 7/12/2018, 1:09PM EST | |
TG, we b*tch and cuss, but I do know you are one of the good guys. Heck, I'd have a beer with you anytime. Truthfully I'd probably have wine. |
| 9. Author: teedubbya | Date: Thu, 7/12/2018, 1:16PM EST | |
I think wildly successful would be if they gained undue influence. Orgasmically successful would be if they got a puppet intent on weakening NATO, the EU and normalizing the invasion of crimea. |
| 10. Author: victor809 | Date: Thu, 7/12/2018, 1:20PM EST | |
... whew... Good thing that isn't going to happen... |
| 11. Author: opelmanta1900 | Date: Thu, 7/12/2018, 1:30PM EST | |
teedubbya wrote:I think wildly successful would be if they gained undue influence. Orgasmically successful would be if they got a puppet intent on weakening NATO, the EU and normalizing the invasion of crimea. Paranoia, paranoia Everybody's coming to get me Just say you never met me I'm going underground with the moles digging holes |
| 12. Author: Buckwheat | Date: Thu, 7/12/2018, 1:31PM EST | |
It certainly accomplished too many pointless threads in a cigar forum.  |
| 13. Author: delta1 | Date: Thu, 7/12/2018, 1:35PM EST | |
teedubbya wrote:I think wildly successful would be if they gained undue influence. Orgasmically successful would be if they got a puppet intent on weakening NATO, the EU and normalizing the invasion of crimea. and backing off economic sanctions due to annexation of Crimea...while publicly ignoring the Russian goal of upsetting the balance of world power... |
| 14. Author: DrafterX | Date: Thu, 7/12/2018, 1:44PM EST | |
We should invade Crimea... |
| 15. Author: RMAN4443 | Date: Thu, 7/12/2018, 2:03PM EST | |
DrafterX wrote:We should invade Crimea... I heard Crimea was a chithole...  |
| 16. Author: Phil222 | Date: Thu, 7/12/2018, 2:23PM EST | |
I’m just thankful that America doesn’t have a long history of meddling in other countries elections...
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| 17. Author: dstieger | Date: Thu, 7/12/2018, 2:47PM EST | |
Might be tough to quantify, but if you could somehow measure.......
Which entity had more 'influence' in the 2016 election outcome? Russia? Or members of the US Justice Department? |
| 18. Author: teedubbya | Date: Thu, 7/12/2018, 3:10PM EST | |
Phil222 wrote:I’m just thankful that America doesn’t have a long history of meddling in other countries elections...
And now we should welcome others meddling in ours.... seems like good logic We have had spies in other countries so we should remove all laws prohibiting such action in ours |
| 19. Author: teedubbya | Date: Thu, 7/12/2018, 3:11PM EST | |
dstieger wrote:Might be tough to quantify, but if you could somehow measure.......
Which entity had more 'influence' in the 2016 election outcome? Russia? Or members of the US Justice Department? That's a good question. Comey's announcement pretty much doomed hill dog all the while another investigation went on with no announcement |
| 20. Author: DrafterX | Date: Thu, 7/12/2018, 3:31PM EST | |
Hildog doomed Hildog... |
| 21. Author: Phil222 | Date: Thu, 7/12/2018, 3:35PM EST | |
teedubbya wrote:And now we should welcome others meddling in ours.... seems like good logic
We have had spies in other countries so we should remove all laws prohibiting such action in ours I don't think I ever said that we should weclome it. Just pointing out the fact that our country has done the same and worse, yet no one ever seems to faux outrage over it. I just think it's interesting is all. Please continue on with the Trump is a Russian puppet narrative... seems like good logic |
| 22. Author: teedubbya | Date: Thu, 7/12/2018, 3:42PM EST | |
I misunderstood what you were trying to say. I thought you were saying we shouldn't be outraged because we have done it. I'm sorry if that is not what you meant. There seems to be a lot of so and so did it so this guy can do it to going on in here. I missed that you are not one of those people.
You won't ever hear me say one of our enemies can take action against us because we did the same. I'm an admitted hypocrite especially when it comes to my country over others. |
| 23. Author: Phil222 | Date: Thu, 7/12/2018, 3:47PM EST | |
teedubbya wrote:I'm an admitted hypocrite especially when it comes to my country over others. At least you can admit it. I'm still in denial. |
| 24. Author: teedubbya | Date: Thu, 7/12/2018, 3:53PM EST | |
Phil222 wrote:At least you can admit it. I'm still in denial.
Whell when you get back from Egypt maybe things will normalize |
| 25. Author: teedubbya | Date: Thu, 7/12/2018, 3:55PM EST | |
Wouldn't it suck if another country decided to invade us because they thought we had chemical weapons or if they bombed our nuclear sites because they didn't want us to have nukes. |
| 26. Author: Phil222 | Date: Thu, 7/12/2018, 4:01PM EST | |
teedubbya wrote:Whell when you get back from Egypt maybe things will normalize Who says I'm coming back?  |
| 27. Author: victor809 | Date: Thu, 7/12/2018, 4:02PM EST | |
...or if a collection of countries decided the land we are on was forcibly taken from a displaced group and should be given back....
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| 28. Author: DrafterX | Date: Thu, 7/12/2018, 4:02PM EST | |
Would suck for them fur shurr... |
| 29. Author: Phil222 | Date: Thu, 7/12/2018, 4:15PM EST | |
dstieger wrote:Which entity had more 'influence' in the 2016 election outcome? Russia? Or members of the US Justice Department? I think you could throw the DNC on that list as well. Had they not put their finger on the scale...Trump vs. Bernie? Who knows...impossible to quantify. |
| 30. Author: teedubbya | Date: Thu, 7/12/2018, 4:16PM EST | |
Are you that sure we could beat back china, russia or others without killing ourselves if they decided to bomb our nuclear sites because they didn't want us to have them?
My only point is we tell others they can't do what we did and I'm good with that. merica |
| 31. Author: delta1 | Date: Thu, 7/12/2018, 4:49PM EST | |
We sure are good at meddling...Putin won again...wait...he's better at meddling...he just eliminates the opposition...
other than Latin America and the Middle East in the 50's-70's, can anyone show me any examples of US interference in a country's elections that resulted in our preferred candidate prevailing? "Meddle" like what the Russians did is defined as secretive, clandestine, intentionally unbeknownst to and concealed from authorities in the attacked nation.
The cons want us to accept the argument that "we meddle in other countries, so it's OK if they do it to us" because they don't want to acknowledge that their candidate may have gotten a boost from a foreign adversary, one that they have condemned as a scourge on the Free World since WWII...
And the man who was helped has a history of personal business relationships with people in the foreign adversary country ...and after taking office, seems to be doing his part in a quid pro quo...
Trump Tower Moscow seemed to be a big but surreptitious conversation item during the campaign...Cohen's legal problems may shed some light on that...
are we also lowering our standards so that we turn a blind eye to the man occupying the highest office in the land enriching himself while in office... |
| 32. Author: tailgater | Date: Thu, 7/12/2018, 4:58PM EST | |
Speyside wrote:TG, we b*tch and cuss, but I do know you are one of the good guys. Heck, I'd have a beer with you anytime. Truthfully I'd probably have wine. You're right. You would whine. |
| 33. Author: tailgater | Date: Thu, 7/12/2018, 5:00PM EST | |
victor809 wrote:...or if a collection of countries decided the land we are on was forcibly taken from a displaced group and should be given back....
That might be Elizabeth Warren's end game. She'd be queen squaw. |
| 34. Author: ZRX1200 | Date: Thu, 7/12/2018, 5:02PM EST | |
No.....I think it's disengenuous to call Russia some spectacularly evil nation for doing this when many countries do. Including US. I think your characterization is short sided and incorrect.
Israel PM election under Obama would be the first one that comes to mind. Effective? No. Russia spent moneyon defeating Trump too you know.....they want chaos. Obama knew what Russia was doing, did he stop it? |
| 35. Author: Phil222 | Date: Thu, 7/12/2018, 5:24PM EST | |
I don’t think we will know the extent of our more recent meddling until some time in the future. We are just now admitting to things we did over 50 years ago.
-Dov Levin Ph.D...this article qoutes some of his research. There are some examples of more recent stuff in here.
https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/americas-long-history-of-meddling-in-other-countries-elections |
| 36. Author: xibbumbero | Date: Thu, 7/12/2018, 5:42PM EST | |
It seems that it got us a potus who wouldn't know the truth if it hit him in his fat orange face. X  |
| 37. Author: SteveS | Date: Thu, 7/12/2018, 5:49PM EST | |
xibbumbero wrote:It seems that it got us a potus who wouldn't know the truth if it hit him in his fat orange face. X compared to his predecessor who, if he DID know the truth smacking him in his black face, deliberately lied his ass of anyway ... |
| 38. Author: opelmanta1900 | Date: Thu, 7/12/2018, 5:53PM EST | |
SteveS wrote:compared to his predecessor who, if he DID know the truth smacking him in his black face, deliberately lied his ass of anyway ...
#whitepower |
| 39. Author: DrafterX | Date: Thu, 7/12/2018, 6:19PM EST | |
Gotta admit tho, the Russians ability to hack voting machines not even connected to the Internets is impressive... |
| 40. Author: opelmanta1900 | Date: Thu, 7/12/2018, 6:20PM EST | |
Not as impressive as their ability to hack Latina grandmothers... |
| 41. Author: Mr. Jones | Date: Thu, 7/12/2018, 6:28PM EST | |
To the "O.P."...
+1
NOTHINGBURGER X INFINITY...
I CAN'T COUNT HOW MANY ELECTIONS I F**KED WITH
IN C.A. AND S.A. FROM 79-86 FOR THE U.S. GUBMENT....
TOO MANY TO COUNT...
THEN THERES THE DOZENS UPON DOZENS (IF NOT HUNDREDS) OF D.N.C. HEAVEY STUFFED WITH $$$$
SUIT CASES IN BEATER CAR TRUNKS, PICKED UP IN THE CLEVELAND FLATS... WITH STOPS IN PITTSBURGH THEN DELIVERED TO PHILLY...
THAT DOUGH ^^^^SURE SWAYED SOME U.S. ELECTIONS...
P.L.U.R.A.L. FO' SHO'!!!
THE USA HAS MESSED WITH SO MANY OTHER COUNTRIES ELECTIONS THAT IT IS A JOKE TO EVEN WORRY ABOUT RUSSIAN INTERFERENCE....
Tres Norte and Snub Whitey says....
Just fugggggetabouddd-ditttt |
| 42. Author: DrafterX | Date: Thu, 7/12/2018, 6:34PM EST | |
The reality that Hillary just sucked isn't even plausible.. people wanted hope and change and the peoples knew Hillary couldn't deliver... |
| 43. Author: teedubbya | Date: Thu, 7/12/2018, 7:29PM EST | |
You realize that can be true as well as the Russian meddling for trump right?its not mutually exclusive and not everyone concerned about Russia’s actions are concerned because they like or wanted hillary. Why don’t you want to know what really happened?
At least Z is honest. He doesn’t think Russia or Putin are our enemy and doesn’t cate if they did do it because we deserve it. |
| 44. Author: teedubbya | Date: Thu, 7/12/2018, 7:29PM EST | |
Care not cate |
| 45. Author: frankj1 | Date: Thu, 7/12/2018, 7:30PM EST | |
nope.
Hope and change was Obama.
Strain the Swamp (and save the big pieces) is Trump. Welcome back Goldman Sachs. Cross thread reference: E. Warren is your only hope in the banking/stock/finance predator protection arena, like it or not.
Anyhoo...
Meddling is a good word, more accurate than the right wing distorted take that Russia has been investigated for "fixing" the election. Not hacking voting machines, how many are even on line?
Widening the gap between Americans and their most trusted agencies (and each other),...smart goal but required INFLUENCE.
Influence! That was the goal. Not stuffing the ballot box.
Gazillions of dollars distributed. I must have said something like this a dozen times in the last 2 years. Who got the money? Manafort et al. Who sold access to Trump? Need I list the names?
Anyone see any signs of it working?
If not, total denial.
I hope President Putin doesn't read this.....HA!
OK, I got dramatic. But I am about as uninfluenced by social media (flip fone) as possible and almost never recognize the names posted here of big name influencers.
All the little ads in the world can't make that happen without yuuuge help, like improved PR in the USA for Russia? |
| 46. Author: DrafterX | Date: Thu, 7/12/2018, 7:34PM EST | |
It's an old argument.. I was just kiddin...  |
| 47. Author: frankj1 | Date: Thu, 7/12/2018, 7:48PM EST | |
DrafterX wrote:It's an old argument.. I was just kiddin... it's not you. It''s me. |
| 48. Author: DrafterX | Date: Thu, 7/12/2018, 7:52PM EST | |
No.. it was me...  |
| 49. Author: frankj1 | Date: Thu, 7/12/2018, 8:01PM EST | |
OK, it was both of us.
We good? |
| 50. Author: Burner02 | Date: Thu, 7/12/2018, 8:09PM EST | |
xibbumbero wrote:It seems that it got us a potus who wouldn't know the truth if it hit him in his fat orange face. X Obama had an orange face? You racist. |
