Yeah, but they're only doing it out of deep maternal/paternal instincts....nope, still sounds like a pile of ka-ka to me

They shoot you.... or so I heard...

prolly worse if they make you live there.

it can't all be bad...

I'd pop a cap...

Tv guides??? did he give them TV Guides to soothe their maternal/paternal instincts to let their kids know when favorite shows were on?...

Sounds like a first world problem...

Enough of that stuff macs

Can we get back to focusing on how villainous America is and that most of our laws have racism at heart rather than safety, prosperity, etc.

illegal entry should not be OK, we agree.

I was being funny (guess not) about how to respond to it, sort of how I feel when I read admiring comments about the way Iran and others handle criminals...cuz I think we are better than any of 'em.

I hear you..........but why hamper an investigation when you are the victim unless you have something to hide?

Ask Trump that same question.

I'm kidding

Pretty sure he was just kiddin...

Red tape and payola. Gotcha. Hope its worth it.
I'll bet though that Mexican fishing vessels have to get similar clearance from us.  

And aren't Illegal activities a whole other beast? Like undocumented immigration?
Pretty sure if what you have to go through, annoying as it is, was all an immigrant had to go through to get processed, he'd be very happy. You're apple and orangeing I think.

Smugglers are dealt with harshly by all governments. And should be. Fluck em I have to work for a living.

But when tens of thousands try crossing (and about 1000 drown every 6 months) the Mediterranean to get to Italy,  or 300 die every year (10,000 dead since 94)  trying to cross from Mexico (illegally) in to the US, I have to ask 'wtf would make people, families, risk all, life and limb, that way?'.

Desperation, right? Not bass and mackerel.

Immigration and Refugeeism, legal and otherwise is epidemic. It's a flucked up global reality. Better than from a couple of years ago from what I've read but still nuts.
It's overwhelming  Europe and Africa and us. Over 20 million refugees are being hosted in just the Middle East, Africa and South Asia. Was a big reason for trumps getting elected, Brexit, the recent bizarre Italian election results... a whole long list of things....

I get your point. Mexico isn't the US. But who is? 

I don't have the solution, but stupid fox-like soundbites like 'lefties want open borders' aren't helping anyone. Left does it too but to me its just childish bs. Net effect, more division.

A big part of why it's such a hot topic now is Trump has changed the game. It's much harder to apply now. So more illegal attempts...

Personally, I suspect/hope that in time, what's practical and humane and financially reasonable will combine to settle the crisis.

Cons consider Ronald Reagan one of the greatest Presidents in US history. He wouldn't recognize the cons current positions and attitudes towards immigration....he didn't see monsters in every person trying to cross the border....he saw people trying to make a better life for themselves and their families, so he granted amnesty while approving increased border security.....cons are moving further and further to the extreme, as they believe many libs are doing (some are)....we need some moderation, but nobody has an inch to spare.

I'm sure some of them are great parents...

ka-ka or BullChit...I've been hearing a lot of whatever you choose to call it...and your right, BullChit does stink...it is an aural as well as an olfactory offense....

You prefer dum dum?

Seems to me that doing anything less than taking a stronger position would literally prove insanity. We can't keep doing the same thing over and over and yet expect a different result.
We've played the amnesty card already.
We've promised to "increase" border security too many times.
It doesn't work.

And worse: now that TDS reigns supreme, whenever an attempt is made to tighten border security by, oh I don't know, ENFORCING the laws, the administration is accused of tearing apart families.

I say No to blanket amnesty, and Yes to increasing border security.
I was against the concept of a wall from the get go. We could create a virtual wall by making it truly illegal (because there are now varying degrees of it) to hire an undocumented immigrant. Make it truly illegal to house them. To feed them. unless you're just tending to them while you wait for ICE to arrive because you already called them.

It's not inhumane to expect, nay to DEMAND that our laws be upheld.

You want open borders? Change the laws. Don't lash out towards those that enforce the current ones.

Actually I'd prefer you GFY.

NO... emphatically no.... donald trump gossiping with vlad didn't violate any laws and didn't steal the election from anyone...

what hilldog did was defraud the american people and rig the run-up to the presidential election... not even comparable to the vlad/trump bromance...

seriously, how do you not see that?

Monkeys..!!

and here we agree...yet I fear we may find just how much our economy is dependent upon immigrant labor, legal or not.
Sad to say that businesses large and small, from landscapers and restaurants to mega corporations have been complicit.

I'm willing to find out though.

I worked at a deli meat and sausage production company down in Burbank... the plant was in shambles... the meat they produced was dangerous...

drains didn't drain properly, hot water didn't work in some areas of the plant, workers would use the restroom without removing their work smocks and rarely washed their hands afterward...

I was able to make some major changes, but it was lipstick on a pig...

I even had a very respected individual in the meat science field - dr keith belk - come out to the plant and strongly encourage me to quit before someone died from the meat being produced...

None of that is exaggerated... the usda had a target on this place and openly discussed it from day 1... within a month of taking the job, the plant was handed a notice of intended enforcement, meaning the usda intended to shut the place down... we worked our way out of it, but the plant continued to have serious issues and still does I'm sure...

My point? The plant should've been shut down long ago and their business absorbed by a larger company producing at usda level specifications... but they continue to stay in business.... because they employ, almost exclusively, illegal immigrant labor...

You can work them overtime without pay, you can treat them like garbage, you can shave hours off their paycheck, and they Never complain....

I'm not a big fan of big business... as much as i hate the thought of cargill (used to work for them too) taking over this chunk of business, at least i know cargill isn't keeping their prices artificially low by utilizing a labor force that cuts corners on food safety and security... they have too much to lose to risk it...

Will clamping down on illegal immigration raise prices? On some things... things like meat, the actual dollar figure will go up... but in relatively little time the economy will adjust and your wage will still purchase the same amount of meat that it always has...

Things like landscaping? You'll see 2 things... the first is the return of neighborhood kids to manual labor, something i see as long overdue... the second is the return of the homeowner investing his own time in his own land, again, something i view as long overdue..

But Hillary, but Obama, that's just Trump being Trump. All that is old and laughable. The Russians have an ongoing cyber war with our county, Trump is siding with Putin. Many cons here seem fine with that. I prefer to see the truth.

Hilldog and the dnc LITERALLY - NOT FIGURATIVELY - LITERALLY rigged half of the election process... they single handedly nullified the voices and votes of 1/4 of the American population... they've altered the course of American history and are responsible for the election of trump.. and you've labeled it "unethical" and excused it with reasons of "everyone does it"...

Trump shared some gossip with someone - something we know had little to no effect on the election - and you call it treason... you're a regular old #mentalmckaylamaroney...

Huck, my original comment was about the DNC server issue and had nothing to with Trump. You are the one that decided to take it down the rabbit hole.

Not going to waste my breath.