1. Author: DrafterX | Date: Tue, 7/23/2019, 7:38AM EST | |
So, if he doesn't say what you want to hear will you be ok with that or insist he's covering somethin up..?? |
2. Author: rfenst | Date: Tue, 7/23/2019, 8:07AM EST | |
DrafterX wrote:So, if he doesn't say what you want to hear will you be ok with that or insist he's covering somethin up..?? I will only believe his testimony if it impunes Trump. Otherwise, Mueller is a liar when it comes to Trump. How about you? |
3. Author: DrafterX | Date: Tue, 7/23/2019, 8:20AM EST | |
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4. Author: DrafterX | Date: Tue, 7/23/2019, 12:20PM EST | |
Apparently Mueller is just the beginning... dozens more, especially anyone's name Mueller mentions, will be in front of Congress soon.... but it's not a witch hunt or anything.. . |
5. Author: Krazeehorse | Date: Tue, 7/23/2019, 12:25PM EST | |
Hope they can find some time to make laws and stuff. |
6. Author: RMAN4443 | Date: Tue, 7/23/2019, 12:54PM EST | |
Krazeehorse wrote:Hope they can find some time to make laws and stuff. well, they do go on vacation next month, so maybe when they get back they'll be all rested and ready to go...or not, who knows... |
7. Author: joeyjoejoejr314 | Date: Tue, 7/23/2019, 1:20PM EST | |
RMAN4443 wrote:well, they do go on vacation next month, so maybe when they get back they'll be all rested and ready to go...or not, who knows... Vacation? Like Golfing? |
8. Author: RMAN4443 | Date: Tue, 7/23/2019, 1:22PM EST | |
joeyjoejoejr314 wrote:Vacation? Like Golfing? Yeah,....like that... |
9. Author: DrafterX | Date: Tue, 7/23/2019, 1:43PM EST | |
Cept they have to pay to play on someone else's golf course... |
10. Author: tamapatom | Date: Tue, 7/23/2019, 1:45PM EST | |
I think we fare better when Congress does nothing. Send them on vacation for the rest of their term. |
11. Author: Krazeehorse | Date: Tue, 7/23/2019, 1:58PM EST | |
DrafterX wrote:Cept they have to pay to play on someone else's golf course... |
12. Author: Mrs. dpnewell | Date: Tue, 7/23/2019, 4:53PM EST | |
tamapatom wrote:I think we fare better when Congress does nothing. Send them on vacation for the rest of their term. Sounds good to me. David |
13. Author: bs_kwaj | Date: Tue, 7/23/2019, 8:12PM EST | |
Krazeehorse wrote:Hope they can find some time to make laws and stuff. We probably don't need no more stinkin' laws. |
14. Author: Krazeehorse | Date: Tue, 7/23/2019, 9:59PM EST | |
bs_kwaj wrote:We probably don't need no more stinkin' laws. You got me there. Maybe a 2 year recess? |
15. Author: rfenst | Date: Wed, 7/24/2019, 5:30AM EST | |
Oh $hit, I was gong to watch Mueller this morning, but just realized I have a doc appointment..Was hoping to see some serious fireworks as the Dems and Repubs mentally lose it in front o the cameras. |
16. Author: DrafterX | Date: Wed, 7/24/2019, 6:44AM EST | |
I'm sure we'll see the highlights.... |
17. Author: DrafterX | Date: Wed, 7/24/2019, 9:30AM EST | |
On the issue of whether Trump attempted to obstruct his investigation, Mueller said, “Based on Justice Department policy and principles of fairness, we decided we would not make a determination as to whether the president committed a crime. That was our decision then and it remains our decision today.” Republicans pushed back on the obstruction accusation. House Judiciary Committee ranking member Rep. Doug Collins, R-Ga., asked Mueller if his probe was “curtailed or stopped or hindered” at any point. Mueller replied, “no.” |
18. Author: ZRX1200 | Date: Wed, 7/24/2019, 9:48AM EST | |
Mueller is playing the part of the old unsure guy to run out the clock.
Dems are running a script and ignoring that there was no crime for the basis of this schit show.
Repubs are hit and miss on focus, PAC one did straight legal theory (Colorado rep)
*quick overview out* |
19. Author: dstieger | Date: Wed, 7/24/2019, 10:02AM EST | |
Only listened to opening statements (Mueller, and each leader) and first 2-3 questions, but I agree that Mueller was sounding old, unsure and a bit shaky. Don't know a whole a lot about the guy, but after the presser a couple months ago, I expected self-assured, if not defiant and sticking to the report/script. |
20. Author: ZRX1200 | Date: Wed, 7/24/2019, 10:08AM EST | |
^ I think he’s doing this on purpose due to time constraints. |
21. Author: Buckwheat | Date: Wed, 7/24/2019, 10:11AM EST | |
Here are the bits from his opening statement that I feel tell most of the story that we are going to hear today. " First, our investigation found that the Russian government interfered in our election in sweeping and systematic fashion. Second, the investigation did not establish that members of the Trump campaign conspired with the Russian government in its election interference activities. We did not address "collusion," which is not a legal term. Rather, we focused on whether the evidence was sufficient to charge any member of the campaign with taking part in a criminal conspiracy. It was not. Third, our investigation of efforts to obstruct the investigation and lie to investigators was of critical importance. Obstruction of justice strikes at the core of the government's effort to find the truth and to hold wrongdoers accountable." I'm not able to watch the whole thing because I'm working today and unable to stream it. I find it telling that Mitch doesn't see the need to protect our electoral process from outside interference. |
22. Author: rfenst | Date: Wed, 7/24/2019, 10:14AM EST | |
DrafterX wrote:On the issue of whether Trump attempted to obstruct his investigation, Mueller said, “Based on Justice Department policy and principles of fairness, we decided we would not make a determination as to whether the president committed a crime. That was our decision then and it remains our decision today.” Republicans pushed back on the obstruction accusation. House Judiciary Committee ranking member Rep. Doug Collins, R-Ga., asked Mueller if his probe was “curtailed or stopped or hindered” at any point. Mueller replied, “no.” Attempting to commit a crime and failing is as bad of an act under the law than actually actually committing said crime. |
23. Author: dstieger | Date: Wed, 7/24/2019, 10:16AM EST | |
Mitch, nor anyone else, really.
Agree that it seems to frustrate Mueller greatly that even though he stressed in the report and again this morning that he's most upset about foreign interference and wants attention on it...that NOBODY really GAF...at least not until we get past 'obstruction' noise |
24. Author: rfenst | Date: Wed, 7/24/2019, 10:30AM EST | |
ZRX1200 wrote:^ I think he’s doing this on purpose due to time constraints. I think he is being lawyer-like in answering the questions. |
25. Author: ZRX1200 | Date: Wed, 7/24/2019, 10:35AM EST | |
Julian the issue I have with your third point is there were lies initiating the investigation that didn’t merit charges. IMO it’s prosecutorial abuse. |
26. Author: Buckwheat | Date: Wed, 7/24/2019, 10:36AM EST | |
tamapatom wrote:I think we fare better when Congress does nothing. Send them on vacation for the rest of their term. ZRX1200 wrote:Julian the issue I have with your third point is there were lies initiating the investigation that didn’t merit charges. IMO it’s prosecutorial abuse. Not my point; Mueller's third point in his opening statement. I'm not as versed in the law as you are to make a judgement call on Prosecutorial misconduct/abuse. I've only stayed in Holiday Inn Express a few times. |
27. Author: dstieger | Date: Wed, 7/24/2019, 10:38AM EST | |
rfenst wrote:I think he is being lawyer-like in answering the questions. Does that help explain why everyone on both sides doesn't like him anymore? Sorry, Robert....couldn't help myself |
28. Author: dstieger | Date: Wed, 7/24/2019, 10:40AM EST | |
ZRX1200 wrote:Julian the issue I have with your third point is there were lies initiating the investigation that didn’t merit charges. IMO it’s prosecutorial abuse. Even if it were clearly prosecutorial abuse....that wouldn't preclude obstruction....or even attempted obstruction crimes |
29. Author: Krazeehorse | Date: Wed, 7/24/2019, 10:58AM EST | |
Could you repeat the question? |
30. Author: tailgater | Date: Wed, 7/24/2019, 11:51AM EST | |
rfenst wrote:Attempting to commit a crime and failing is as bad of an act under the law than actually actually committing said crime. Is "attempted murder" equal to "murder" under the law? What if I attempted to speed? Can I be given a ticket? |
31. Author: tailgater | Date: Wed, 7/24/2019, 11:59AM EST | |
".... I am unable to address questions about the opening of the FBI’s Russia investigation, which occurred months before my appointment, or matters related to the so-called “Steele Dossier.” These matters are the subject of ongoing review by the Department. Any questions on these topics should therefore be directed to the FBI or the Justice Department."
This stood out when I listened to the opening statement.
The FBI's interest in a (then) private citizen based on flimsy hearsay is a dangerous precedent. This should be the real investigation and not left for the FBI's internal housekeeping or even the DOJ.
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32. Author: DrafterX | Date: Wed, 7/24/2019, 12:00PM EST | |
They're still blaming the Russians for Hillary losing.... Trump shoulda stopped them.. but wasn't Obama in charge at the time..?? |
33. Author: rfenst | Date: Wed, 7/24/2019, 12:11PM EST | |
tailgater wrote:Is "attempted murder" equal to "murder" under the law?
What if I attempted to speed? Can I be given a ticket?
Yes, as to attempted murder and murder. As to the speeding law, either you are speeding or you aren't won't. We don't punish "thoughts" or "intention" until they rise to include bad acts. |
34. Author: rfenst | Date: Wed, 7/24/2019, 12:20PM EST | |
tailgater wrote:The FBI's interest in a (then) private citizen based on flimsy hearsay is a dangerous precedent. This should be the real investigation and not left for the FBI's internal housekeeping or even the DOJ. Who does "private citizen" refer to, Trump? |
35. Author: Buckwheat | Date: Wed, 7/24/2019, 12:21PM EST | |
tailgater wrote:".... I am unable to address questions about the opening of the FBI’s Russia investigation, which occurred months before my appointment, or matters related to the so-called “Steele Dossier.” These matters are the subject of ongoing review by the Department. Any questions on these topics should therefore be directed to the FBI or the Justice Department."
This stood out when I listened to the opening statement.
The FBI's interest in a (then) private citizen based on flimsy hearsay is a dangerous precedent. This should be the real investigation and not left for the FBI's internal housekeeping or even the DOJ.
Keep beating that drum from Trump's playbook. You're an obedient Trumper. |
36. Author: rfenst | Date: Wed, 7/24/2019, 12:25PM EST | |
Adam Schiff is so much easier to look at and listen to than Jerry Nadler. |
37. Author: dstieger | Date: Wed, 7/24/2019, 12:27PM EST | |
Did I read that there were over 30 on the committee he faced this morning? No wonder he sounded confused |
38. Author: rfenst | Date: Wed, 7/24/2019, 12:53PM EST | |
dstieger wrote:Did I read that there were over 30 on the committee he faced this morning? No wonder he sounded confused 41 committee members by my count (per Wikipedia). |
39. Author: dstieger | Date: Wed, 7/24/2019, 12:58PM EST | |
That's nuts |
40. Author: teedubbya | Date: Wed, 7/24/2019, 12:59PM EST | |
nah... nuts are usually even numbers |
41. Author: dstieger | Date: Wed, 7/24/2019, 1:01PM EST | |
meh....can't say crazy or retarded or insane anymore....that's nucknfuzt? |
42. Author: teedubbya | Date: Wed, 7/24/2019, 1:09PM EST | |
I think we've decided you can say whatever you want.... it doesn't matter what anyone else thinks. |
43. Author: RMAN4443 | Date: Wed, 7/24/2019, 1:18PM EST | |
teedubbya wrote:I think we've decided you can say whatever you want.... it doesn't matter what anyone else thinks. I LIKE PIZZA!!! |
44. Author: dstieger | Date: Wed, 7/24/2019, 1:22PM EST | |
and turtles |
45. Author: teedubbya | Date: Wed, 7/24/2019, 1:38PM EST | |
is this turtly enough for the turtle club? |
46. Author: rfenst | Date: Wed, 7/24/2019, 1:46PM EST | |
dstieger wrote:and turtles Chocolate + caramel + pecan turtles? |
47. Author: dstieger | Date: Wed, 7/24/2019, 1:49PM EST | |
Nah....was never much for those....
these: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMNry4PE93Y |
48. Author: RMAN4443 | Date: Wed, 7/24/2019, 1:57PM EST | |
Turtle Pizza....mmmmmmmmmm |
49. Author: tailgater | Date: Wed, 7/24/2019, 3:31PM EST | |
rfenst wrote:Who does "private citizen" refer to, Trump?
Yes. |
50. Author: teedubbya | Date: Wed, 7/24/2019, 3:32PM EST | |
Didn't get to see but a couple minutes of this. I thought Mueller looked old and frail. Thats about all I got. But I didn't expect anything. the trenches are dug. It's time to move on. |