Damned if they get busted, damned if they don't... good coverage Pacman...

That Bassard..!!

How are the dems "obstructing" ICE deportation? That's simply a false statement MACS.

Trumpenfurher set up an ICE raid... bragged about it... ICE went out ... got a few people. The dems weren't involved in this at all.

Sanctuary cities are the definition of Obstruction...

Show me a Republican led sanctuary city...

Yes... cause nobody cares about Kansas...

Kent County Michigan

Do you want more?
I've got a whole list of sanctuary cities/counties and states....

Hell, I got no idea either. But there are States, Counties and Cities which define themselves as sanctuary. Whether it would stand up in court isn't something I've looked into.

And how are "the dems" doing all that?

Sanctuary cities aren't controlled by congress. They are controlled by non-partisan Mayors.
Jails.... how is that congressionally controlled?
About the only thing "the dems" have done is complain about the crackdowns by ICE which the moron in chief ANNOUNCED.

This ICE is 100% trumpenfurher. He tells whoever is in charge of that department to do things... Congress isn't involved at all.

So, you have to be a congress dude to be called a dem.??

Pretty sure if you aren't running for a specific office under a specific party you're called a "citizen".

More importantly... if a person isn't running for a specific office under a specific party, how are you identifying that they are "the dems" at all?

Are they providing information about marijuana use to the feds when they get it.... particularly since they often would have records....



I think it looks like the same deal.... just one is outrageous the other isn't.... at least to the big government republicans... states rights only applies to slavery and weed I guess

Trump often talks about being a bad arse and doing things then the next moment says he didn't do anything different at all. When you can shoot someone out on 5th avenue it's great to go full Orwell and have your supporters buy in to the contradiction..... by the way I'm both fat and skinny

I'd bet there are evil weed users in the same boat. I'd also bet that rape and murder are both crimes for which if you are caught you go to jail period. IE nothing to do with immigration. Lots of state weed convictions have been thrown out without thinking many of those pot heads could rape or murder someone.

The real issue is you want to dictate what state and municipalities spend their money on. You want them enforcing one federal law but not another.

A locality choosing NOT to do feds' jobs is one thing. Formally legislating that gov't officials will NOT cooperate with fed immigration officials, even so far as to share criminals' data is a whole other thing.

AFAIK, the only court ruling stipulated that locals don't have to hold illegals beyond they're criminal holding dates just because ICE says 'hang on to them because we think they're illegal'.

Communities have gone way beyond that in order to appease their left leaning citizens and so as not to be too scary to illegals

In CA pot has been legalized for recreational use. Didn't stop my department from targeting and eradicating TONS of dope in illegal grows. In fact, they solicited help from all the facilities and some of my troops were out there helping them for 14 hours of OT pay on a few days this month.

Some big raids in Aguanga and Perris.

So you are against all the local weed "legalization" efforts/legislation?

very much so. have been from the start. though I fully acknowledge that the train has left and I'm just an old fart behind the times....I'm convinced that we, as a nation, will come to regret it some day

I work for the county in which I live. State law. CA is controlled by "dems"...

My wife's brother is in the process. Her and her sister have petitioned for him to come over. If he gets accepted he will stay with us for awhile.

I think the process we have is fair. If our country is so "racist" why does everyone and their brother (pun intended) want to come here?

And this is why I feel we need to lock down the southern border. 11 million and counting... completely unvetted and many in our jails/prisons on the taxpayer dime. I mean Lock it the f*** down. I don't want a lizard to cross it without us knowing about it.

+1

Some people assume that because I'm liberal on some issues, that I'm liberal on all issues. Not so. I'm a firm believer of the 2nd Amendment, for example. Enjoy time at the range, being able to protect my home and its inhabitants, and I have had a conceal permit for over 30 years. Have carried in the past, when I lived in a bad neighborhood. Not all that necessary where I live now, as the deer are the biggest threats. Well, and idiot drivers, but I generally don't recommend addressing that second thing with weapons. It seldom ends well.

I don't believe that because you were able to sneak into the country that doing so gives you any more rights than a burglar has a right to live in my attic just because he found his way in on the rare instance I'm not home. If you had kids while in that attic, I have sympathy for them, but that doesn't give you any more right to stay in my attic. If you have to choose between taking your citizen kids (the 14th Amendment could use a bit of a re-write) home with you or splitting up your family, that is your failure to plan. Your failure to plan does not make an emergency on my part.

That having been said, I think that we still need to adhere to generally accepted rules of asylum that are followed by most of the civilized world. I think that those we detain are entitled to at least basic, decent care. However, I'm sorry your home country sucks. That still doesn't give you a right to live here. Lots of people could have it better. I was raised by an abusive parent in a household that seldom had enough money to pay the monthly bills, and I dealt with PTSD over it years later. It held me back emotionally and career-wise for a few years, even though I managed to graduate law school at 24 (heavily in debt, despite working multiple jobs during school). Does that mean I get to move into a richer person's home? Of course not.

So before people start drilling their pigeon holes, you might want to have your facts straight, and I don't blame people for not understanding things I didn't lay out in clear fashion; that's on me. When you leave people to fill in their own answers and haven't provided your own, that's human nature. But don't mistake my criticism of the President's grandstanding over a tiny little bite of the corner of a much larger pie for a belief that we should just let everyone in. Despite GOP and Trump claims, I don't know of a single Dem or liberal who has come out in favor of "open borders". It'd be anarchy.

What we are seeing now is the predictable result of massive overpopulation of the planet and the disparity of wealth. I looked...the world population took roughly 200,000 years in general, and 4000 of civilization to reach 2.5 billion people in 1950. I figure that by 2020, the world will be at a popula6tion of about 7.5 billion people. That's a 300% increase in 70 years. Until we start doing something about that, immigration issues will only become more dire. However, a wall will not stop the problem. It won't stop drugs coming in through dozens of ports, and it won't stop people from overstaying their visas. Arresting 35 people after making a Really Big Damned Deal is a publicity stunt that is really red meat for the slobbering masses. We need intelligent, coordinated immigration policies and practices, with humane and reasonable treatment in order to maintain any moral authority in the world while accomplishing it.

We need real solutions, not stunts. I personally hold BOTH parties responsible. I doubt the various institutions could even decide on how to stage a group lunch these days. Despite their shortcomings, a parliamentary system might be the only way to break the stranglehold the two parties have on our political system. Until we find a way to break the stalemate the two have spun into, it's like watching a game of chess where both sides have a single pawn and their king left, and neither side is willing to concede and start over.

So now that you have your facts, spare me the anti-liberal diatribes. I can believe that people have a right to health care, a right to vote unless unqualified as a matter of law (say, not a citizen or after a felony conviction), a right to a decent education, etc., while still maintaining a belief in certain values identified as more typically conservative values. Most of all, however, we need a president who can bring the sides together, push for bipartisanship leadership and legislation, do so without being corrupt and delusional, and treat our allies with respect while refraining from worshipping the worst autocrats and dictators the world has to offer. If that upsets you, you are welcome to share your opinions with whomever might care.

IDK....the dem debate sure made them sound like they favor open borders. IIRC, all said they'd decriminalize illegal alienism -- and I think all (most?) said they do not favor deporting someone if they haven't committed another crime....not quite tearing down existing walls, but pretty dang open

Was a time not so long ago when the dems wanted to offer border enforcement for some amnesty - I think those days are past. I hope its just election rhetoric, but I don't see how dems get back to something that most of us would consider reasonable...some border enforcement and support for deporting anyone

Castro used it to jump all over Beto. He wants to make non-legal crossings a civil penalty, vice criminal. He really got up Beto's azz about it. Others climbed aboard. Castro was citing specific law numbers and using that knowledge to prove how superior his knowledge (and position) was

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