Clive bids all the time - BUT he has a bid limit that he adheres to. if it goes past that he usually stops bidding and waits till whatever it is comes around again. going over retail price is a persons right - if it isn't for you than don't do it. if you want a particular cigar and you are jonesing for is that bad - just pay retail for it, I don't see the big deal unless of course it is up there in price. Like I said just wait for it to come around again, see if anyone on the boards have any they would like to part with until you can get a box or whatever. the BOTL's are godsends when you are in need of something. they are more than happy to give up a few to help out a fellow BOTL or SOTL 🙂 Patience is also a virtue! LOL