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Monday, April 20, 2009 2:02:00 PM
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1892708,00.html 

How Waterboarding Got Out of Control

For years, the Bush Administration defended its harsh interrogation methods against accusations of torture by portraying them as a measured intelligence gathering tool that wouldn't be allowed to get out of hand. But with the release of the Justice Department interrogation memos ordered by President Obama last week, it has become clear that the use of waterboarding seemed to occasionally get out of control.

In sometimes graphic detail, the memos issued by the department's Office of Legal Counsel (OLC) reveal how the key conditions laid-down by the Administration were not always adhered to. Those guidelines were that the techniques were supposed to mimic the mock-torture of service personnel in an U.S. Army training program, they were to be used as a "controlled acute episode," and they were not to be used "with substantial repetition." (See pictures from inside Guantanamo Bay's detention facilities.)

One of the OLC memos, dated May 30, 2005, quotes an internal investigation by the CIA inspector general (IG), revealing that two detainees were waterboarded on scores of occasions in the space of a single month. In August 2002, Abu Zubaydah, the first prisoner put through the CIA's overseas detention program, was waterboarded at least 83 times; and in March 2003, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the confessed mastermind of the 9/11 attacks, was waterboarded 183 times. (These numbers were redacted in one version of the released memos, but were noticed in a separate version by Marcy Wheeler of the blog emptywheel.)

Those numbers certainly appear to go against the tenor of what the agency had told the OLC when it sought a legal opinion on the use of waterboarding. An Aug 1, 2002, memo by Assistant Attorney General Jay Bybee says the CIA had "indicated that these acts will not be used with substantial repetition, so that there is no possibility that severe physical pain could arise from such repetition. Accordingly, we conclude that these acts neither separately nor as part of a course of conduct would inflict severe physical pain or suffering with the meaning of the statute." (Read "Bush Torture Memo Approved Use of Insects in Interrogations.")

By 2005 — long after Abu Zubaydah and Mohammed had been subjected to the method that the Obama Administration regards as a form of turture — the Agency was giving the OLC a clearer picture. According to two OLC memos in May of that year by Principal Deputy Assistant Attorney General Steven Bradbury, the Agency had informed the lawyers the waterboarding technique was being used on a detainee on a maximum of five days during a single 30-day period. On each day, there could only be two "sessions," in which the detainee was strapped to an inclined bench, a cloth placed over his nose and mouth, and water poured over the cloth — to induce a sense of drowning. In each "session," there could be no more than six applications of water to the cloth lasting 10 seconds or longer. No session was to exceed 40 seconds. (See pictures of the aftermath of Abu Ghraib revelations.)

jpotts
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Monday, April 20, 2009 2:04:00 PM
Given that both men are responsible for the deaths of Americans, I'd say that the CIA people were at one point doing it just for kicks.

I know I would.

I'd like to know at what point were can put a bullet in the head of Abu Zubaydah and Khalid Sheikh Mohammed?

FuzzNJ
Monday, April 20, 2009 2:07:00 PM
You would torture someone for 'kicks'?

You are a sicker person than I originally thought.

haon123
Monday, April 20, 2009 2:07:00 PM
^ I call BS.
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Monday, April 20, 2009 2:15:00 PM
3. Author: FuzzNJ Date: 04/20/2009 06:07 PM Reply

You would torture someone for ’kicks’?

You are a sicker person than I originally thought.

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Someone?

It's an animal, and a meat puppet.

pacman357
Monday, April 20, 2009 2:37:00 PM
I expect no disagreement whatsoever on this subject from the usual level-headed crowd on the CBBB.
FuzzNJ
Monday, April 20, 2009 2:54:00 PM
So you would torture animals too?
pacman357
Monday, April 20, 2009 3:06:00 PM
#7 Me? Well, not the cute ones.
andytv
Monday, April 20, 2009 3:07:00 PM
I am against animal torture.
FuzzNJ
Monday, April 20, 2009 3:12:00 PM
8: Heh, no that was for Potts' #5
pacman357
Monday, April 20, 2009 3:31:00 PM
#9 And yet you'll fart in a room without even leading the dog outside first. Hypocrite.
Gene363
Monday, April 20, 2009 3:46:00 PM
If OBL was locked up in a cage and no one was looking, would you jab at him with a stick?

Don't answer, just ponder it.

wtjvj
Monday, April 20, 2009 5:00:00 PM
Would that stick resemble a cattle prod?
JECANFIELD1
Monday, April 20, 2009 5:27:00 PM
HHHmmmmm....just how far do you think those two terrorists would have gone to extract information from someone that they considered a "fellow country man" much less an enemy? Water boarding is a walk in the park compared to what the 9/11 victims experienced. Time to grow some Ba*** America and do what is right and best for our country! Don't even get me started on the Pirates in Somalia...Justice is just a .50 bullet away!

Walk softly and carry a BIG STICK was sage advice. Time that terrorists, drug lords, kidnappers and the like learn not to mess with the US!

Gene363
Monday, April 20, 2009 5:56:00 PM
re 13

Some cattle prods are really pointy too.

I'm just saying...

DawgFan38
Monday, April 20, 2009 6:20:00 PM
Anybody watch Always Sunny in Philadelphia? One episode Danny DeVito uses the urinal on people to find out who is stealing from the bar... classic. According to the episode it works for getting info from people...
DawgFan38
Monday, April 20, 2009 6:21:00 PM
^ uses the urinal to waterboard that is
tailgater
Monday, April 20, 2009 7:45:00 PM
I still want to know which of three terrorists that were waterboarded didn't deserve it.