of course it's a political thing. The military is placed under civilian control as a safeguard. Imagine how easily we could become a military dictatorship if the generals weren't controlled by elected officials.

Actually I was talking about mhpd and his opinions against our murderous ("Our soldiers have killed civilians by the thousands in Afganistan and Iraq, no investigation") military.

I thought I could smell some politics in this thread.

So by his comments if it's a war HE supports the troops are ok. If HE doesn't like the reasons for the war, well....

Anyone remember a place called Waco, TX? Law enforcement was responsible for the deaths of numerous men, women and children. Did any of them go to jail?

How about Ruby Ridge?

Law enforcement has its share of civilian caualties.

"Charlie, I be real, brother."

yep......real stupid!

You are right. No, Tillman's life wasn't worth more than all the others; however, he does stand as a great example of shunning the almighty greenback for pride and love of country. Your post reeks of bitterness and self-esteem isuues.

Can you see this?

That was me giving you the old number 1!

mhpd,

Like I said before, I respect your opinion and it gives me insight to your beliefs. I am not lombasting you, just trying to give you insight to my beliefs.

Highjacking aircraft is illegal. Murdering thousands of noncombatants in the World Trade Center is illegal. Not to mention outright cowardice acts. The terrorists that hit us were more than willing to die for their objectives. Our police and firemen performed some of the bravest acts of mankind that day and in the days that followed. BUT, they could not prevent it from happening.

Our brave warriors are there to make sure this doesn't happen again. They are fighting a war on terrorism. They neutralized the Taliban. They're taking down Al-Qaeda. They are doing the things that law enforcement can't do domestically. The military can't be a police force domstically either. I'm sure you're aware of the Posse Commitatus laws.

Our Warriors are dying. That tears my heart apart. They are our parents, siblings and children. They died doing a job that many won't. They aren't fond of killing. They don't want to kill "everything they see". You as a police officer felt the need to serve your community. They as Warriors felt the need to serve our nation. There is your common thread.

You serve in hostile environment, but you are not subject to ambush by trained platoons of soldiers armed with automatic weapons, RPGs and IEDs with a populace that supports them. Yes, you are exposed to the potential. They are exposed to the inevitability. Again, I hope you never have to find out.

R/S

E4A

E4A Bravo Bravo Bravo

Echo, I'll respond to you since the rest are just personal attacks. I appreciate your serious response.

Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11, or with Al-Q. That's a fact. Afgan citizens had nothing to do with it adn there the ones paying the cost of this war. That's true, I think.

I don't disrespect the soldiers in this war. They follow orders. I consider there deaths as victims of a unjust policy, not heroism. THat's my opinion and I know many disagree, but the majority of americans are seeing that Iraq was the wrong war to fight.

Let's put this thread to rest, folks!

mhpd? you pu$$y where did I personally attack you? (before now pu$$y) You ignored my post completely, but I think I figured out your problem. You problem is that you're a "hyphenated" American and have issues with most people...

mhpd if you had just posted that you are opposed to the US led wars in Iraq and Afghanistan I would have accepted your position and moved on. But you didn't you opened up this can of worms now choke it down.

What Buckwheat said. Your original comment had nothing to do with your feeling the pain of the plight of the Afghan people, nor was it intended to show any concern over your fears of our soliders fighting an unjust war. It was a mean-spirited sucker punch, pure and simple. Don't ram a stick in the wasp nest if you can't handle the stings.

You make your bed, you gotta sleep in it, hoss.

True colors...

In addition to his life, Pat Tillman didn't simply give up millions of dollars. He quit the one thing he strove for his entire life: NFL Football.

mhpd, I assume you didn't just wake up one day and were given a badge. No, you earned it. Through hard work that shows in your pride of the force.

Every ounce of pride you feel towards your force and your job, and the job of your "brothers", likely pales in comparison to the grit and determination required to make it to the NFL field.

Don't get me wrong: Cops should be paid a thousand times what football players do.

But in all the country, there are only 32 NFL teams, with only 53 guys playing for each team on any given Sunday.

How many cops are out there from the same pool of eligible people?

So Pat Tillman became one of the few chosen to make his career on the gridiron.

And when he finally reaches the apex of his career, with a new contract and wealth beyond belief, he gives it up.

And he did so with only a glimpse of fanfare, none of which was self-initiated.

And he traded the safety of shoulder pads for the necessity of a rifle.

And he did so, willingly, because he felt he HAD to do something FOR his country.

Yes, Pat Tillman was a HERO in EVERY sense of the word.

Nobody is asking you, mhpd, to give up your day job.

But to belittle Pat Tillmans life because you're "sick" of the media diefying him, well I guess Robby is right.

Your true colors are worn for all to see.

And they don't at all resemble the BLUE that your uniform should display proudly.

And that's a damn shame.

HERO is defined as: "A person noted for feats of courage or nobility of purpose, especially one who has risked or sacrificed his or her life"

This is not the first offensive post from mhpd, it's just the MOST OFFENSIVE

mhpd's denegration of Pat Tillman is the denegration of other members of our military ... men far better than mhpd, whose sacrifices have enabled the very freedom he so gratuitously abuses ...

mhpd ... you sir, nauseate me to the core of my being ... I find it incredulous to think that you could be a law enforcement officer ... I have a son in law enforcement, but am proud to say, his character is far more like Pat Tillmans than it is like yours ...

you, IMO, are completely and utterly undeserving of the freedoms you have, freedoms that have been won by the efforts of far better men than yourself ...

I guess it is my turn to hammer on Mhpd or whatever he is! This guy is the sickest of posters on this forum and continues to belittle the accomplishments of decent Americans who choose to serve in the military! He should crawl back into the hole from which he emerges to post his vile viewpoints! Sorry to the others on the board for my blast and I tried to keep it clean.

Charlie