GreenWolf70
Monday, August 24, 2009 6:39:00 PM
Found this at a site called AK47 World. I don't know anything about this site but the information does sound correct. Well here it is:

Until we complete this Rifles page with pictures of the various AK-47 variants - Here is some information you might find helpful.

VIEWS of the Vermont 'creation' of Century Arms - the WASR-10 - can be found on discussion threads via Google or Bing searches or on videos on YouTube!

Otherwise - STAY TUNED as our reviews of GOOD AK-47 variants to BUY is expanded on www.ak47world.com

In the meantime www.ak47world.com advises what AK-47's to buy & which ones ARE NOT RECOMMENDED!

Guns like the Romanian WASR-10 are modified IN VERMONT to meet current U.S. import restrictions - as SOME have problems accepting military-issue drums & magazines (clips) due to poor workmanship by Century's workers & are BAD DEALS compared to better foreign-built AK-47 variants - LIKE the 'REAL' Bulgarian SA-93, SLR-95, SLR-96, Chinese MAK-90, NHM-90, NHM-91 & Hungarian (F.E.G.) SA-85M!

Foreign-built AK-47 variants with thumbhole stocks - are MUCH EASIER to change the stocks on - than to deal with a poorly-built AK-47's - like WASR-10;s GP-75's, AMD-65's & parts kit Polish AK's out there - as they lack the quality of AK-47's built in foreign arsenals where real military AK-47's are made to military specifications!

The best thumbhole DEALS are AK-47's like the Bulgarian SA-93, SLR-95 or SLR-96 models, or Chinese-built Norinco MAK-90, NHM-90, NHM-91 and MAK-91 AK-47 variants, and Hungarian SA-85M models - that are no longer imported.

Also, these 100% foreign military arsenal-built 'Quality' AK's CANNOT be ordered anymore by dealers from their DISTRIBUTORS - because Bill Clinton's November 1997 Executive Order ('XO') forbid the import of these better foreign-built AK's that accept standard HIGH-CAPACITY AK-47 magazines!

While you can still put folding stocks on thumbhole AK's mentioned above - if you must replace the thumbhole stock - you must then add 5 U.S. made 922(r) compliant parts - like a Tapco mag & U.S. grip & forearms.

The important thing here - is that the build-quality of foreign-built AK's usually far surpasses any AK's put together today in the U.S. - unless you spend a $1,000 for a Kreb's Custom Russian-style AK-47 or spend $900 or more for a Bulgarian SLR-107FR or Legion SGL-20 from the custom shop of Izhmash of Russia!

So, if you'd rather just get a GOOD $500 to $600 ak-47 - you'll have to look around for GOOD VALUE AK-47 variants - as there's a lot of dealers looking out for their PROFITS - but at your expense - as they sell tons of low-quality Romanian WASR-10 or GP-75 AK's - while companies like Lancaster Consulting or Red Jacket Arms will want BIG BUCKS for their better-built AK's - that the OLDER - 'No Longer-Imported' Chinese MAK-90's & Bulgarian SLR-95's will usually surpass - but without the 'Drugstore Commando; BAYONET LUGS - that most people WILL NEVER USE!

But if no good AK's for $500 to $600 AK's can be found, the best AK-47s that www.AK47world.com recommends - are these models which used to sell for $500 or so:

1. Bulgarian SLR-95; SLR-96 & SA-93 (all milled-receivers - EXCELLENT GUNS!)

2. Chinese MAK-90 rifles - both stamped and milled receiver models (if you look hard enough) can be found as well as the stamped military-style NHM-90 rifles.

3. Chinese RPK Sporters NMH-91 (stamped) & milled MAK-91

4. Hungarian SA-85M by F.E.G.

5. Maadi ARM, RPM & RML models from Egypt, but stay away from Maadi MISR-90 & MISR-10 models...)

6. Romanian Intrac MK-1, Romak-1 or "WUM-1" models (only imported in 1997) NOT Romanian WASR-10 and some SAR-1 models - which are at their best - MARGINALLY OK' as quality varies alot with Romanian rifles!

All of the above AK-47's USED to RUN anywhere from $450 to around $650, but now you're dealing with those hoping to score on the 'FEAR of Obama'!

Thanks from www.ak47world.com

Phone #'s (720) 940-1458 or (786) 261-9273

FIRST OFF, many distributors STILL continue to FALSELY CLAIM that Romanian FPK/PSL (Romak-3) rifles - which at usually under $800 & REPRESENT A GOOD BUY for a 1000 yd. affordable DMR (Designated Marksman Rifle) that's MUCH CHEAPER to SHOOT than any M-14 or AR-10, etc. - as .308 AMMO is like .75 cents a round - compared to .25 cents or lower for the LARGER Soviet 7.62 x 54R round used by PSL's & SVD (real Dragunov)!

The problem in magazine selection - is that many call a Romanian PSL RIFLE as supposedly a Russian SVD Dragunov, to FALSELY DESCRIBE a stamped Romanian PSL (Puska Semi-Automata Luneta, or Scoped Semi-Automatic Rifle), that's basically a stretched RPK (Ruchnoi Pulyemet Kalashnikova = Handheld 'Bullet-Thrower' Kalashnikov) that the Russians call an FPK, or Feyderov Pulyemet Kalashnikova, or Kalashnikov 'Bullet-Thrower' that fires Feyderov cartidges (7.62 x 54R ammo), and which has an AKM style receiver, action & trigger group!

In addition, Steven (S.P.) Fjestad (of the Blue Book of Gun Values) also mistates this FAKE DRAGUNOV FALLACY, as he calls the Romanian FPK "a Dragunov with a new CNC milled Receiver...", where Fjestad also suggests that he doesn't seem to know stamped receivers from milled receivers, in the Century Arms section of his 'Blue Book of Gun Values.

Fjestad's Blue Book of Gun Values, also states that a Norinco Type 86 Bullpup AK-47 somehow has a 'folding stock'???

And, there's yet another AK-47 website with pretty pictures, but some 'questionable', uneducated opinions about AK-47 variants, by a guy appropriately named 'Bubba', who claims that he has the 'The Best AK-47 website' ( OH REALLY Bubba...)!!!

But 'Bubba' GOT CAUGHT 'RED-HANDED' COPYING 'WORD-FOR-WORD' what www.ak47world.com already had posted on our rifles page about MAK-90 rifles!

Also, until the ATF stops trying to keep this information 'TOP SECRET' as selective enforcement - an ATF trademark & posts this information on its website...

We issue THIS WARNING: WHILE MAK-90 RILFES ARE USUALLY THE RIFLE WE RECOMMEND as "The Best ENTRY-LEVEL/low-priced AK-47 variant" for sale in America today...

STAY AWAY from MAK-90 rifles imported by the importer "Le Banu" of upstate New York, (but NOT ALL MAK-90 Rifles, as some will incorrectly infer), that are marked with 3 position fire-control selector markings (sometimes in Chinese characters, other times with the letters L, D, S for the 3 positions on the right side of the receiver), as the ATF classifies these as "ILLEGAL MACHINE GUN RECEIVERS" with, or without the receiver being drilled for a 3rd axis pin!

Also, there are some Maadi ARM rifles out there with what the ATF terms as an 'Illegal Machinegun Receiver", as well as some of the early CLAYCO AK-47 imports, that will be marked with the words, "Modifications to this Rifle are Unsafe & Illegal", again whether or not the 3rd axis pin hole is drilled in the receiver.

Remember, the ATF fully realizes that if they take your rifle, your attorney fees will easily outweigh the cost of the rifle, so BE CAREFUL when buying some of these imports, or send pictures of the rifle to [email protected] until we post some pictures of these rifles!

While the market is currently flooded with low-price so-called Romanian AK-47's, like the WASR-10 & SAR-1 AKM variants, a SMART AK-47 buyer would be wiser to buy an AK-47 variant made in a foreign arsenal, unless that buyer is prepared to spend more money for one of the better-made U.S. assembled AK-47 variants from Arsenal USA, or Krebs Kustoms, Legion SGL-20 Rifles or Bulgarian variants from either Arsenal of Bulgaria or the U.S. Arsenal Inc. & maybe a Tennessee Guns AK-47 variant!

Note: not all SAR-1 variants are bad, but far too many have problems than we've seen with Norinco type 56 stamped AK-47 variants, like the MAK-90, NHM-90, and Chinese RPK Sporter known as the NHM-91, and why U.S.N. SEAL TEAMS & the Finnish Defence Force (FDF) of FINLAND, as well as Hamas, Al Qaeda, Hezbollah, the Northern Alliance, & Bill Clinton's drug-smuggling 'friends' at the Kosovo Liberation Front' also CHOSE NORINCO stamped type 56 AKM rifles!

Through the years of handling & firing AK-47 variants, we've found out quickly what AK's have problems, and what AK's do not. (like the good Maadi ARM & RPM rifles, as compared to the bad Maadi rifles, like the MISR-90 and certain batches of Romanian/U.S. modified S.A.R./WASR-10 series rifles)

The Navy Seals and the Military Defense Council of Finland, both selected Norinco of China to supply Chinese type 56 AK-47 rifles, which are virtually identical (except for select-fire components) to the Norinco MAK-90, & without the MAK-90's thumbhole stock).

THAT SHOULD TELL YOU SOMETHING, as the GALIL AK's, F.E.G.'s from Hungary, Arsenal of Bulgaria, and Russian AK's were all tested against the Chinese Norinco, and the Norinco came out on top as the most rugged, and best value DUE TO THE USE OF THICKER 1.5MM STAMPED CHINESE RECEIVERS, DOUBLE-HOOK TRIGGERS FOR SMOOTHER TRIGGER-PULL, and thicker Chinese barrels, despite the fact that it would have been easier for Finland and the U. S. Navy Seals to buy AK-47 variants from other Eastern European, or Russian sources.

Finally, Norinco of China, Zastava of Yugoslavia, and Valmet/Sako of Finland all use at least 1.5mm steel for their stamped receivers on their AK variants, thus eliminating the need for "mickey-mouse" anti-trip devices (band-aid that does not solve the problem of too thin receivers) found in the trigger groups of thinner 1mm steel receivers of Warsaw-Pact AKM's.

AKM is the Russian term of: Avtomat Kalashnikova Modernizya , which means modernized AK-47, referring to the stamped AKM versus the milled AK-47 of 1947.

Warsaw-Pact AKM's include: Soviet/Russian mfg.,F.E.G. of Hungary (SA-85's, etc.), and Romanian W.U.M.-1's, W.U.M.-2's, S.A.R.1, S.A.R.2, S.A.R. 3's, as well as Maadi AKM's, RML, RPM, and the MISR-90.

What does receiver thickness and the lack of "mickey-mouse" anti-trip device that only complicates your trigger group, mean to AKM performance???

Simple, if you only fire your thinner receiver AKM variants lightly, you usually won't have any problems.

But if you need more out of your AK, like sustained fire/rapid fire, like with 75, or 100 round drums, or with other "extreme situations", the thicker 1.5mm stamped receivers found in Norinco, Valmet/Sako, and Zastava/Serbian rifles are more durable.

This means the thicker 1.5mm receiver AK's are a lot less likely to experience malfunctions like the thinner 1mm receiver AK's do, when the thicker receiver Chinese, Yugoslavian, or Valmet's get hot under rapid fire, sustained-fire situations, because there's less "fatigue", thus "flex" & jams, in the thicker 1.5mm steel receivers, than in the thinner-walled receivers of the Warsaw-Pact AKM-type rifles.

For more info, you can call us at either phone # (786) 261-9273 or (720) 940-1458 and STAY TUNED for more info on this page to come soon!

andytv
Monday, August 24, 2009 7:30:00 PM
I know you are keen on the AKs, but you might want to consider an SKS (cheaper and possibly more accurate).

I have an SKS-M w/ a thumb hole stock..........tons of fun.

Here are some pics....

http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=sks+sporter&um=1&ie=UTF-8&ei=a1qTSq7OBJW_lAfaj8CtDA&sa=X&oi=image_result_group&ct=title&resnum=4 

PtRD
Monday, August 24, 2009 8:25:00 PM
The Romanian AK variants have gotten a lot of critism, but I would look at AK forums to see what owners say. I don't spend much time in those forums but I have yet to see anyone confirm any of those quality issues. Every one that I have seen, people are generally happy w/ their rifles.

I would say to be careful about what you are getting though. Perhaps there are problems with ones that are built from kits, but I haven't seen serious complaints of any sort.

Minor problems to expect:

Magazine "wobble". The magazine wells are often modified to be compliant w/ US regulations for "sporter" magazines (not sure what those are but I use 20/30/40 steel and plastic mags in mine). The fix is to fill the gaps with Quick Steel putty. I did that and the wobble went away.

Another minor problem is that the trigger pin comes loose after firing several hundred rounds. The fix is to use locktite to keep the pin in place. I did that and I have not had any problems since.

My rifle shoots great and I use cheap ammo (Wolf). My personal experience is that I'm blasting away while my friend is clearing jams out of his barely used Mini-14. Not to bad-mouth the Ruger, I actually plan to get one. But I have had great luck w/ my WASR.

I say, beware of what you are buying, but if you find one with a good price, you may have to tweak a few minor problems but otherwise it will be a great and reliable gun.

davey
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Tuesday, August 25, 2009 3:27:00 AM
Guys,

Thanks so much. Andy, I am open to others..truly. Truth be told if I could get a mini 30 (or even a 15)for around the same price, I would have gone( or still would) that route.

I gotta digest all this info when not at work 🙂

andytv
Tuesday, August 25, 2009 4:05:00 AM
^Davey..........note that the SKS-M (at least mine( accepts the standard mil issue AK magazines.

Mine seems to be built pretty well and is easy to take apart.

DrafterX
Tuesday, August 25, 2009 4:38:00 AM
Nothing wrong with the SKS.. Mine got ripped off several years and I need to replace it.. my MAK-90 is alot of fun and has never jammed once... never realized it was ugly.. lol..
davey
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Tuesday, August 25, 2009 4:47:00 AM
LOL...not the way I meant it Draft. And for the record I am looking at them now...:)
djk
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Tuesday, August 25, 2009 6:07:00 AM
26. I just like the style of the AK a little better then the mac-90's. I hear the Mac's are great bang for buck.
djk
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Tuesday, August 25, 2009 6:07:00 AM
26. Your sister is ugly too.
DrafterX
Tuesday, August 25, 2009 6:17:00 AM
lol... if I had a sister I'd be offended.. well, unless she was ugly...
djk
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Tuesday, August 25, 2009 6:30:00 AM
LOL. Probably shouldnt insult somebody with a MAC 90.
GreenWolf70
Tuesday, August 25, 2009 6:40:00 AM
You can always replace the furniture on that MAK-90 to make it into a REAL AKM again.

The SKS idea is a fine one. I bought a milled receiver one for $139 about 20 years ago and cut down the stock for my kids to shoot and hunt. Now that they are all grown, I dressed it up with TAPCO furniture and a Red Dot. Currently, there are some nice Yugo SKS on the market with grenade launchers attached. Also with the SKS you don't have to worry about the BATF stuff since it has always been semi-automatic and not full auto.

DrafterX
Tuesday, August 25, 2009 7:00:00 AM
Just looked thru some MAK-90 images.. mine is the typical thumbhole stock version.... have considered dressing it but haven't... I had a bi-pod & scope on my SKS... looked good...
GreenWolf70
Tuesday, August 25, 2009 7:16:00 AM
Look over at Krebs customs and you may change your mind.
teedubbya
Tuesday, August 25, 2009 8:00:00 AM
"I hear the Mac’s are great bang for buck."

he only charged you a buck?

that was a good deal

djk
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Tuesday, August 25, 2009 8:03:00 AM
multiple bangs for multiple bucks.

me love you long time.

teedubbya
Tuesday, August 25, 2009 8:04:00 AM
that macs is an amorous bastid
GreenWolf70
Tuesday, August 25, 2009 10:12:00 AM
Man love, it's a wonderful Navy thing.
GreenWolf70
Friday, August 28, 2009 4:59:00 PM
Just saw this in my email.

http://www.centerfiresystems.com/rifle-vz58hc-fold.aspx?utm_source=streamsend&utm_medium=email&utm_content=5837101&utm_campaign=Special%20Offers%20from%20Centerfire%20Systems 

These were going for $1200 a short while ago. High quality. Look for reviews online, its rated pretty high. Its Czech BTW.