the original nubbing

Never with a ZIPPO!

I disagree. Always with a Zippo. Torch lighters are unreliable, expensive and hard to maintain. Next to a match or cedar sliver, Zippo is the way to go.

its like using lighter fluid with charcoal. no thank you.

^ So, do you just fart on the charcoal to get it going?

please tell me you do not use lighter fluid....

*shaking head*

if you do you are better off using a gas grill.

I have an electric starter but depending on where I am, sometime you HAVE to use lighter fluid.

Thought the fart joke was kinda humorous though...

it was funny

but you never HAVE to use lighter fluid.....

even a paper towel sprayed with PAM is a better option....

never never EVER use fluid

Pam? Has she got a Sistah?

yes but she is gay

I light my charcoal with news paper, and a charcoal chimney

^ that's how I did mine. now I use a chimney and a propane burner.

instead of the paper try it with PAM (or any spray vegie oil) and a paper towel or two. no flying aash and it burns longer/better

I'll try that....I kinda like the paper ashes flying around getting in my drink

JetLine triple torch. $7 - $10 including shipping if you google or go to famous auction site. Lights forever. Huge capacity. No problem ever. I have several other more expensive (not hard to do obviously) lights (as do several friends) and the jetline is the most reliable and durable.