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SmokingGuns
Connoisseur Topic Starter

15 years ago

#41

If you didn't 'know' better, you might begin to suspect that anyone who messes with the FED ends up badly.

Nine American Presidents have been the targets of assassination:- Andrew Jackson in 1835 (opposed a private national bank), Abraham Lincoln in 1865 (opposed a private national bank), James Garfield in 1881 (opposed a private national bank), William McKinley in 1901, Harry S. Truman in 1950, John F. Kennedy in 1963 (opposed a private national bank), Richard Nixon in 1974, Gerald Ford twice in 1975, and Ronald Reagan in 1981 (opposed a private national bank): ALL they have in common is that they opposed the Feds,9 American presidents not one not two,and the list of congressmen, senators and others is far from being short.

gringococolo
Herf-A-Holic

15 years ago

#42

Yo sabia que Smoking Guns era un Cubiche!! No reconoci el photo.

SmokingGuns
Connoisseur Topic Starter

15 years ago

#43

Yo sabia que Smoking Guns era un Cubiche!! No reconoci el photo.

Gigolo i can assure you I'm not Cuban,so relax buddy

gringococolo
Herf-A-Holic

15 years ago

#44

Gigolo i can assure you I'm not Cuban,so relax buddy

SmokingGuns wrote:

I can assure I am a gringo!!! No sweat brother, i was just joking anyway. I did figure you for a spanish speaker (or other language) based on some of your posts, but I could be wrong. Doesn't matter anyway. You are hanging in here just fine. Got to go back to work.😎

SmokingGuns
Connoisseur Topic Starter

15 years ago

#45

I did figure you for a Spanish speaker (or other language) based on some of your posts,

I speak 3 languages gringo.\:d/ but I'm not Spanish. :-"

SmokingGuns
Connoisseur Topic Starter

15 years ago

#46

///////Gray Shadow:
The Federal Reserve Website is disingenuous when explaining its own structure. For instance, Candidates for the Board of Governors are put on a "short list" by the Fed's Board of Directors. 6 out of 9 of these directors are selected by the Fed itself. This list is then given to the Senate and the President, and THEN he chooses members of the board, so in reality, it is the Fed who chooses who is on the Board of Governors. The Board of Governors is almost always made up of Bank CEO's, or Corporate CEO's, which leaves it wide open to corruption, and the Board provides little or no REAL oversite to the Fed, which was obvious in the Fed bailout of Bear-Stearns with public finances.

In Lewis v. United States, the United States Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit stated that "the Reserve Banks are not federal instrumentalities… but are independent, privately owned and locally controlled corporations." I think that this is quite clear that the Fed is PRIVATE.

jpotts
Herf-A-Holic

15 years ago

#47

the question is new wealth for who?? may be for the private banks who are lending the money?🇨🇮

SmokingGuns wrote:

First, since the implementation of the FDIC, there is no such thing as a "private bank" these days. They are pseudo-private.

Second, new wealth for who? If you draw a paycheck, and own stuff, that is considered wealth. All wealth is property.

If you own a home, and have a net worth over $0, you have wealth.

Furthermore, private banks, by and large, do not "lend" money to the US government. The government prints bonds that it "sells" both domestically and internationally. If your own a federal savings bond, you are owed money by the government. And, according to the Founding Fathers, who drew their philosophy from people like John Locke, the individual has a right to their property. Governments must draw from that private wealth for the operation. They do not generate that wealth. This is on stark contrast to other countries, like the Soviet Union, where the state is the single source for all wealth.

So, I hope that clarifies things for you.

Brewha
Herf-A-Holic

15 years ago

#48

Let me ask all of you a simple question: what country in its right mind would create a system that would force it to lend itself money and have to repay the money WITH INTEREST? What country would charge itself interest? What nation would put itself out of business by making it bankrupt because of interest?

SmokingGuns wrote:

This is always the problem: these questions are based on assumptions that are not given facts.
It seem clear that the government proper (we the people voting, etc.) was not really driving the creation of the Federal Reserve. More like it was lobbied, bought off, and pushed through in the quiet of the night. This is how real power and money works. And it works best if they keep the illusion of democracy alive.

The questions are more important than the answers.

How can we make the Federal Reserve a Government institution that serves the people? This would be a better question.

donutboy2000
Herf-A-Holic

15 years ago

#49

#61

The following is a list of people connected with Bill Clinton who have died suddenly or under unusual Circumstances:

Coincidence?

James McDougal - Clinton's convicted Whitewater partner died of an apparent heart attack, while in solitary confinement for refusing to testify as a key witness in Ken Starr's investigation.

Mary Mahoney - A former White House intern was murdered July 1997 at a Starbucks Coffee Shop in Georgetown. The murder happened just after she was to go public with her story of sexual harassment in the White House.

Vince Foster - Former white House counselor, and colleague of Hillary Clinton at Little Rock's Rose law firm. Died of a gunshot wound to the head, ruled a suicide.

Ron Brown - Secretary of Commerce and former DNC Chairman. Reported to have died by impact in a plane crash. A pathologist close to the investigation reported that there was a hole in the top of Brown's skull resembling a gunshot wound. At the time of his death Brown was being investigated, and spoke publicly of his willingness to cut a deal with prosecutors.

C. Victor Raiser II - & - Montgomery Raiser, Major players in the Clinton fund raising organization died in a private plane crash in July 1992.

Paul Tulley - Democratic National Committee Political Director found dead in a hotel room in Little Rock, September 1992. Described by Clinton as a "Dear friend and trusted advisor".

Ed Willey - Clinton fund raiser, found dead November 1993 deep in the woods in Virginia of a gunshot wound to the head. Ruled a suicide. Ed Willey died on the same day his wife Kathleen Willey claimed Bill Clinton groped her in the oval office in the White House. Ed Willey was involved in several Clinton fund raising events.

Jerry Parks - Head of Clinton's gubernatorial security team in Little Rock. Gunned down in his car at a deserted intersection outside Little Rock. Park's son said his father was building a dossier on Clinton. He allegedly threatened to reveal this information. After he died the files were mysteriously removed from his house.

James Bunch - Died from a gunshot suicide. It was reported that he had a "Black Book" of people containing names of influential people who visited prostitutes in Texas and Arkansas.

James Wilson - Was found dead in May 1993 from an apparent hanging suicide. He was reported to have ties to Whitewater. Kathy Ferguson -Ex-wife of Arkansas Trooper Danny Ferguson died in May 1994 was found dead in her living room with a gunshot to her head. It was ruled a suicide even though there were several packed suitcases, as if she was going somewhere.

Danny Ferguson was a co-defendant along with Bill Clinton in the Paula Jones lawsuit. Kathy Ferguson was a possible Corroborating witness for Paula Jones.

Bill Shelton - Arkansas state Trooper and fiancee of Kathy Ferguson. Critical of the suicide ruling of his fiancee, he was found dead in June, 1994 of a gunshot wound also ruled a suicide at the grave site of his fiancee.

Gandy Baugh - Attorney for Clinton friend Dan Lassater died by jumping out a window of a tall building January, 1994. His client was a convicted drug distributor.

Florence Martin - Accountant sub-contractor for the CIA related to the Barry Seal Mena Airport drug smuggling case. Died of three gunshot wounds.

Suzanne Coleman - Reportedly had an affair with Clinton when he was Arkansas Attorney General. Died of a gunshot wound to the back of the head, ruled a suicide. Was pregnant at the time of her death.

Paula Grober - Clinton's speech interpreter for the deaf from 1978 until her death December 9, 1992. She died in a one car accident.

Danny Casolaro - Investigative reporter. Investigating Mena Airport and Arkansas Development Finance Authority. He slit his wrists, apparent suicide in the middle of his investigation.

Paul Wilcher - Attorney investigating corruption at Mena Airport with Casolaro and the 1980 "October Surprise" was found dead on a toilet June 22, 1993 in his Washington DC apartment. Had delivered a report to Janet Reno 3 weeks before his death.

Jon Parnell Walker - Whitewater investigator for Resolution Trust Corp. Jumped to his death from his Arlington, Virginia apartment balcony August 15, 1993 Was investigating Morgan Guarantee scandal.

Barbara Wise - Commerce Department staffer. Worked closely with Ron Brown and John Huang. Cause of death unknown. Died November 29, 1996. Her bruised nude body was found locked in her office at the Department of Commerce.

Charles Meissner - Assistant Secretary of Commerce who gave John Huang special security clearance, died shortly thereafter in a small plane crash.

Dr. Stanley Heard - Chairman of the National Chiropractic Health Care Advisory Committee died with his attorney Steve Dickson in a small plane crash. Dr. Heard, in addition to serving on Clinton's advisory council personally treated Clinton's mother, stepfather and brother.

Barry Seal - Drug running pilot out of Mena Arkansas, Death was no accident.

Johnny Lawhorn Jr. - Mechanic, found a check made out to Clinton in the trunk of a car left in his repair shop. Died when his car hit a utility pole.

Stanley Huggins - Suicide. Investigated Madison Guarantee. His report was never released.

Hershell Friday - Attorney and Clinton fund raiser died March 1, 1994 when his plane exploded.

Kevin Ives & Don Henry - Known as "The boys on the track" case. Reports say the boys may have stumbled upon the Mena Arkansas airport drug operation.

Controversial case here-initial report of death was due to falling asleep on railroad track. Later reports claim the 2 boys had been slain before being placed on the tracks. Many linked to the case died before their testimony could come before a Grand Jury.

THE FOLLOWING PEOPLE HAD INFORMATION ON THE IVES / HENRY CASE:

Keith Coney - Died when his motorcycle slammed into the back of a truck, July, 1988

Keith McMaskle - Died stabbed 113 times, Nov, 1988

Gregory Collins - Died from a gunshot wound January 1989.

Jeff Rhodes - He was shot, mutilated and found burned in a trash dump in April, 1989.

James Milan - Found decapitated. Coroner ruled death due to natural causes.

Jordan Kettleson - Was found shot to death in the front seat of his pickup truck in June 1990.

Richard Winters - Was a suspect in the Ives / Henry deaths. Was killed in a set-up robbery July 1989

THE FOLLOWING CLINTON BODYGUARDS ARE DEAD:

Major William S. Barkley Jr.
Captain Scott J. Reynolds
Sgt. Brian Hanley
Sgt. Tim Sabel
Major General William Robertson
Col. William Densberger
Col. Robert Kelly
Spec. Gary Rhodes
Steve Willis
Robert Williams
Conway LeBleu
Todd McKeehan

Who's Next????

Brewha
Herf-A-Holic

15 years ago

#50

^ And while we go completely off topic, does anyone know what brand of cigars Clinton smoked? [/h]

DrMaddVibe
Herf-A-Holic

15 years ago

#51

^ And while we go completely off topic, does anyone know what brand of cigars Clinton smoked? [/h]

Brewha wrote:

It doesn't matter.

Brewha
Herf-A-Holic

15 years ago

#52

It doesn't matter.

DrMaddVibe wrote:

What about Monaca?

donutboy2000
Herf-A-Holic

15 years ago

#53

What about Monaca?

Brewha wrote:

Monica?

SmokingGuns
Connoisseur Topic Starter

15 years ago

#54

If you own a home, and have a net worth over $0, you have wealth.

My friend no one owns a home in the us, we are renting from the government, if you don't pay your property taxes you can get evicted and your house will be seized,which actually defies the meaning of being an owner.If you must pay someone money on a regular basis to avoid being evicted from your home, are you truly a homeowner? What if that same organization that you pay money to under threat of eviction also controls your use of the property?
What if they forbid you to run a store from your home, or allow a second family to move in, and enforce such with zoning laws? What if they also prevent you from making any significant modifications to the property without their written permission, in the form of PERmit requirements? Is the home really yours?

gringococolo
Herf-A-Holic

15 years ago

#55

SmokingGuns wrote:

Move to Montana. I think Ted Kaczynski had the same ideas.

But seriously. Do you have a fundamental right to electricity? If you don't want to pay for govt services. Potable water etc... Move to the mountains, live off the land, and quit crying about the government and the boogey man.

Brewha
Herf-A-Holic

15 years ago

#56

I submit to the will of Landrew! Lawgivers! Lawgivers!

DrMaddVibe
Herf-A-Holic

15 years ago

#57

Move to Montana.

gringococolo wrote:

Yet another gratuitous Zappa reference...I'm on a roll today!

SmokingGuns
Connoisseur Topic Starter

15 years ago

#58

Ben Bernanke Money Printing Ends Up as Wall Street Bonuses
WSJ is reporting that bonuses on Wall Street this year are expected to be around $144 billion. How big is that relative to the overall economy?

ZeroHedge cranked out the numbers and it is 8% of the total money supply (as measured by M1). Got that? Investment bankers will control 8% of the entire money supply once bonuses are paid.

Now, there is nothing wrong with bankers earning good change as a result of dealmaking, but a good portion of the bonuses are the result of money being shoveled to bankers by Fed Chairman Ben Bernanke. Where's Bernanke getting the money to shovel to Wall Street? Why he is just printing it, that's what he does.

Over the last three months, M1 money supply has increased by 9.1% on an annualized basis. Got that? Investment bankers will get bonuses of 8% of the money supply, Bernanke is increasing the money supply at just over that amount. There is no better evidence that it is the crony part of Wall Street that is benefiting from Federal Reserve activities, and no one else.

Talk about a distorted manipulated economy, it doesn't get much uglier than this.

SmokingGuns
Connoisseur Topic Starter

15 years ago

#59

But seriously. Do you have a fundamental right to electricity? If you don't want to pay for govt services

It is completely different, Do they seize your house kick you out and put it on auction if don't pay your electric bill? you get a service you pay for it very simple.just tell me what is this great service that the government is giving you in your property so that they charge you all that money every year and threaten you with seizure and eviction if you don't pay?

gringococolo
Herf-A-Holic

15 years ago

#60

SmokingGuns wrote:

Oh you mean all those people who are living for free in houses owned by banks. Are thier houses are being seized by the government? No they are being forclosed on and the banks are evicting them. People are being told to walk away because their houses are now worth half of what their mortgage balance is. That was private banks making loans to people that have no business owning houses, and inflating markets. Are you talking about emminent domain?

What exactly in your ramblings about the illuminati, the federal reserve, new world order, etc.., has actually had a negative effect on you personnaly? Has your property been seized? Have you been impoverished? Has the government forced you to take loans at an ureasonable rate? Have you not profited and gained wealth?

If nobody has told you yet, the Divinci Code is fiction. Plus all this stuff is so "early 90's".

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