tweoijfoi
15 years ago

Because politicians prefer to have as many people on the dole and under their thumbs as possible. The last thing they want is for people to begin working and earn their way, because then they may start to develop self respect. Then they will start to question why they are in the position they are in and why things are so bad. Then they will realize it is because of the federal rulers wanting it that way, and they may try to throw off the yoke of oppression.

Just hypothesizing of course.



J

calavera wrote:



Haha.

I don't think our politicians are pure evil. They probably have good things in mind... of course they don't pan out like they hope and the end result is a certain percentage of the population losing their will to work.
angus13
15 years ago
Wrote out a nice long reply too all of this with my perspective on the ongoing situation, this discussion and my ordeals as being in the ranks of those being unemployed... hit the post button, got an error message, and poof, post disappeared into oblivion...🤬, oh well, I thought it was a good read, but it hurts too much to try rewriting it (can only type for so long)... 😣 😣 😣

happy smoking to you all...

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HockeyDad
15 years ago
There are millions of "green" jobs on the way.
Kawak
15 years ago
Whatever it is, it is not enough. There are people out there that can't afford to clean coffee pots or paint houses! Raise our taxes! Raise our taxes!
tweoijfoi
15 years ago

Wrote out a nice long reply too all of this with my perspective on the ongoing situation, this discussion and my ordeals as being in the ranks of those being unemployed... hit the post button, got an error message, and poof, post disappeared into oblivion...🤬, oh well, I thought it was a good read, but it hurts too much to try rewriting it (can only type for so long)... 😣 😣 😣

happy smoking to you all...

🇨🇮

angus13 wrote:



I hate that... seems to happen (here and elsewhere) whenever you've made a long and thoughtful post. The computers! They are against us! 😣

If you feel up to it now, try typing at least part of it out, I'm interested to hear your point of view. Just copy your post before you post it so if it bugs out you can paste it back in.
gringococolo
15 years ago
Federal minimum wage $7.25. 40 hrs x $7.25 = $290. Minus taxes = (-7.65 % $22.18 Fica and $2 federal withholding bi-weekly, married) = $265.81 weekly in Florida.

Unemployment $275 per week - taxes ($23.03) = $251.96

Unemployment clearly pays more than minimum wage because no transportation costs are involved.

$265.81 x 52 = $13822.12 per year or $1151.84 a month. Half of that would go to rent in the cheapest place you could find. $500.00 a month to live on, pay gas, groceries, etc. I shop at the commissary (no cheaper place to buy good food) and my bill is $400 plus a month. Poor people can not afford to eat anything healthy. Why... government subsidies on farmers, excessive regulation, too much government. Hell, local farmers can't even sell goods because the GOVERNMENT is too busy "protecting" you.

There is a problem in America. I wish I had the answer. It sure as hell isn't wasting money by continually extending benefiits. It isn't raising the minimum wage, because people aren't willing to work for the minimum wage right now. The answer is less government regulation and waste.

If you are stupid to wash pesticides off your tomatoes, you deserve to die. My grandmother always grew her own vegetables with little or no pesticides, she scrubbed the heck out of them, I never got e-coli or poisoned.

Get the government out of our lives. Things will be better.
DrMaddVibe
15 years ago

Get the government out of our lives. Things will be better.

gringococolo wrote:




Oh, but that absolves personal responsibility! The victim mentality or the "I'm owed xxxxx" attitude that's prevalent in today's American society is thick. It won't be eradicated overnight.

People still think that government is some Santa Claus figure that gives them what they want and need. They need to get over it. The system is broke. Getting back to the Constitution is the ONLY way we fix this mess.

End the entitlements. Now. With extreme prejudice. There will be pain.
delarob
15 years ago
Being in the Social Services field I see both sides of the issue. Problem is there are more people who know how to work the system then there are who honestly just need a little help. Once you get the assistance, it's not hard to figure out that it's easy money and you don't really have to do much to stay on it for several years. Dumbasses think they can't be heard sitting in the waiting room but they tell each other how to lie and cheat. Specially the welfare jokers who have several children and change head of household every couple years to keep the checks rolling in . Then of course they get free child support for 18 + years depending on the states age of emancipation, free court filing, accounting etc.. it doesn't take long to see how it drags society down with no end in sight. And let's not even talk about illegals.

I started drafting something years ago that I never finished about states starting a program that not only gives people skilss, but utilizes the ones they have that helps not only the community, but gives back to the worker and creates employment. For example... There are far too many people rotting in prison that have construction skills. If you take the ones (non violent offenders of course) that want to work, put them through a state run program and have them start to work on houses in run down neighborhoods for people that can't afford private contractors, you start to improve some of the blighted areas. While working on these details, you earn good time against your sentence. After a certain number of houses lets say, you then earn credits for fixing up your own house. This process not only gives skills, but it would help you move into possible ownership of your own company or a good leg up on getting a job with cooperating private companies. Of course you could do this with a number of fields.
tailgater
15 years ago
Until a long term solution can be formulated, there is an easy short term fix:

Enforce abuse with jail time.

Sure, many will say that we can't "afford" this.
But we're already paying to support these leaches, so why not dump them into a minimal security joint with no television (gasp!) and mandatory chain gang style street cleaning?

Let the welfare go to those who truly need and/or deserve the help.


This would also help change America's attitude towards the social systems.
We used to have empathy or even pity for those on welfare. We wanted to pick them up and keep them fed until they could get back on their feet.
Now we are angered by their sloth and irresponsible behavior.

We can still fix the system.
But until that time, let's punish those who abuse it.
tweoijfoi
15 years ago

Being in the Social Services field I see both sides of the issue. Problem is there are more people who know how to work the system then there are who honestly just need a little help. Once you get the assistance, it's not hard to figure out that it's easy money and you don't really have to do much to stay on it for several years. Dumbasses think they can't be heard sitting in the waiting room but they tell each other how to lie and cheat. Specially the welfare jokers who have several children and change head of household every couple years to keep the checks rolling in . Then of course they get free child support for 18 + years depending on the states age of emancipation, free court filing, accounting etc.. it doesn't take long to see how it drags society down with no end in sight. And let's not even talk about illegals.

I started drafting something years ago that I never finished about states starting a program that not only gives people skilss, but utilizes the ones they have that helps not only the community, but gives back to the worker and creates employment. For example... There are far too many people rotting in prison that have construction skills. If you take the ones (non violent offenders of course) that want to work, put them through a state run program and have them start to work on houses in run down neighborhoods for people that can't afford private contractors, you start to improve some of the blighted areas. While working on these details, you earn good time against your sentence. After a certain number of houses lets say, you then earn credits for fixing up your own house. This process not only gives skills, but it would help you move into possible ownership of your own company or a good leg up on getting a job with cooperating private companies. Of course you could do this with a number of fields.

delarob wrote:



I like your idea, delarob. We have so many people doing nothing, whether its on unemployment, in jail, or on welfare, and all around us there are so many things that need to be done.
wheelrite
15 years ago
we should trade our dead Beats to Mexico for some hard working illegals...
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