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Saturday, February 5, 2011 7:49:45 PM
Chris Carter, the #2 WR in NFL history, gets denied... and Marshall Faulk gets inducted?

Really?

Marshall Faulk?

C'mon, man... Gale Sayers is a HoF'er. Based on what? Brian's **** song? Terrell Davis has him beat in numbers and SB rings, not to mention SB MVP's.

And Richard fuggin Dent over Charles Haley? Are... you... ****king... kidding...me??!!!!!!!!

F U C K ME.

That is all. For now.

plinytheelder
Saturday, February 5, 2011 8:04:46 PM
I just saw that Richard Dent made it. Not being a Bears fan, I always thought he was overrated.

The one player that is a mystery as to why he hasn't been enshrined is Randy Gradishar of the Broncos. He was one of the great LB's to ever play, and because of where he played, he gets no respect.

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Saturday, February 5, 2011 10:25:06 PM

I just saw that Richard Dent made it. Not being a Bears fan, I always thought he was overrated.

The one player that is a mystery as to why he hasn't been enshrined is Randy Gradishar of the Broncos. He was one of the great LB's to ever play, and because of where he played, he gets no respect.

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Word to your mother... Randy Gradishar deserves to be in the hall, my friend. But... like Terrell Davis... or, better yet, Floyd Little... Randy will never make the hall. Because REAL football fans have NO fu c k i n g CLUE.

TD deserves enshrinement more than Floyd. Yet Floyd is in, and he desereves to be there. Casual fans don't even know who Randy Gradishar is. They have no clue who Tom Jackson is, except that he plays a football player on Sundays on ESPN. But Tommy Jackson will tell you that Randy Gradishar was the REAL Linebacker on THAT Orange Crush Defense.

Richard Dent over Charles Haley? Puh-fuggin-LEEEEAAAASE.

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Saturday, February 5, 2011 10:40:22 PM
Allow me to express my extreme awe. Un-fuggin-believe-a-fuggin-ble. Fugg-me-fuggin-runnin..holy frackin ****kkkkin shiiiiit.

Charles Haley has FIVE **** SUPERBOWL RINGS!!!!!

But lets take Richard frackin Dent.... who earned ONE and sucked up a second ring. YEAH!!! That's the **** ticket!

Wait... I'm holdin' back.... Chuck won a ring in 88, 89, 92, 93 and 95. Richard fuggin Dent? Beat the Patriots in 1985... woooo big fuggin man on campus... whoop up on the retard... and then he got him a second ring when the 94 Niners smoked the shiiiitbird Chargers... woo frickin whoooo... Jerry Rice scored the fastest touchdown in history in three freakin plays... thank you very much Stanley Richard! (LOOOOOSEEEEER).

Seriously... Richard Dent over Charles Haley? Are you **** kidding me? How Stupid ARE these people?

ggriffi
Saturday, February 5, 2011 11:38:27 PM

Chris Carter, the #2 WR in NFL history, gets denied... and Marshall Faulk gets inducted?

Really?

Marshall Faulk?

C'mon, man... Gale Sayers is a HoF'er. Based on what? Brian's **** song? Terrell Davis has him beat in numbers and SB rings, not to mention SB MVP's.

And Richard fuggin Dent over Charles Haley? Are... you... ****king... kidding...me??!!!!!!!!

F U C K ME.

That is all. For now.

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MACS,

Don't disagree at all about CC. Whenever Andre Reed gets in, then CC and Tim Brown should be able to get in. I think alot of the problems with who gets in and when is because they only allow 5 modern era players. I gotta say this though, use Faulk was the best RB of his day and this goes back before he got traded to the Rams. I got to watch him for 5 yrs there (StL) and he fuggin great! TD deserves to be in too, but I would take Marshall ahead of him though.

just my .02

BTW - hows the getting drunk goin???

8trackdisco
Saturday, February 5, 2011 11:58:18 PM

Chris Carter, the #2 WR in NFL history, gets denied... and Marshall Faulk gets inducted?

Really?

Marshall Faulk?

C'mon, man... Gale Sayers is a HoF'er. Based on what? Brian's **** song? Terrell Davis has him beat in numbers and SB rings, not to mention SB MVP's.

And Richard fuggin Dent over Charles Haley? Are... you... ****king... kidding...me??!!!!!!!!

F U C K ME.

That is all. For now.

MACS wrote:

It's good to see low character people with big mouths suffer a bit. He'll get in (Carter).

The HOF is just sending a message.

donutboy2000
Sunday, February 6, 2011 12:03:23 AM
Read and learn:

Fame couldn't wait for Sayers

By M.B. Roberts

Special to ESPN.com

Few of us have one defining day in our life, one for which we forever will be remembered. Gale Sayers does: Dec. 12, 1965.

It was a wet, bone-chilling, see-your-breath day in Chicago. Sayers, a rookie halfback for the Bears, tied the NFL mark for most touchdowns in a game by scoring six against the San Francisco 49ers in a classic contest that has been featured many times in fuzzy, black-and-white TV highlights.

Despite the fuzz, fans remember it vividly. So does Sayers. It's difficult to forget a day spent sloshing knee-deep through the mud.

Sayers had a lot of magnificent days; enough to land him in the Pro Football Hall of Fame at age 34, the youngest inductee ever. Packing them into a short career makes them even more remarkable. In seven seasons (only 68 games because of two devastating knee injuries), Sayers collected honors more representative of a life's work.

"His days at the top of his game were numbered, but there was a magic about him that still sets him apart from the other great running backs in pro football," Pulitzer Prize-winning sportswriter Red Smith wrote. "He wasn't a bruiser like Jimmy Brown, but he could slice through the middle like a warm knife through butter, and when he took a pitchout and peeled around the corner, he was the most exciting thing in pro football."

The 6-foot, 200-pound Sayers was the 1965 Rookie of the Year after scoring 22 touchdowns, an NFL record that would stand 10 years and still is the rookie mark. He would only play three more full seasons, and in two of them, he would lead the NFL in rushing. Named to the Pro Bowl in each of his first five seasons, he was voted the outstanding back of those games three times.

A severe left knee injury in 1970 effectively ended his career. After playing only two games in 1971, he was finished at 28. In his career, he had gained 6,213 yards running and receiving and scored a total of 56 touchdowns, including eight on kickoff and punt returns. He averaged 5.0 yards a run on his 991 carries (for 4,956 yards). He had set seven NFL records and 23 team marks.

But numbers are simply inadequate to describe Sayers. Better to focus on his elusive moves. His hips gyrated like an exotic dancer's. Sportswriters called him "the football version of the three-card monte" -- now you see him, now you don't -- and "a movable feast."

Bears coach George Halas, who had seen many sensational backs (including the legendary Red Grange, who ran wild 40 years before Sayers), said, "Gale detects daylight. The average back, when he sees a hole, will try to bull his way through. But Gale, if the hole is even partly clogged, instinctively takes off in the right direction. And he does it so swiftly and surely that the defense is usually frozen."

Besides finding holes, Sayers was noted for his "cuts," changing direction and eluding tacklers without losing speed.

Even comedian Bill Cosby weighed in: "He is the man who splits himself in half and leaves the half without the football with the tackler."

Sayers was born on May 30, 1943 in Wichita, Kan. He grew up in Omaha, Neb., the son of a car polisher and mechanic. A star running back at Omaha Central High School, more than 75 colleges offered him scholarships. Sayers said he chose Kansas because he liked coach Jack Mitchell and it was close to home.

Sayers also ran track at Kansas, competing in the high hurdles, 100-yard-dash and even setting a school record for the long jump at 24-10 1/2. But it was on the gridiron that "The Kansas Comet" truly excelled, being a two-time All-American (1963 and 1964). He rushed for 2,675 yards in his Kansas career, including setting the NCAA record for the longest run from scrimmage, 99 yards against Nebraska in 1963.

Sayers was drafted by the Kansas City Chiefs in the AFL and the Bears in the NFL (fourth overall pick, immediately after Chicago selected another All-American, linebacker ****** Butkus). Despite a more lucrative offer from the Chiefs, Sayers chose the Bears, even though he described their counter-offer as "$4.95 and a carton of Cokes."

In his fifth game, Sayers scored four touchdowns in a 45-37 victory over the Minnesota Vikings. He did even better two months later in the Bears' 61-20 rout of the 49ers, with his six touchdowns equaling the record set by the Chicago Cardinals' Ernie Nevers in 1929 and tied by the Cleveland Browns' Dub Jones in 1951.

His scores came in a variety of ways: 80-yard screen pass, runs of 21, 7, 50 and 1 yards, and an 85-yard punt return. He accounted for 336 yards -- 113 rushing, 89 on receptions and 134 on punt returns.

For his rookie season Sayers accumulated 2,272 yards rushing, receiving and returning kickoffs and punts. In 1966, he ran for a career-high 1,231 yards in the 14-game season, winning the rushing title.

Two years later, though, his world fell apart. Midway through the 1968 season, in the midst of his best campaign to date, the 49ers' Kermit Alexander took out Sayers, who suffered a ruptured cartilage and two torn ligaments in his right knee. He was out for the season.

"The injury was only serious because they had to saw through muscles and nerves," said Sayers. "If they'd had arthroscopic techniques in those days, I'd have been back in a couple of weeks."

Despite the seriousness of the injury, Sayers began the slow process of rehab and physical therapy. He returned to the Bears' lineup in 1969 and ran for 1,032 yards, winning his second rushing title. He also was awarded the George Halas Award as "the most courageous player in professional football."

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Sunday, February 6, 2011 12:04:04 AM

It's good to see low character people with big mouths suffer a bit. He'll get in (Carter).

The HOF is just sending a message.

8trackdisco wrote:

Speaking of mo fuggers wit big fat yappers and nuttin ta say... what'choo spoutin' 8track?

plinytheelder
Sunday, February 6, 2011 12:08:18 AM
Interesting point 8. I don't think the NFL does things like that, but maybe you're right on this one.
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Sunday, February 6, 2011 12:10:41 AM
Time out.

Hey donuthole... since you're such a god dang authority on statistics... compare Gale Sayers' Stats to Terrell Davis' Stats. TD has more games won, more championships, more rushing yards, more playoff games, more MVP's, more (fill in the blank)... Gale got in based on what? Nothing. Terrell ain't in because why? 2 SB wins? 7 consecutive playoff wins with 100 yds in each game? What?

Please explain how many SB MVP's Gale Sayers has.... (none)

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Sunday, February 6, 2011 12:12:33 AM
Queue the Jeopardy fuuuuuckin music.......
8trackdisco
Sunday, February 6, 2011 12:22:28 AM

Speaking of mo fuggers wit big fat yappers and nuttin ta say... what'choo spoutin' 8track?

MACS wrote:

I had to mention Cris Carter by name in the note. I didn't want you to think the "low character" label was being applied to you.............. ... at least in this message.

😉

8trackdisco
Sunday, February 6, 2011 12:25:32 AM

Time out.

Hey donuthole... since you're such a god dang authority on statistics... compare Gale Sayers' Stats to Terrell Davis' Stats. TD has more games won, more championships, more rushing yards, more playoff games, more MVP's, more (fill in the blank)... Gale got in based on what? Nothing. Terrell ain't in because why? 2 SB wins? 7 consecutive playoff wins with 100 yds in each game? What?

Please explain how many SB MVP's Gale Sayers has.... (none)

MACS wrote:

Waaaait a minute.

Before we go with this Championships thing, step back.

There is likely some Patriots third string Guard that has two or three rings. It doesn't make him great.

To illustrate the point best, Dilfer has a ring, Dan Marino doesn't.

Who would you rather have under Center?

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Sunday, February 6, 2011 12:32:36 AM
Lets compare apples to apples... You're the 1984 Dolphins... you gotta get yo ass handed to you by the 1984 Niners... you want Marino chuckin it to WR's that ain't scorin' or... you want Danny Handin' the ball to Gale Sayers... who gonna keep the Niners offense sittin down?

Homie chucked it for over 5000 yds and it got him ****. The Marks brothers (clayton and duper... had NO runnin game).

8trackdisco
Sunday, February 6, 2011 12:41:59 AM

Lets compare apples to apples... You're the 1984 Dolphins... you gotta get yo ass handed to you by the 1984 Niners... you want Marino chuckin it to WR's that ain't scorin' or... you want Danny Handin' the ball to Gale Sayers... who gonna keep the Niners offense sittin down?

Homie chucked it for over 5000 yds and it got him ****. The Marks brothers (clayton and duper... had NO runnin game).

MACS wrote:

You can't pick Gayle Sayers there. He was 50 in 1984.

Sayers and Tom Waddle would have probably got Marino a ring where Duper & Clayton failed.

But the bottom line appears to be Rings in your assessment. Having a ring is good, but in the end it isn't the end all be all.

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Sunday, February 6, 2011 1:24:57 AM
Not really. I'm just trying to compare what Gale Sayers did to what Terrell Davis did. Their numbers are very similar, with TD having the advantage. They have similar injuries, with Sayers' benefitting from media market and Davis benefitting from winning 2 Superbowls. Lets be honest... Elway doesn't win sh*t without Davis. 157 yds in 3 qtrs... because homey sat down for the entire 2nd qtr.

1999 Denver doesn't even come near the SB without Davis... Sayers had great games but he never got his team close. Ever. Ever.

Great player, sure. HoF'er? Not even close. If HE is.... then TD is, based on better numbers in the same # of games and better playoff numbers and SB numbers.

kombat96
Sunday, February 6, 2011 1:41:56 AM
Keep in mind folks its about image too. haley was a dink. and carter was trash talk & baby ball hog.
jetblasted
Sunday, February 6, 2011 12:15:34 PM
I'm surprised that Dion Sanders got in ... And, as I posted on another thread, Maxie Baughan sitll waits . . .