delarob
15 years ago
Ya know, I thnk everyone agrees that anyone can come here, just do it the right way. If that way is slow, find ways to speed it up. If you can't do that then why should we just grant immunity just because you can run across the border.

It amounts to theft of services.
deadeyedick
15 years ago
The USA is unique in conferring birthright citizenship on the US-born children of illegal immigrants. The 14th Amendment was never written or intended to be used in this way but was written to confer citizenship on former slaves not immigrants.

It has been interpeted by the courts to become immigration policy instead of citizenship policy.

Our immigration policies have allowed millions of immigrants to gain citizenship just because they are related to a citizen.

DED
DrafterX
15 years ago

The USA is unique in conferring birthright citizenship on the US-born children of illegal immigrants. The 14th Amendment was never written or intended to be used in this way but was written to confer citizenship on former slaves not immigrants.

It has been interpeted by the courts to become immigration policy instead of citizenship policy.

Our immigration policies have allowed millions of immigrants to gain citizenship just because they are related to a citizen.

DED

deadeyedick wrote:




:-k I haven't heard that....
DrMaddVibe
15 years ago
Was CROS deported?🐴
Lumpa
15 years ago

Any baby born on US soil should be a citizen.

Lumpa wrote:



Ummm....NO.

daveincincy wrote:


So you are saying the constitution has it wrong?
Hmm. The old document seems to have served pretty well so far, and it seems odd it would break down on such a simple issue. The framers had European backgrounds - the concept of "our country is full" would probably not have been inconceivable to them.

This absoposilutely would require a constitutional amendment to change, and anyways, IMHO the American Way is to not turn our backs on those who originated here.


This does not give any rights whatsoever to anybody else.
If parents aren't legally entitled to be here, then why should citizenship of their child change that?
Hospitals that seek to offer obstetrics to foreigners should be heavily regulated and taxed.

If baby can grow up to be productive enough to create American jobs, then baby can fill those jobs them with whomever baby chooses, subject to immigration paperwork being done.

Lumpa wrote:



Well, then why offer citizenship to any baby born on US soil if the parents are not citizens? And if any child born on US soil can become a citizen, I agree, it should not give any rights to anybody else (i.e. non-citizen parents). But if a child born on US soil can become a citizen simply by being born here, what do you do with the parent(s)? Does the doc say, "the kid can stay, but you gots to go."

daveincincy wrote:


Precisely.
Well, preferably it would be the police saying that,

If they can arrange for the baby to stay, OK.
If the kid leaves, but can get back, fine.
But the parents don't get a free ride.
deadeyedick
15 years ago
"But the parents don't get a free ride."

Unfortunately that is not true with our current system. The immediate family of a citizen has a large preference in the green card lottery.

DED
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