rfenst
15 years ago

The key in this to understand that whoever is President or whatever party they represent has very little influence over the average citizen's day to day life. Good and bad things happen...business cycles come and go......everything is cyclical and there is very little that a single person can or SHOULD do about them. This is why, frankly, I'm not too concerned with who the President is. There is almost no difference in any of them. I think Obama has turned out to be an exceptionally mediocre President. If given what I consider to be a better choice, I will vote for someone else. If not, I will vote for him again. It just doesn't matter that much. It would take a leader the likes of which have not been seen in a very long time in this country to really and truly stir things up and make changes. I don't know who that person may be...but...I DO know that they are currently NOT on the collective radar of the American people. It may seem like I don't care but I do.....I'm just enough of a realist to not trust or believe in the motives of ANYONE running or in the spotlight at this time. I'm not even sure that it would possible for a person like that to come forward. This country celebrates mediocrity and does not trust greatness. It would scare the ****t out of the current status quo. 😣 😣 😣

JadeRose wrote:




I concur. We must be the two most apathetic posters on Cbid. Can we blame it on Obama or should it be pushed back on to Bush? I really don't care, so you should decide for me. LOL!


T Z
  • T Z
  • Herf-A-Holic
15 years ago
Workin 6 days a week for less pay .got to love this liberal democrap gov.
Gene363
15 years ago
France is looking pretty butch.
wheelrite
15 years ago

I concur. We must be the two most apathetic posters on Cbid. Can we blame it on Obama or should it be pushed back on to Bush? I really don't care, so you should decide for me. LOL!


rfenst wrote:



Your're a commie and Jade's a queer !!:-$
HockeyDad
15 years ago

Workin 6 days a week for less pay .got to love this liberal democrap gov.

T Z wrote:




That's just globalization! Liberal democrap gov would have you making the same pay and not working.
Homebrew
15 years ago
I am working a whole lot less hours,
and making a whole lot more money. 🇨🇮 🇨🇮 🇨🇮 🇨🇮
But that has more to do with the evolution, and maturing of my business, than anything to do with politics.


Dave (A.K.A. Homebrew)
wheelrite
15 years ago

I am working a whole lot less hours,
and making a whole lot more money. 🇨🇮 🇨🇮 🇨🇮 🇨🇮
But that has more to do with the evolution, and maturing of my business, than anything to do with politics.


Dave (A.K.A. Homebrew)

Homebrew wrote:



Very cool !!
fiddler898
15 years ago
It's all the next President's fault.
ggriffi
15 years ago

All this attention from you...gee, I didn't know you cared!?

All because I called you a fence sitter in another thread?

Can't recall calling Obama the worst thing EVER, but now that YOU mention it...

Let's look at things Obama has done since taking office, shall we?

Used taxpayer money to bailout 2 auto companies when bankruptcy laws would've sufficed, but we had to give unions MORE power than what they already had.

As a retired 30 yr. member of the UAW you have no clue about how much "MORE" power than we already. No way bankruptcy would have helped. And I have seen first hand the ripple effects of one assembly plant closing and I shudder to think what might have happened had not one but two major American Corporations had gone under. And lastly I worked for the one that didn't get a bailout.

Used taxpayer money to bailout banks and institutions that were "too big to fail" AND foreign banks too!

Sit around and do absoultely NOTHING while the Gulf of Mexico was turned into toxic soup all the while putting us on the foreign oil teat.

Bowed to foreign dignitaries when the Presidential protocol tells him to not!

Closed off NASA from using an aged delivery system while a replacement is put into place making us use Soviet "shuttles" to a space station we designed.


Do you want me to stop yet? Didn't even mention Gitmo, the wars he was going to stop or the debt he's creating with his inexperience...I don't want to get inbetween you and your wife going 20 toes to Jesus or anything, I mean it's all about what goes on with YOUR marriage and all things considered right?

DrMaddVibe wrote:


DrMaddVibe
15 years ago
"As a retired 30 yr. member of the UAW you have no clue about how much "MORE" power than we already. No way bankruptcy would have helped. And I have seen first hand the ripple effects of one assembly plant closing and I shudder to think what might have happened had not one but two major American Corporations had gone under. And lastly I worked for the one that didn't get a bailout." - ggriffi

When you wipe out bond and shareholders to give the UAW 6 seats at the BOD you MOST certainly put more power into the union.

Sorry, but everyone was eating high on the hog working for those 2. Management and union workers alike. There was more than enough blame to go around. The American taxpayer didn't need to be conned into a forced loan. Companies go bankrupt all the time. There are bankruptcy protection laws that allow a company to still function while they restructure. Look it up. All this BS about the doomsday "what if's" is mute. We'll never know what ripple effects because all we did was stall them. GM will fall again and Chrysler was bought by a company that couldn't even import here anymore because their cars were so terrible!

As far as Ford goes...I have nothing but good things to say about them and not taking the govt. money. They acted like a business that was responsible and wanted to thrive within the capitalist model not the socialist one.
RICKAMAVEN
15 years ago

You are the funniest person I have ever ran into online, and that really says a lot. I can't wait to listen to you when Obama gets re-elected.

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pgje51
15 years ago
I now have multiple copies of all family members' birth certificates in safety deposit box.
MTappert
15 years ago
I lost my awesome finance job.... had to get a job digging holes (no joke) had no health care (i thought obama was doing something about that) I applied to over 200 jobs, hearing barely a chirp back. Finally got a new job at 85% of what I was making at my previous finance job, and I went through great lengths contacting personal and professional connections to get it.

he has done a whole lot for me
FuzzNJ
15 years ago

I lost my awesome finance job.... had to get a job digging holes (no joke) had no health care (i thought obama was doing something about that) I applied to over 200 jobs, hearing barely a chirp back. Finally got a new job at 85% of what I was making at my previous finance job, and I went through great lengths contacting personal and professional connections to get it.

he has done a whole lot for me

MTappert wrote:



Conservatives think governments don't create jobs and Presidents have little effect on the economy.

My wife has actually had the opposite experience. Promotions and raises totalling around 40%, not including bonuses. Maybe if the financial markets hadn't blown to bits due to de-regulation and greed, you'd be doing much better. But I guess it's just easier to blame Obama for not hiring you, or something.
ZRX1200
15 years ago
I think you're partially right Fuzzy.


Conservatives think govt. don't create jobs and Presidents can have a greater negative than positive effect on the economy.
wheelrite
15 years ago
I hate the premise of this debate ...

I want to be allowed to succeed or fail on my own..
Sure,my business is down a bit.But,it's up to me to make it happen.

I'll say this,,
This recession would've run it's course in short order without The Fed Govt's intervention.Only the economy and markets can right themslves..
DadZilla3
15 years ago

How Has Your Life Changed Since Obama Has Been Elected?


Little if any change, for me directly. I do believe we're making zero progress in curbing government wasteful spending however, which bodes no good for future generations. To paraphrase Christine Lagarde's comment to Hank Paulson...we're all standing on the beach, a tsunami is coming, and we're arguing over what color bathing suits we should wear.
ZRX1200
15 years ago
Red.....blue....purple....
FuzzNJ
15 years ago

Little if any change, for me directly. I do believe we're making zero progress in curbing government wasteful spending however, which bodes no good for future generations. To paraphrase Christine Lagarde's comment to Hank Paulson...we're all standing on the beach, a tsunami is coming, and we're arguing over what color bathing suits we should wear.

DadZilla3 wrote:



From 'Too Big to Fail' right?

If so, you seem to have missed the entire point of the damn movie if you think it was about curbing wasteful government spending, and that's so disappointing.
elk hunter
15 years ago

I work in the oilfield industry and will end up making less this year than last. The blatant disregard of his so called advisors has directly impacted many lives. Even with a federal court ruling against the moratorium, the Obama administration continues to uphold it.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-02-03/u-s-administration-in-contempt-over-gulf-drill-ban-judge-rules.html 

The initial panel advised to increase the regulations on drilling offshore, but Salazar took their findings and submitted his own amended report. 🤥

http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2010/06/09/experts-disavow-salazars-drilling-moratorium/ 

Still to this day, no offshore drilling permits have been issued. They increased safety measures are in place. The oil companies are proving they are complying. Obama and his advisors are stone walling and holding it up with no reason as to why.

The Gulf of Mexico area, both onshore and offshore, is one of the most important regions for energy resources and infrastructure. Gulf of Mexico offshore oil production accounts for 29 percent of total U.S. crude oil production and offshore natural gas production in the Gulf accounts for 13 percent of total U.S. production. Over 40 percent of total U.S. petroleum refining capacity is located along the Gulf coast, as well as almost 30 percent of total U.S. natural gas processing plant capacity.

With all of the unrest in the major oil producing countries we are facing some serious problems. All Obama is doing is ensuring that we will be dependent on imported oil. You may not see the effects today or tomorrow from shutting the Gulf of Mexico down, but you will see it. Major finds are sitting stagnant, and companies are looking to other countries to continue work. Drilling rigs are sitting idle while other countries are begging for them. Once they leave and go, they will not return for years.

It may not seem like you have problems now, but you will change your tune soon enough. When gas gets above $4 a gallon and food prices increase, wonder what he did for you then.


nitro6526 wrote:





As a direct result of higher fuel prices, less people are driving.... That means less people are wearing out their cars, and don't need repairs... That's where I come in... I do the repairs... DEFINITELY not as much as I used to... Making roughly half of what I used to.... But hey!!!! At least the guy that started this thread can capitalize on the people that have lost everything!!!! Good times!!!!
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