wheelrite
15 years ago

From 'Too Big to Fail' right?

If so, you seem to have missed the entire point of the damn movie if you think it was about curbing wasteful government spending, and that's so disappointing.

FuzzNJ wrote:



Too big to fail is the problem...
ANY business that has put itself in a precarious situation should be forced/allowed to fail on it's own.The Tarp Crisis was a scam,manufactured by Bankers,Fannie Mae and others .The sky wasn't falling. The policies ,such as the "Affordable Housing Act" caused the snowball to roll...

wheel,
FuzzNJ
15 years ago

Too big to fail is the problem...
ANY business that has put itself in a precarious situation should be forced/allowed to fail on it's own.The Tarp Crisis was a scam,manufactured by Bankers,Fannie Mae and others .The sky wasn't falling. The policies ,such as the "Affordable Housing Act" caused the snowball to roll...

wheel,

wheelrite wrote:



Too big to fail was a result of the derivitive market not being regulated, open or monitored.

And, once again, poor people did NOT cause this crisis, CRA did not cause this crisis, simply not true. I know Hannity, Beck and Limbaugh keep saying it, but it's still not true.

Full Report:

http://cybercemetery.unt.edu/archive/fcic/20110310172443/http://fcic.gov/ 

http://www.lexisnexis.com/community/realestatelaw/blogs/troubledloans/archive/2011/02/14/finally-financial-crisis-explained-in-government-report-issued-january-27-2011-analyzing-factors-in-crisis-including-housing.aspx 

Attempt to Solve Redlining - with CRA -- Was Not the Problem

The panel specifically addressed the Community Reinvestment Act (CRA) and concluded that the CRA was not a significant factor in subprime lending or the crisis. The CRA, which was enacted in 1977, sought to address redlining whereby banks denied credit to individuals and businesses in certain neighborhoods without regard to the applicants' creditworthiness. The panel noted that many subprime lenders were not subject to the CRA and that only 6% of high-cost loans (a proxy for subprime loans) had any connection to the CRA. Chapter 5, titled "Subprime Lending," cites to a 1997 study that indicated that loans made under the CRA performed consistently with the rest of the banks' portfolios, suggesting that CRA lending was not riskier than other lending.

This financial crisis was avoidable.
Widespread failures in financial regulation and supervision proved devastating to the stability of the nation's financial markets.
Dramatic failures of corporate governance and risk management at many systemically important financial institutions were a key cause of this crisis.
A combination of excessive borrowing, risky investments, and lack of transparency put the financial system on collision course with crisis.
The government was ill prepared for the crisis, and its inconsistent response added to the uncertainty and panic in the financial markets.
There was a systemic breakdown in accountability and ethics.
Collapsing mortgage-lending standards and the mortgage securitization pipeline lit and spread the flame of contagion and crisis.
Over-the-counter derivatives contributed significantly to this crisis.
Failures of the credit rating agencies were essential cogs in the wheel of financial destruction.

HockeyDad
15 years ago
I've had to listen for 2.5 years as flamers apologized for Obama's shortcomings, failings, and overpromises.
wheelrite
15 years ago

Too big to fail was a result of the derivitive market not being regulated, open or monitored.

And, once again, poor people did NOT cause this crisis, CRA did not cause this crisis, simply not true. I know Hannity, Beck and Limbaugh keep saying it, but it's still not true.

Full Report:

http://cybercemetery.unt.edu/archive/fcic/20110310172443/http://fcic.gov/ 

http://www.lexisnexis.com/community/realestatelaw/blogs/troubledloans/archive/2011/02/14/finally-financial-crisis-explained-in-government-report-issued-january-27-2011-analyzing-factors-in-crisis-including-housing.aspx 

Attempt to Solve Redlining - with CRA -- Was Not the Problem

The panel specifically addressed the Community Reinvestment Act (CRA) and concluded that the CRA was not a significant factor in subprime lending or the crisis. The CRA, which was enacted in 1977, sought to address redlining whereby banks denied credit to individuals and businesses in certain neighborhoods without regard to the applicants' creditworthiness. The panel noted that many subprime lenders were not subject to the CRA and that only 6% of high-cost loans (a proxy for subprime loans) had any connection to the CRA. Chapter 5, titled "Subprime Lending," cites to a 1997 study that indicated that loans made under the CRA performed consistently with the rest of the banks' portfolios, suggesting that CRA lending was not riskier than other lending.

This financial crisis was avoidable.
Widespread failures in financial regulation and supervision proved devastating to the stability of the nation's financial markets.
Dramatic failures of corporate governance and risk management at many systemically important financial institutions were a key cause of this crisis.
A combination of excessive borrowing, risky investments, and lack of transparency put the financial system on collision course with crisis.
The government was ill prepared for the crisis, and its inconsistent response added to the uncertainty and panic in the financial markets.
There was a systemic breakdown in accountability and ethics.
Collapsing mortgage-lending standards and the mortgage securitization pipeline lit and spread the flame of contagion and crisis.
Over-the-counter derivatives contributed significantly to this crisis.
Failures of the credit rating agencies were essential cogs in the wheel of financial destruction.

FuzzNJ wrote:



Dude,,
like it or not,
It all started with the Libs mandating that loans be made to people who never had a prayer of paying it back. Not to mention all the Libs/former Clinton staff that got filthy rich at Fannie and Freddie and walked away scott free..

wheel,
FuzzNJ
15 years ago

Dude,,
like it or not,
It all started with the Libs mandating that loans be made to people who never had a prayer of paying it back.

wheel,

wheelrite wrote:



But it didn't you see. It's simply not true. That never, ever even happened. It is a myth, a lie, a falsehood, wrong, that sir is a dead parrot!

CRA did not do that, never, ever forever amen. And it had nothing, absolutely nothing, nada, zero to do with the financial crisis.

I've even pointed you to an extremely comprehensive report on the entire thing. We've discussed this before too where I also provided more documentation.

What you are saying here is not true, never has been true and still remains untrue.
wheelrite
15 years ago

But it didn't you see. It's simply not true. That never, ever even happened. It is a myth, a lie, a falsehood, wrong, that sir is a dead parrot!

CRA did not do that, never, ever forever amen. And it had nothing, absolutely nothing, nada, zero to do with the financial crisis.

I've even pointed you to an extremely comprehensive report on the entire thing. We've discussed this before too where I also provided more documentation.

What you are saying here is not true, never has been true and still remains untrue.

FuzzNJ wrote:



it is...
ask Barney Frank the homo that ran an gay brothel from his home,Jimmy Carter ,our worst pres,and Bill Clinton ,the adulterer..

ha ha ha !
[whip] [whip] [whip] [whip]
rfenst
15 years ago

it is...
ask Barney Frank the homo that ran an gay brothel from his home,Jimmy Carter ,our worst pres,and Bill Clinton ,the adulterer..

ha ha ha !
[whip] [whip] [whip] [whip]

wheelrite wrote:




I will take this as a concession.
MIKEHARV
15 years ago
Hmm...let me see my life really hasn’t changed at all...some old **** still deploy...still get paid. So yeah. Not really big on politickin’. Heck i didn’t even vote last time...too much of a hassle i was deployed and i didn’t like any of the candidates....
Stinkdyr
15 years ago
Since Owebomba has been elected:

1. My taxes have gone up.
2. I along with all taxpayers are now more in debt than ever in history.
3. Stagflation is increasing.


That is change, right?


=d>
DrMaddVibe
15 years ago

Conservatives think governments don't create jobs and Presidents have little effect on the economy.

FuzzNJ wrote:




And Progressives think that's all the government should be doing! Well, that and feeding you...burping you and tucking you into bed at night too!

Yeah, I'm really glad those Founding Fathers put the pen to the paper, sacrificed their own livelihoods and personal safety so you could play mamby-pamby with their concepts.

Please show me where they wrote out that the government should be an employer like under this administration? Average salaries beyond the norm, favoritism to campaign donors...yeah...still think its those boogey men Conservatives though? They're always out to get you!

[sarcasm]
gringococolo
15 years ago
I have tendonitis in my middle finger from flipping off all the people with Obama bumper stickers.
FuzzNJ
15 years ago

And Progressives think that's all the government should be doing! Well, that and feeding you...burping you and tucking you into bed at night too!

Yeah, I'm really glad those Founding Fathers put the pen to the paper, sacrificed their own livelihoods and personal safety so you could play mamby-pamby with their concepts.

Please show me where they wrote out that the government should be an employer like under this administration? Average salaries beyond the norm, favoritism to campaign donors...yeah...still think its those boogey men Conservatives though? They're always out to get you!

[sarcasm]

DrMaddVibe wrote:



Thank you for that fine example of a straw man.
DrMaddVibe
15 years ago
It's not there is it?

Just like anything else...you can't provide the 411.

HockeyDad
15 years ago

It's not there is it?


DrMaddVibe wrote:




Maybe it is implied?!
FuzzNJ
15 years ago

It's not there is it?

Just like anything else...you can't provide the 411.

DrMaddVibe wrote:



Dude, you have provided an argument for me to defend that I haven't made.

That would be a straw man.
DrMaddVibe
15 years ago

Dude, you have provided an argument for me to defend that I haven't made.

That would be a straw man.

FuzzNJ wrote:




Your opinion must hold for the opposite of this statement...

Conservatives think governments don't create jobs and Presidents have little effect on the economy.

FuzzNJ wrote:




That's a problem. I consider myself to be a Conservative. It's not government's place to create a job for ANYONE! That's why I asked for you to point out where in the documents does it say it's government's role to create jobs? A government that gives you a payday is a government that's stealing from somewhere to do it! Yes...STEALING! We're supposed to be operating under a budget...and we're not. There's never been a surplus. Your weakass attempt to show there ever was was blown out of the water as being a projection. It was a vapor on paper that never materialized...ever. Now you're stating that CRA and our own government sat around and were victimized? Nope.

As far as your President statement, I'd buy into that one too but not with the current pRESIDENT. He's a pox. His lobbyists rammed down another round of bailouts, stiffled us with (what should be un-Constitutional!) Obamacare that we cannot even fund, entered us into yet another war and continues to rack the debt with more and more. He does have an effect on the economy. NOBODY is going to invest in America with this guy behind the wheel. They're marking time and will wait this guy out of office. Economists everywhere loathe what he's doing and despite their best efforts to notify the White House that the rocks on the shore are dead up ahead...he's not listening. There are scads of them out there that say he's exactly what I'm saying...he's a pox on America!


Obama is a fine, very impressive person. He really is. Unfortunately, everything that he is doing in economics is exactly wrong. He is a crappy president,” Laffer said.

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=35341 

“I think the White House has this completely wrong,” Moore said. “The Republicans are saying we are not going to let you have the increase in the debt until you get this spending under control.”

“If Republicans fold on this one, which I don’t think they are going to do, but if they blink first . . . that’s what put America at risk of a financial crisis and a potential run on the dollar and a run on U.S. bonds.”

Moore said he approves of Republican House Speaker John Boehner’s call to cut spending by every dollar the debt limit is raised. “That’s a good way of framing the issue,” he said, adding, “The real question is, how much is Obama willing to cut the budget?”


http://www.newsmax.com/InsideCover/obama-debt-ceiling-/2011/06/04/id/398832 


However, economists' main criticism of the Obama team centered on delays in enacting key parts of plans to rescue banks. "They overpromised and underdelivered," said Stephen Stanley of RBS Greenwich Capital. "Secretary Geithner scheduled a big speech and came out with just a vague blueprint. The uncertainty is hanging over everyone's head."

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123671107124286261.html 

I can keep going with this if you REALLY need more examples. The only economists that do approve of Owebama's Presidency are the ones making his policy and attending the State dinners.

http://www.mrctv.org/videos/michelle-malkin-hannity-1 


LOL!!!

Pointed out that time and time again...FAILURE from the Economic front that promised they'd be transparent...look at them. Eat the Hannity/Malkin lovefest...POW! Nailed to the floor with their OpEd from FoxNews. You have to hear about weiner first though!

Strawman?

Please...come to the table with something of real tangible fact..not some "If" "And" or "But" defending this stooge. There is no way in Hell you can post the drivel on here defending this guy when you , Rick and any other water carrier railed (and STILL do!!!!) on GW Bush for 8 years. Oh, he was the worst we heard. He's stupid we heard. Now with Hope and Change in front of our steaming eyes we see the sheer failure and incompetence the magnitude that Keystone Cops episodes were written around! There is not one single thing this guy has done that erases 3 I can think of!

Talk about a strawman...Hope and Change.
Brewha
15 years ago

I have tendonitis in my middle finger from flipping off all the people with Obama bumper stickers.

gringococolo wrote:



Spoken like a true Conservative Republican. Rude and proud of it.
teedubbya
15 years ago
I can no longer find key lime water at any price
Brewha
15 years ago
May life is happier knowing we have a president that can start to undo the almost endless damage that the Bush administration did. And I smile at the turmoil of the typical conservative living their worst nightmare; a black man in the white house!
HockeyDad
15 years ago

May life is happier knowing we have a president that can start to undo the almost endless damage that the Bush administration did. And I smile at the turmoil of the typical conservative living their worst nightmare; a black man in the white house!

Brewha wrote:





When is he planning on starting?
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