fishinguitarman
15 years ago

I have a lot of 1 and 4

FuzzNJ wrote:






3 & 5 for me as well.
borndead1
15 years ago



Now where all the matter came from in the first place, we already discussed that's still an unknown, but they were able to re-create how that matter became a more complex organism without divine intervention.

FuzzNJ wrote:



We didn't really "discuss" it, but OK.

Fuzz...you should become a politician. I'm not saying that to insult you. Honestly. You have a gift.
HockeyDad
15 years ago



Now where all the matter came from in the first place, we already discussed that's still an unknown, but they were able to re-create how that matter became a more complex organism without divine intervention.

FuzzNJ wrote:





Slow down there!

They were able to create RNA by combining the right elements. They made a leap of faith when they stated "and the conditions required are not distinct from what one might imagine took place on the early Earth".


You just made a huge leap of faith and declared it a "more complex organism". You just magically turned it into a living thing!
FuzzNJ
15 years ago

The non-living mud has had plenty of time to produce something else. Our whole evolution chain has been rolling for millions of years and the mud is just taking a day off? Lazy fricking mud......make something else.

You're gonna tell me the only reason the non-living mud made something in the first place is because some disaster caused it to burp something out?

HockeyDad wrote:



No, the mud was bored and was thinking what should I do today? It asked god say, 'what should I do'? So god said, 'let's work on making ****' yada yada, animals, fish, trees, human male, take rib, human female, etc. bah, I'm bored with this story. post over.
FuzzNJ
15 years ago

Slow down there!

They were able to create RNA by combining the right elements. They made a leap of faith when they stated "and the conditions required are not distinct from what one might imagine took place on the early Earth".


You just made a huge leap of faith and declared it a "more complex organism". You just magically turned it into a living thing!

HockeyDad wrote:



Sigh, no I did not. I said in an earlier post, first step in proving it.

Holy crap. You are grasping here.
borndead1
15 years ago

You just magically turned it into a living thing!

HockeyDad wrote:



Will it now be required by law to get vaccinated against HPV? 🤨

EDIT: nevermind...it has to evolve into a human first.
FuzzNJ
15 years ago

We didn't really "discuss" it, but OK.

Fuzz...you should become a politician. I'm not saying that to insult you. Honestly. You have a gift.

borndead1 wrote:



I've f'd too many women and done too many drugs to do that, plus I have very little patience for BS.
HockeyDad
15 years ago

Sigh, no I did not. I said in an earlier post, first step in proving it.

Holy crap. You are grasping here.

FuzzNJ wrote:






RNA is not a more complex organism. It is something that exists in living organisms.
HockeyDad
15 years ago

Will it now be required by law to get vaccinated against HPV? 🤨

borndead1 wrote:




Prolly,, if it is one of them "loose" organisms in Texas!
borndead1
15 years ago

I've f'd too many women and done too many drugs to do that, plus I have very little patience for BS.

FuzzNJ wrote:



Just hire the Clinton Death Squad to eliminate anyone who has dirt on you!

FuzzNJ
15 years ago

RNA is not a more complex organism. It is something that exists in living organisms.

HockeyDad wrote:



I'm sorry, I should have said molecule, and it is more complex than the ingredients they started with.

See? I corrected myself again. I do that when I'm wrong.
FuzzNJ
15 years ago

Just hire the Clinton Death Squad to eliminate anyone who has dirt on you!

borndead1 wrote:



Um, no such thing existed and if one did, not my style.
tailgater
15 years ago

Did you or did you not cut the quote short? Did Darwin say that, as your truncated quote is lead to make you believe, that natural selection is absurd in the highest degree? And does not the rest of the quote contradict that? Is this not the same quote, and the same tactic used for decades by creationists in an attempt to show that Darwin thought natural selection was a hoax?

The answer to all of those questions is yes. That is dishonest.

You also embrace the theory as truth, you have said so yourself. What you think is apparently, that each species was created and then evolves within that species.

For that you would need to do a more in depth study of evolutionary theory, and nothing I can say would be enough to convince you as I am not an expert, nor do I have the ability to explain it as well as the professionals.

Intelligent design is just creationism repackaged and some of the stories like the talking snake removed.

FuzzNJ wrote:




Regarding the quote: I had read it quite a while back and when I found it on google it was in it's form as provided in my post. I wish it had the entire quote because as I later explained it actually supported MY stance regarding the world being flat (he used sun orbiting the earth, but same thing)

But you keep having difficulty regarding evolution vs theory of evolution.
The two are related, but decidedly different if only in scope.
And that is not a minor difference.

Creationism vs Intelligent Design
Yes, the two are similar, but ID removes the religious context and is therefore superior for this discussion.
ID also can be related to unintentional happenstance.

Here's a hypothetical:
Let's say that a meteor hit the earth and deposited small living creatures. And those creatures DID evolve into many of todays living things.
This flies in the face of the single major premise that seperates Darwins theory from Intelligent Design: life from the unliving.
It also dismisses an Intelligent Design explanation, for it was neither intelligent, nor by design.

Sure, it includes a great deal of evolution, so many in the scientific community would say it somehow "proves" they were right. But that is what I mean by "reverse engineering" to fit their preconceived notions.

I'm not debating whether evolution happens. It does.
But anyone who thinks that we know or understand the the answers is fooling themselves. For every hypothetical someone provides, for every concept about creation and the beginning of life or the universe itself, there are millions of other possibilitiest that we haven't thought of yet.

But in the meantime, we've got two main concepts.
And despite my scientific educational background, I have to ask: Who is the bigger hypocrit?
The Creationists who'd like to include thier beliefs and accompanying facts into the discussion?
Or the Dawin/life from the unliving crowd who refuse to accept any opposing viewpoints?

tweoijfoi
15 years ago


My biggest beef with evolution is that it can only explain what happened after the appearance of the mud.

borndead1 wrote:



Okay, so God made the mud. Now where did God come from? If God always existed, why couldn't the mud have always existed?
tweoijfoi
15 years ago
Oh and FuzzNJ, calling people idiots or other insults just makes them stop listening to you. You'll never convince anyone of anything that way. But maybe you don't want to convince anyone of anything, maybe you're just looking for attention. I guess you've succeeded in that case.
FuzzNJ
15 years ago

Regarding the quote: I had read it quite a while back and when I found it on google it was in it's form as provided in my post. I wish it had the entire quote because as I later explained it actually supported MY stance regarding the world being flat (he used sun orbiting the earth, but same thing)

But you keep having difficulty regarding evolution vs theory of evolution.
The two are related, but decidedly different if only in scope.
And that is not a minor difference.

Creationism vs Intelligent Design
Yes, the two are similar, but ID removes the religious context and is therefore superior for this discussion.
ID also can be related to unintentional happenstance.

Here's a hypothetical:
Let's say that a meteor hit the earth and deposited small living creatures. And those creatures DID evolve into many of todays living things.
This flies in the face of the single major premise that seperates Darwins theory from Intelligent Design: life from the unliving.
It also dismisses an Intelligent Design explanation, for it was neither intelligent, nor by design.

Sure, it includes a great deal of evolution, so many in the scientific community would say it somehow "proves" they were right. But that is what I mean by "reverse engineering" to fit their preconceived notions.

I'm not debating whether evolution happens. It does.
But anyone who thinks that we know or understand the the answers is fooling themselves. For every hypothetical someone provides, for every concept about creation and the beginning of life or the universe itself, there are millions of other possibilitiest that we haven't thought of yet.

But in the meantime, we've got two main concepts.
And despite my scientific educational background, I have to ask: Who is the bigger hypocrit?
The Creationists who'd like to include thier beliefs and accompanying facts into the discussion?
Or the Dawin/life from the unliving crowd who refuse to accept any opposing viewpoints?

tailgater wrote:



ID removes the religious context??? How the hell does it do that? It supposes an intelligent creator right there in the damn name for crying out loud. What a crock of crap.

Secondly, Darwin theory is not what is in question here. He is the first to propose, in writing, the ideas that lead to evolutionary science. Over 100 years have passed with volumes and volumes of more knowledge, study and evidence have been written, done and collected. Because of that Darwin has been proven wrong, time and time again.

And once again, please stop bringing up the canard that there is anyone that claims to know everything in the science or reality based world. I've said over and over that is simply not true, not been claimed in any way, at all, ever. There are always other possibilities being considered, tested etc. However, all available evidence that we have at our disposal at this time is pointing to one and only one direction, and this is universally accepted by the scientific community. Is that saying they have 'ALL' the answers? Again, hell no, so please, I'm begging you, don't bring that up again as it is simply not true.

Hypocrite? In this situation? It's a not a question of hypocrisy, it's a question of science vs not-science. Simple as that. If one would like to discuss one of the numerous creation myths it should be done in the context of a religion class, not a science class. Opposing viewpoints are welcome in a science class when they meet the requirements of science. Not hard concepts at all.
FuzzNJ
15 years ago

Oh and FuzzNJ, calling people idiots or other insults just makes them stop listening to you. You'll never convince anyone of anything that way. But maybe you don't want to convince anyone of anything, maybe you're just looking for attention. I guess you've succeeded in that case.

tweoijfoi wrote:



I don't remember doing that, I may have though. Show me where?
tweoijfoi
15 years ago

Thanks for admitting that the sh*t you idiots post is f'ing stupid and makes no sense whatsoever.

"FuzzNJ" wrote:


36: I cleaned it up, idiot. And not a joke. You were banned for it.

"FuzzNJ" wrote:


If not, you are a HUGE idiot, I mean seriously, HUGE.

"FuzzNJ" wrote:


70: Because I wasn't alive at the time, I know nothing about it? Great. So quit talking about Jesus. You idiot.

"FuzzNJ" wrote:



7: lol, family time, idiot boy, family time.

"FuzzNJ" wrote:




Yeah. We hate our government so much we are willing to kill, but say, can we get a lawyer paid for with public money please?

Freakin' idiots.

"FuzzNJ" wrote:




"As near as I can determine you have a momma and poppa who have immigrated, worked their asses off and you detest them;"

Idiot.

"FuzzNJ" wrote:





list goes on and on..
DrMaddVibe
15 years ago

Fuzz

What are your thoughts on the origin of matter?

borndead1 wrote:




Google it.

Sorry if I took your thought Fuzz.
FuzzNJ
15 years ago

list goes on and on..

tweoijfoi wrote:



Oh, thought you meant on this thread.

Yeah, I've done that.

Don't remember the first idiot comment

The second idiot was to the guy who called me a homosexual pedophile (that's how I cleaned it up), and I stand by it, actually he is more than an idiot, but that language is frowned upon here. I made an extremely rude and vulgar post directed at him following that and stand by that one as well.

Don't remember 3, can't give the context, but I didn't call whoever that was an idiot, looks like I said 'if' something.

4 is a Bill Hicks joke, and I think idiot actually replaced something worse.

5, I think, was directed at donutboy, and yes, from all available evidence, he's an idiot.

6 I was calling the militia people who killed someone then asked for government paid lawyers, they also are idiots.

7 Whoever that was, can't remember, told me I hate my parents. He was an idiot.

So yeah, I stand by all those I remember wholeheartedly. I didn't call anyone on this board an idiot for just disagreeing with me or not 'believing' in something. I've been on the receiving end of much worse than that. If people are offended by that after insulting me directly they are wussies.
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