My wifey don't work Wheel. Don't need her to. Am talking about how the middle class is working for wages that are below what they earned in late 70's. Many have lost homes, cars and etc. While the rich buy up the houses for less than a third of what the houses cost 6 years ago. That's okay though, I'm sure they are lazy and don't deserve to own their own homes, or have health insurance etc. To bad you righties don't understand that if one can't make a decent wage, they will be a burden to all at some point.

drywalldog wrote:

I am against long-term welfare. There should be a limit to the number of years any individual can be on it, with a couple exceptions (injured vets for example)

tweoijfoi wrote:

So the harder you work, the richer you are?

FuzzNJ wrote:

No, the more successful you are, the more you owe to those who are less successful.

leonardo wrote:

wrong,,,

This I owe mentality is the problem...
I owe nobody except those I choose to owe..

wheelrite wrote:

Wheel, I know you are against welfare and the like (and I agree it needs more reform, limitations, and to be reduced) but what do you think about the graduated income tax scale? Should there be a flat tax instead?

tweoijfoi wrote:

I'm not against a safey net for those truly in need.After all I'm not a Barbarian.But,perpetual generational welfare has done tremendous harm to the minorities here. Welfare is like narcotics.They are good for sick people until they are healed.After that if use is continued it becomes an addiction.

As far as the Tax code,
I believe that unless one is truly destitute they should pay income tax (skin in the game and all).If all paid then all would pay less.

A Flat might be a solution...


wheel,,

wheelrite wrote:

Cool. I agree about the generational welfare thing... We humans are animals. You take an injured animal and feed it until it's well, then release it. If you wait too long, it becomes dependent and less likely to survive again in the wild. Worse yet is feeding an animal who isn't even injured. Then they just become dependent and helpless--a pet. I don't mean to call just poor people animals 🙂 we're all animals.

As for the tax code, what do you define as "truly destitute"? Below the official poverty level?

tweoijfoi wrote:

Me too!

The questions are, what is a reasonable rate and would that business have been possible without the infrastructure and stability that the tax dollars paid were able to provide. The first is determined by our country's values, as the thread suggests, and the second answer is more than likely not, but how much stability, protection and infrastructure from 'government' is needed for the country so thrive.

Both of these things are what are argued over constantly. And it is often said government is by the people and for the people, and I agree with that wholeheartedly, that's why I don't necessarily hate government, I would rather we make sure those in government understand that the government is us and your control is only temporary.

FuzzNJ wrote:

How naive. a 5% on someone making 15k a year means they can't afford some basic life neccessities. A 5% tax on a multi-million dollar income means he can't afford the gold lining on his car's rims.

tweoijfoi wrote:

Thinking like this is what is wrong with the country.

It is no ones problem if you can't afford life necessities but your own. Under a flat tax, all people are treated equally under the law. Anything else is up to you. No one is responsible for you except you.

Why should someone who worked harder and earns more money be penalized for it? How can you justify it?

J

calavera wrote:

But what if no other jobs exist?

tweoijfoi wrote:

President Obama created millions of green jobs.

HockeyDad wrote:

Joe Biden says they're there.

You can find out all about it on their webpage.

DrMaddVibe wrote:

I don't want my tax dollars going to the Iraq war. Therefore my money is being stolen from me in order to fund a war I do not support.

tweoijfoi wrote:

We seem to be having 2 conversations simultaneously... one is about taxes, the other is about welfare. I am against long-term welfare. There should be a limit to the number of years any individual can be on it, with a couple exceptions (injured vets for example)

However there are tons of people who make under $20k a year and work 40+ hours a day. They work hard but make minimum wage and in many cases can barely pay their bills. In my example I said 5%, but really a flat tax would probably be closer to (or higher than) 20%. Now instead of "barely making it", they are being evicted, or choosing not to eat.

Oh, but it's only fair, right?

tweoijfoi wrote: