elk hunter
15 years ago

You thought it was icky? why? If it's really a decision you shouldn't have had a feeling one way or the other, it would be more of a do I want to be gay or not. You should just as easily decided to be gay.

I knew from very early on I liked girls, and never considered boys as an option. Was a natural thing for me.

FuzzNJ wrote:





LOL!!!!

I was trying to be funny there... You know, little kids use the word icky... LOL

You never considered boys an option Fuzz? Seems pretty closed minded and conservative if you ask me...

OPEN YOUR MIND FUZZ!!!!!! LOL


You still didn't answer my question...


ZRX1200
15 years ago
Name calling is more fun....


Im just glad this thread turned GhEy before page 2!!
FuzzNJ
15 years ago

LOL!!!!

I was trying to be funny there... You know, little kids use the word icky... LOL

You never considered boys an option Fuzz? Seems pretty closed minded and conservative if you ask me...

OPEN YOUR MIND FUZZ!!!!!! LOL


You still didn't answer my question...


elk hunter wrote:



No, I never considered boys at all. Not close minded, just the way I was born.

So it wasn't icky? You are going back and forth here. Homosexuality was biologically possible for you as in you are equally attracted to both and just needed to make a choice? I guess that's fine for you, there are people like that, they consider themselves bi, and if that's what you are, no problem. You don't think everyone experiences things exactly like you do right?

The question of 'special' rights, there are no such things. The example you gave about a job promotion has nothing to do with rights at all. You don't have a right to a job or a promotion. There are laws against discrimination though.
ZRX1200
15 years ago
And groups that make their livings strong arming corporations for not meeting certain levels of pillow biters or other groups......

Some folks call this shaking down, or extortion.
elk hunter
15 years ago

No, I never considered boys at all. Not close minded, just the way I was born.

So it wasn't icky? You are going back and forth here. Homosexuality was biologically possible for you as in you are equally attracted to both and just needed to make a choice? I guess that's fine for you, there are people like that, they consider themselves bi, and if that's what you are, no problem. You don't think everyone experiences things exactly like you do right?

The question of 'special' rights, there are no such things. The example you gave about a job promotion has nothing to do with rights at all. You don't have a right to a job or a promotion. There are laws against discrimination though.

FuzzNJ wrote:



Nice try Fuzz...

You are correct in that I could have chosen to be gay or straight but, I chose to be straight.

I am not at all attracted to men... Nobody has proved there is a homosexual gene, and homosexuality is a choice...

Sorry Fuzz, you are wrong on all accounts...
DrMaddVibe
15 years ago
...AGAIN![whip]

ZRX1200
15 years ago
We'll see Elk, when we meet you may change your mind.....I am a handsome devil.
elk hunter
15 years ago

We'll see Elk, when we meet you may change your mind.....I am a handsome devil.

ZRX1200 wrote:



And apparently, I would be okay with that!!! LOL
ZRX1200
15 years ago
Just lightening the mood a bit.....you seem to be the only one cracking wise so I thought id join!
FuzzNJ
15 years ago

Nice try Fuzz...

You are correct in that I could have chosen to be gay or straight but, I chose to be straight.

I am not at all attracted to men... Nobody has proved there is a homosexual gene, and homosexuality is a choice...

Sorry Fuzz, you are wrong on all accounts...

elk hunter wrote:



You have just proven your entire theory wrong in just a couple sentences here.

You say you could have chosed to be gay, but also say you are not attracted to men.

How can that be?
elk hunter
15 years ago
So... What is someone who is not attracted to either sex?

I have chosen not to do drugs or drink in excess ... Drug addiction/alcohol addiction runs very strong in my family and in society... Am I a drug addict or not?

You are wrong Fuzz...
RICKAMAVEN
15 years ago
fuzz and elk hunter are having a p i s s i n g contest.


elk hunter

"My whole argument is that, there should not be any special treatment or promotion BECAUSE
someone is gay OR straight.... "

i completely agree, but i will add nor should they be denied any rights that the rest of us have."

if you agrree completely with that, it is not necessary to discuss why someone is gay. whether by
genetics or choice, you have accepted their rights under the constitution. that is a responsible
response.
FuzzNJ
15 years ago

So... What is someone who is not attracted to either sex?

I have chosen not to do drugs or drink in excess ... Drug addiction/alcohol addiction runs very strong in my family and in society... Am I a drug addict or not?

You are wrong Fuzz...

elk hunter wrote:



Probably a-sexual.

Drug addiction is equal to sexual attraction how? Are you saying you think you are genetically predisposed to drug addiction? Have you found that you carry a drug-addiction gene that you are fending off?

I know of people who tried to be heterosexual for a long, long time because of their religious upbringing. They were choosing not to be gay by forcing themselves to be with people they were not attracted to. Thankfully most of them are now honest with themselves and are much happier.

Are you saying that you, if you wanted to, could force yourself to live as a gay man and have physical relationships with men should you choose to?

I'm saying I could not. It would just not be who I am as I have no choice as to what gender I am attracted to. Just as a homosexual person would find it almost impossible to do the same thing. With societal pressures there are those that continue to pretend, I'm sure, I know a few. They are either gay and in denial, or a-sexual.
elk hunter
15 years ago

fuzz and elk hunter are having a p i s s i n g contest.



elk hunter

"My whole argument is that, there should not be any special treatment or promotion BECAUSE
someone is gay OR straight.... "

i completely agree, but i will add nor should they be denied any rights that the rest of us have."

if you agrree completely with that, it is not necessary to discuss why someone is gay. whether by
genetics or choice, you have accepted their rights under the constitution. that is a responsible
response.

RICKAMAVEN wrote:



Rick, I agree with that completely!!!


elk hunter
15 years ago



Drug addiction is equal to sexual attraction how? Are you saying you think you are genetically predisposed to drug addiction? Have you found that you carry a drug-addiction gene that you are fending off?

FuzzNJ wrote:



That is what your theory about a homosexual gene is right?

They have not found the homosexual gene right?

You are acting on beliefs Fuzz... Just admit it...

Oh and Rick, Fuzz and I are discussing... Neither are calling names or berating each other... Thank you BTW Fuzz!!!
Nicar
15 years ago

Probably a-sexual.

Drug addiction is equal to sexual attraction how? Are you saying you think you are genetically predisposed to drug addiction? Have you found that you carry a drug-addiction gene that you are fending off?

I know of people who tried to be heterosexual for a long, long time because of their religious upbringing. They were choosing not to be gay by forcing themselves to be with people they were not attracted to. Thankfully most of them are now honest with themselves and are much happier.

Are you saying that you, if you wanted to, could force yourself to live as a gay man and have physical relationships with men should you choose to?

I'm saying I could not. It would just not be who I am as I have no choice as to what gender I am attracted to. Just as a homosexual person would find it almost impossible to do the same thing. With societal pressures there are those that continue to pretend, I'm sure, I know a few. They are either gay and in denial, or a-sexual.

FuzzNJ wrote:




Ok, I should really stop reading this, but you like to deduce someone's opinion on things by a statement and not have the same reasoning apply to you.

Are you genetically attracted to blondes or redheads.. or brunettes... or short people.. or tall people.. or fat.. or skinny people? No! It is a preference on what you "like" what you choose to like.

One you find the genetic gene that shows if you're gay or straight and have no control over... find me the gene that tells people that they like overweight deformed people, rather than supermodels....


FuzzNJ
15 years ago

That is what your theory about a homosexual gene is right?

They have not found the homosexual gene right?

You are acting on beliefs Fuzz... Just admit it...

Oh and Rick, Fuzz and I are discussing... Neither are calling names or berating each other... Thank you BTW Fuzz!!!

elk hunter wrote:



I don't call people names or berate them provided they don't, so it shouldn't be a surprise.

I have never said anything about a gene, that was your thing. I don't know what it is to be honest. Could be brain chemistry, genetics, or more. My guess is it's a combination of factors.

I do know that I did not choose to be straight. There was never a time when I had to stop, think and actually make a decision as who I wanted to be attracted to.

Again, are you saying that you, if you wanted to, could force yourself to live as a gay man and have physical relationships with men should you choose to? Because if it is an actual choice for you, the answer would have to be yes.
FuzzNJ
15 years ago

Ok, I should really stop reading this, but you like to deduce someone's opinion on things by a statement and not have the same reasoning apply to you.

Are you genetically attracted to blondes or redheads.. or brunettes... or short people.. or tall people.. or fat.. or skinny people? No! It is a preference on what you "like" what you choose to like.

One you find the genetic gene that shows if you're gay or straight and have no control over... find me the gene that tells people that they like overweight deformed people, rather than supermodels....


Nicar wrote:



Again, I never said gene. That's Elk's idea of what being born gay or straight has to be attributed to.
Nicar
15 years ago

Again, I never said gene. That's Elk's idea of what being born gay or straight has to be attributed to.

FuzzNJ wrote:



Right, just ready above....

What it is.. is preference.. what one prefers.. what stimulates the senses.. It is my belief that you made a choice, and your choice was, the features of a woman stimulated your senses. You may not have consciously made the choice since you just felt it and never thought about it. Could you prefer someone of the same sex if you wanted to, of course, you would find them to stimulate some of the same senses.
FuzzNJ
15 years ago

Right, just ready above....

What it is.. is preference.. what one prefers.. what stimulates the senses.. It is my belief that you made a choice, and your choice was, the features of a woman stimulated your senses. You may not have consciously made the choice since you just felt it and never thought about it. Could you prefer someone of the same sex if you wanted to, of course, you would find them to stimulate some of the same senses.

Nicar wrote:




How can one make a choice unconciously by just feeling it? That's not a choice, I didn't look at a girl and say Wow, I want that, but maybe that dude over there is just as nice. That's me, perhaps you had a different experience.

Could I physically force myself to have a physical relationship with a man? I suppose if I had to I could force myself, but that wouldn't be a choice I would make willingly. Would you willingly make that choice? I can see no circumstance where I would willingly proceed nor be forced to have a homosexual relationship, as a true choice would have to be. It's not who I am.

And it is right, I never said gene.
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