gringococolo
15 years ago
Asperger syndrome

DrMaddVibe
15 years ago

Interesting the conservatives on the forum seem to interpret the OP in absolute terms, i.e., we are hardwired and have no choice.

Could this be an intolerance of ambiguity? 🤔

Brewha wrote:




Actually...you're wrong with your surmise.

You read into things with a notion of what you want...not what is written there.

Faith...like I said has many definations...you wanted it to mean some religious banter.

Freewill?

Personal responsibility?

Nice try.

Me, I'm not "hardwired". I work for what I have and am always looking for new things to keep my mind busy like hobbies and personal enrichment. I'm not bound by any limitation. I'm free to do what I want, when I want.

There is no preordained plan.

Serpentine. You have to serpentine.
teedubbya
15 years ago
My pencil is big and yellow
Brewha
15 years ago

I think it would be incredibly interesting and could become the first step towards some sort of surgical cure for liberalism.

The possibilities are endless:

"Get Screened for Liberalism Early" public service announcements.

"Liberalism Awareness Month"

"Sarah Palin Liberalism Walk for the Cure"

....and outrage over the fact that Planned Parenthood offers liberalism corrective surgery paid for with taxpayer money!

HockeyDad wrote:



Yes – and a simple procedure to cure liberalism;
Just remove 25% of the brain . . . . .


- Just kidding
Brewha
15 years ago

Actually...you're wrong with your surmise.
You read into things with a notion of what you want...not what is written there.
Faith...like I said has many definations...you wanted it to mean some religious banter.
Freewill?
Personal responsibility?
Nice try.
Me, I'm not "hardwired". I work for what I have and am always looking for new things to keep my mind busy like hobbies and personal enrichment. I'm not bound by any limitation. I'm free to do what I want, when I want.
There is no preordained plan.
Serpentine. You have to serpentine.

DrMaddVibe wrote:



Thanks DMV!
Tell us again how sheep’s bladders may be employed to prevent earth quakes.
FuzzNJ
15 years ago

Would you call that a 'truth'?o:)

Brewha wrote:



There is no truth, as I've already stated, so no.
FuzzNJ
15 years ago


Me, I'm not "hardwired".

DrMaddVibe wrote:



You don't have to think about breathing or making your heart beat do you?


I'm not bound by any limitation. I'm free to do what I want, when I want.

DrMaddVibe wrote:



Really? Can you fly? Pick up a cement truck? Get pregnant?

:-"
DrMaddVibe
15 years ago

You don't have to think about breathing or making your heart beat do you?



Really? Can you fly? Pick up a cement truck? Get pregnant?

:-"

FuzzNJ wrote:




You really are a confused person.

So now we're talking about pure involuntary movements?

Really?

A political lean on the right or left side of the brain is now involuntary?[-x

You missed the whole "Ever change your mind at a restaurant" slip?

Faith?

Freewill?

Hello?:-k

I can tell you with complete certainty that I have voted for Democrats and Republicans...even voted for an Independant.

I've had brain surgery...that must explain why I've voted like that. There's no other way.

You're hardwired to only one belief. I feel so bad for you. Must suck to just only eat vanilla. You don't know what Butterscotch and Chocolate taste like because your brain only tells you you can eat Vanilla.

There...that's really clear now. I fully understand how the "liberal" mind works. Please, correct me if I'm wrong. Wouldn't be the first time...won't be the last either!
chiefburg
15 years ago
First, I didn't read the whole thread.....didn't have enough time and I've been busy lately. But, I like the comments and throught processes I did read.

I think it's quite logical that the brain DNA and/or makeup can influence thoughts/ideas/political leanings/etc. We know that chemicals the brains produces (or fails to produce) can profoundly affect how we feel, how we act, and plays a large part of controlling our emotions. This is proven - just look at anyone who suffers from mental illness. Those people, when given the right chemicals (medically) drastically alter their ideas and thought patterns.

Also, genetics do play a role. I have read studies where twins were separated at birth and raised by different families hundreds to thousands of miles apart. There are many documented cases where they were reunited 30+ years later and it was incredible how much alike they were, how they spent their money, their beliefs, and even the type of person they married (along with the number of children).
rfenst
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  • Herf-A-Holic Topic Starter
15 years ago

FREEWILL IS DEAD OUTRAGE!!!

DrMaddVibe wrote:



Apparently, you lacked free will to spell correctly when you posted!!! LOL!


Anyhow, I have always thought of the concept of "free will" in terms of philosophies such as whether there is an omnipotent god, determinism, deistical control- and the like.

If you want to argue the existence of absolute free will in a non-dietiacayal concept, such that neurobiological or biological matters don't exist or aren't part of a decision or human event, then, please start by merely consciously, mentally cutting off the blood supply to your extremities; your heart or even your brain; or making yourself taller/shorter; male/female; big -footed/little footed; etc.

You can't. Not everything we do or that happens is the product of pure rational thought.


DrMaddVibe
15 years ago

Apparently, you lacked free will to spell correctly when you posted!!! LOL!


Anyhow, I have always thought of the concept of "free will" in terms of philosophies such as whether there is an omnipotent god, determinism, deistical control- and the like.

If you want to argue the existence of absolute free will in a non-dietiacayal concept, such that neurobiological or biological matters don't exist or aren't part of a decision or human event, then, please start by merely consciously, mentally cutting off the blood supply to your extremities; your heart or even your brain; or making yourself taller/shorter; male/female; big -footed/little footed; etc.

You can't. Not everything we do or that happens is the product of pure rational thought.


rfenst wrote:




OH NOES...IT'S THE GRAMMA POPO!!!


COMIN' TO GIT ME!!!

Really?

Merriam-Webster...they have this thing called a Dictionary. Wonderful book.

free·will adj
Definition of FREEWILL
voluntary, spontaneous

Examples of FREEWILL
a freewill confession of guilt made by the suspect during police interrogation
our office staff made a freewill offering for UNESCO

Then again...who likes just one source?

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/freewill 
HockeyDad
15 years ago
My genetics refuse to let me spell it as "freewill".
DrMaddVibe
15 years ago

My genetics refuse to let me spell it as "freewill".

HockeyDad wrote:




I'm unhindered!
Brewha
15 years ago
Rfenst,
With so many of the posters running off pie-eyed on tangents and talking points, I’m not so sure your logic is . . . fully understood. Hell, in light of the assertion that there is no truth, even I am struggling with what rational to present . . . .

Back to the OP – While it does not put conservatism in a favorable light, it does stand to reason. I also suspect that liberals have some short comings in their reasoning, and maybe brain lobes as well.

BTW;
From the Los Angeles Times:
September 10, 2007

Exploring the neurobiology of politics, scientists have found that liberals tolerate ambiguity and conflict better than conservatives because of how their brains work.

In a simple experiment reported to day in the journal Nature Neuroscience, scientists at New York University and UCLA show that political orientation is related to differences in how the brain processes information.

Previous psychological studies have found that conservatives tend to be more structured and persistent in their judgments whereas liberals are more open to new experiences. The latest study found those traits are not confined to political situations but also influence everyday decisions.

The results show "there are two cognitive styles -- a liberal style and a conservative style," said UCLA neurologist Dr. Marco Iacoboni, who was not connected to the latest research.
teedubbya
15 years ago
HockeyDad
15 years ago

Hell, in light of the assertion that there is no truth, even I am struggling with what rational to present . . . .

Brewha wrote:





Just make something up. That is what I would do.

If a bear s%$ts in the woods, can trees think it smells awful?
HockeyDad
15 years ago


Back to the OP – While it does not put conservatism in a favorable light, it does stand to reason. I also suspect that liberals have some short comings in their reasoning, and maybe brain lobes as well.

Brewha wrote:




That is why we need to find the cure. Ima gonna put you down as a participant in the "Cure Liberalism 5K/10K" run. We need you to get $200 in sponsors. T-shirts will be provided to the entrants.
chiefburg
15 years ago

Rfenst,
With so many of the posters running off pie-eyed on tangents and talking points, I’m not so sure your logic is . . . fully understood. Hell, in light of the assertion that there is no truth, even I am struggling with what rational to present . . . .

Back to the OP – While it does not put conservatism in a favorable light, it does stand to reason. I also suspect that liberals have some short comings in their reasoning, and maybe brain lobes as well.

BTW;
From the Los Angeles Times:
September 10, 2007

Exploring the neurobiology of politics, scientists have found that liberals tolerate ambiguity and conflict better than conservatives because of how their brains work.

In a simple experiment reported to day in the journal Nature Neuroscience, scientists at New York University and UCLA show that political orientation is related to differences in how the brain processes information.

Previous psychological studies have found that conservatives tend to be more structured and persistent in their judgments whereas liberals are more open to new experiences. The latest study found those traits are not confined to political situations but also influence everyday decisions.

The results show "there are two cognitive styles -- a liberal style and a conservative style," said UCLA neurologist Dr. Marco Iacoboni, who was not connected to the latest research.

Brewha wrote:


I do agree with the basics - liberal type thinking (not related to politics) and more conservative type thinking (again, this isn't political). Some people tend to be more tolerant and open than others. Conversely, others may remain reserved and very narrow in their thinking. While this may play into the political field, there is no such thing as a "political" gene that makes someone a Democrat or Rebupican or Libertarian.........I find that part of the article misleading.

Is the liberal mind better than the conservative mind? Or, the conservative mind better than the liberal? (If you chose one over the other, you're wrong. One isn't any better or worse than the other in their own minds. The best you could call them is "different" and not label them any other way.)
rfenst
  • rfenst
  • Herf-A-Holic Topic Starter
15 years ago

OH NOES...IT'S THE GRAMMA POPO!!!


COMIN' TO GIT ME!!!

Really?

Merriam-Webster...they have this thing called a Dictionary. Wonderful book.

free·will adj
Definition of FREEWILL
voluntary, spontaneous

Examples of FREEWILL
a freewill confession of guilt made by the suspect during police interrogation
our office staff made a freewill offering for UNESCO

Then again...who likes just one source?

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/freewill 

DrMaddVibe wrote:




Well, at least I learned a new word for Scrabble!
rfenst
  • rfenst
  • Herf-A-Holic Topic Starter
15 years ago
Yo!

Look at the title again. Different parts of the brain in "conservatives" and "liberals" indicate leaning. It does not say that genetics causes one's leanings.

There just is no place like the CBid Political Forum to get off track and into a totally different direction!

Like I didn't know that would happen...
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