Gene363
Wednesday, July 6, 2011 7:18:48 PM

Because they won? Or, because they finally got to take a deep breath and think about the child?

rfenst wrote:

"Yes" because a heinous crime is going unpunished and they had a hand in that outcome.

I did not see a statement from the prosecutor team, so I can't comment on their expression, but the same angst applies to theml.

Gene363
Wednesday, July 6, 2011 7:22:58 PM

State sponsored execution does nothing but satisfy the blood lust of the masses.It's wrong , sinful and not a deterrent.

wheelrite wrote:

So if you come across a rabid dog you would make friends.

wheelrite
Wednesday, July 6, 2011 7:42:42 PM

So if you come across a rabid dog you would make friends.

Gene363 wrote:

Now you're being ridiculous..

HockeyDad
Wednesday, July 6, 2011 8:26:43 PM
The problem with this case was:

We don't know how Kaylee died.

We don't know when she died.

We don't know where she died.

We don't know if she was murdered.

We jumped to the conclusion that because the mom didn't report it, and nobody has come forward and admitted to it, the mom must have murdered her.

It just didn't work and now people are outraged.

(We have not tried Nancy Grace for the crime so there is still hope)

wheelrite
Wednesday, July 6, 2011 8:37:27 PM

The problem with this case was:

We don't know how Kaylee died.

We don't know when she died.

We don't know where she died.

We don't know if she was murdered.

We jumped to the conclusion that because the mom didn't report it, and nobody has come forward and admitted to it, the mom must have murdered her.

It just didn't work and now people are outraged.

(We have not tried Nancy Grace for the crime so there is still hope)

HockeyDad wrote:

It's obvious to the world that all the bad Lawyers are in Florida.

Is it because it doesn't pay well ?

HockeyDad
Wednesday, July 6, 2011 8:42:49 PM

It's obvious to the world that all the bad Lawyers are in Florida.

Is it because it doesn't pay well ?

wheelrite wrote:

It is a minimum wage job.

wheelrite
Wednesday, July 6, 2011 8:54:48 PM

It is a minimum wage job.

HockeyDad wrote:

Yeah,,,

The average pay for a Lawyer in Tampa is $72k...

http://www.payscale.com/research/US/Bar_Association=Florida_Bar_Association/Salary/by_City 

They need to run faster after the ambulances...

wheel,

HockeyDad
Wednesday, July 6, 2011 9:18:17 PM
...but regardless of pay and efficiency in pursuing ambulances, that still doesn't create evidence in a murder case.
wheelrite
Wednesday, July 6, 2011 9:21:14 PM

...but regardless of pay and efficiency in pursuing ambulances, that still doesn't create evidence in a murder case.

HockeyDad wrote:

That's my point...

If it paid better it would attract better people that can prosecute a murder case competently or fix a taffic ticket in a timely fashion...

HockeyDad
Wednesday, July 6, 2011 9:23:26 PM

That's my point...

If it paid better it would attract better people that can prosecute a murder case competently or fix a taffic ticket in a timely fashion...

wheelrite wrote:

You could pay that lawyer a million dollars and it wouldn't change what he had to work with for the case. Don't you watch Law & Order?

wheelrite
Wednesday, July 6, 2011 9:27:29 PM

You could pay that lawyer a million dollars and it wouldn't change what he had to work with for the case. Don't you watch Law & Order?

HockeyDad wrote:

Not since that hottie Angie Harmon was on there,,,

Whistlebritches
Wednesday, July 6, 2011 10:31:47 PM

Not since that hottie Angie Harmon was on there,,,

wheelrite wrote:

I always thought Carey Lowell was hotter.

Ron

wheelrite
Wednesday, July 6, 2011 10:40:07 PM

I always thought Carey Lowell was hotter.

Ron

Whistlebritches wrote:

Ron,,

You are soooooo wrong,,,

Whistlebritches
Wednesday, July 6, 2011 11:10:49 PM

Ron,,

You are soooooo wrong,,,

wheelrite wrote:

Well at 5'10" I can definately see why you would have a problem with her...........MIDGET

She did disappoint me when she hooked up with Richard Gere.....now that dude is OUT THERE............

Ron

wheelrite
Wednesday, July 6, 2011 11:14:19 PM

You could pay that lawyer a million dollars and it wouldn't change what he had to work with for the case. Don't you watch Law & Order?

HockeyDad wrote:

well,,

what about the traffic ticket thing ?

Whistlebritches
Wednesday, July 6, 2011 11:22:40 PM
What no retort.....You're falling down on the job SHORTY........

Nighty-nite

Ron

wheelrite
Wednesday, July 6, 2011 11:29:21 PM

Well at 5'10" I can definately see why you would have a problem with her...........MIDGET

She did disappoint me when she hooked up with Richard Gere.....now that dude is OUT THERE............

Ron

Whistlebritches wrote:

Ha !

we're actually watching a movie right now with Richard Gere in it,,

richokeeffe
Thursday, July 7, 2011 12:57:25 AM
At the risk of fanning the flames here, I am very troubled about the rush for the public to convict her.

Yes, the crime was awful.

AND -

we have no idea what the jury actually heard. we do not know what pieces of evidence in the news were admissible in court or not.

we do not know what evidence was and was not given to the jury

we do not know what the jury was instructed to not consider

we do not know all of the witnesses who testified, what exactly they said, how believable they were, or how vague the details were.

It is easy for the media to paint a picture that the public latches onto as true that fails in the fact arena

It is the job of the prosecution to convince the jury - beyond a reasonable doubt - that she committed the crime. They failed in that task

I was on a jury today (much lesser crime) where all of us thought that it was conceivable that the guy did do what he was accused of doing. A few of us thought he probably did it. And it was nowhere near proven that he did. So we ruled not guilty. In the newspapers this would probably come out as the guy got away with one.

I struggle with media trials. I really do.

Gene363
Thursday, July 7, 2011 7:05:36 PM

At the risk of fanning the flames here, I am very troubled about the rush for the public to convict her.

Yes, the crime was awful.

AND -

we have no idea what the jury actually heard. we do not know what pieces of evidence in the news were admissible in court or not.

we do not know what evidence was and was not given to the jury

we do not know what the jury was instructed to not consider

we do not know all of the witnesses who testified, what exactly they said, how believable they were, or how vague the details were.

It is easy for the media to paint a picture that the public latches onto as true that fails in the fact arena

It is the job of the prosecution to convince the jury - beyond a reasonable doubt - that she committed the crime. They failed in that task

I was on a jury today (much lesser crime) where all of us thought that it was conceivable that the guy did do what he was accused of doing. A few of us thought he probably did it. And it was nowhere near proven that he did. So we ruled not guilty. In the newspapers this would probably come out as the guy got away with one.

I struggle with media trials. I really do.

richokeeffe wrote:

He did get away, but it was because the state could not or would not find/present/explain evidence of his guilt. You and your fellow jurors did your job.