HockeyDad
14 years ago
There is a channel: the US Dept of Education, 50 State Dept of Education, and thousands of actual school districts.
frankj1
14 years ago

Well Frank,

we don't have unions down here. All that I have heard about them are not really for the best so to speak. Don;t get me wrong, the 80K a year those teachers make up there on average wouldn't be bad at all, but like I said, I'm not in it for the money, just the kids. We don't have to have a masters here, but I have been thinking about getting mine. My old man tells me almost every time I talk to him about work "You mine as well be getting the maximum amount of money for that hour of work." It's starting to sink in I guess, LOL. One teacher's salary, and my wife staying home with our little one with no job kinda hurts sometimes, but life is good, and God blesses!

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McBryde wrote:


My wife's take home pay went down for a period of 3 consecutive years recently due to her share of health insurance coverage rising faster than her 3% raise spread over 3 years. Her union doesn't do wonderous things for her but also does not kill our taxpayers with insane demands. Our town has a bright young exec. sec. who has successfully negotiated with the police and firemen unions to tie pay in with revenue. All sides were reasonable and kept the financial health of the town up front at all times. Can't wait for him to deal with the teachers.
HockeyDad
14 years ago

My wife's take home pay went down for a period of 3 consecutive years recently due to her share of health insurance coverage rising faster than her 3% raise spread over 3 years.

frankj1 wrote:





A lot of people in the private sector have the exact same story....well....without the raise part.
wheelrite
14 years ago
Teachers should work 12 months a year.

Like the rest of us,,,
FuzzNJ
14 years ago

It's a shame but I'm not surprised. The idiocy of "No Child Left Behind" is coming home to roost. Federal school funding is based on the test scores of ALL children. They have mentally handicapped children taking tests at the same grade level as their able minded peers. Teachers need to be able to TEACH. Not just study for a test. Kids are not being taught to think.......just pass tests in any way they can. If it involves cheating...so be it. This isn't a "Bush" problem....it's an American problem. The Obama administration has continued this nonsense. They need to get the "Experts" out of the schools and let the REAL experts do their job. Also...get rid of the teacher's unions. The cream will rise to the top and those teachers can and should be paid handsomely. The rest can go home.

JadeRose wrote:




Jade

I stand and =d> to 98% of that. The 2% can be debated at another time.

Bravo
FuzzNJ
14 years ago

This quote is probably the one that pisses me off as a teacher the most. You have no inclination of what I or any teacher goes through every day in our job, so you post crap like this for what? To try to demean the educators of the world? Are you pissed that we get off 3 months during the summer? Or that we get paid so little? Or that we work roughly 60 hours with all of our planning and after school work a week and don't get paid for overtime? Big freaking deal! That is all part of our job. We are there not for the money, but for the kids! We enjo working with the students, watching them enjoy learning, making a safe environment for them away from their usually crappy home environments.

People that say this were probably hurt in the education system growing up, by being picked on or something, or they are pissed off at the educational system because they didn't have something go right with their kids. Remember, not all teachers are like that. Some of us work hard at our jobs, and hold our students accountable to a higher standard than others. Keep those teachers in mind the next time you say this crap!

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McBryde wrote:



Keep up the good work and don't back down to the bullies. Teachers are the new easy target.
FuzzNJ
14 years ago

Teachers should work 12 months a year.

Like the rest of us,,,

wheelrite wrote:



Kids should have a longer school year not because teachers should work longer, but because it helps students learn faster, retain knowledge better and will help them in the long run.
ZRX1200
14 years ago
Like other countries ^?
wheelrite
14 years ago

Like other countries ^?

ZRX1200 wrote:



No,,

In other countries they teach math ,science ,history and other practical subjects.Not, liberal propaganda..
FuzzNJ
14 years ago

Like other countries ^?

ZRX1200 wrote:



Other countries have longer school years, so kind of, but no, like us. We should be pissed off we're so far behind.
ZRX1200
14 years ago
Yes too many public schools.
FuzzNJ
14 years ago

Yes too many public schools.

ZRX1200 wrote:



Disagree.
frankj1
14 years ago

A lot of people in the private sector have the exact same story....well....without the raise part.

HockeyDad wrote:


Very true, I wasn't complaining. Just a counterpoint to the uninfomed opinions about how cushy teachers have it. I can't speak for all districts/states but even the health insurance they receive in retirement is funded by the teachers during their active years. Unfortunately many of these accounts have been mismanaged by state government. I'm pretty sure (not 100% sure) that even the folks in the infamous Wisconsin debacle are not covered by taxpayers unless they outlive the projected life expectancy...despite what their Governor was putting out there.
frankj1
14 years ago

Teachers should work 12 months a year.

Like the rest of us,,,

wheelrite wrote:


If you add up just the hours school is open and think that is the total they work...you are grossly uninformed. Lots of "the rest of us" punching in and out for 8 hour shifts aren't giving anywhere near 8 hours of quality effort. Teachers are on stage the whole shift, and then do just about a second shift on their own time if they are real professionals.

Maybe I just happen to have two of the few in my immediate family, but I suspect they are not the exceptions, though they are exceptional educators.
donutboy2000
14 years ago
You get what you pay for.
frankj1
14 years ago

You get what you pay for.

donutboy2000 wrote:


unless you paid for a Gurkha.
McBryde
14 years ago

Other countries have longer school years, so kind of, but no, like us. We should be pissed off we're so far behind.

FuzzNJ wrote:



We are pissed off we are so far behind. The problem is that most other countries have cut offs and weed outs. Our country is one that thinks that everyone can learn at the same level, no questions asked. The mentally handicapped kid can learn just as well and to the same standard as the honor student can, it is just the teachers fault if they can't! That is "No child left behind"!

Other countries, like China, have cuts in their education system. About 6th grade, they have a weed out of the kids not making it, they go to the factories and work for the rest of their lives making toys and painting your kids toys with lead based paint. Another cut at 9th grade, those go to train to do medial technical jobs like motor pool and taxi driving and other stuff like that that endanger your life a little more. Another cut at 12th grade for the ones to run the factories and manage the people working, and the rest, the cream of the crop, go to college to get good paying jobs.

Whenever you figure out how to solve that system here, you can run the country, until then, just sit back and watch our country go to crap and keep drinking the coolaid they are giving you!

E
rwilly
14 years ago

We are pissed off we are so far behind. The problem is that most other countries have cut offs and weed outs. Our country is one that thinks that everyone can learn at the same level, no questions asked. The mentally handicapped kid can learn just as well and to the same standard as the honor student can, it is just the teachers fault if they can't! That is "No child left behind"!

Other countries, like China, have cuts in their education system. About 6th grade, they have a weed out of the kids not making it, they go to the factories and work for the rest of their lives making toys and painting your kids toys with lead based paint. Another cut at 9th grade, those go to train to do medial technical jobs like motor pool and taxi driving and other stuff like that that endanger your life a little more. Another cut at 12th grade for the ones to run the factories and manage the people working, and the rest, the cream of the crop, go to college to get good paying jobs.

Whenever you figure out how to solve that system here, you can run the country, until then, just sit back and watch our country go to crap and keep drinking the coolaid they are giving you!

E

McBryde wrote:




Great points on how other countries (not just China) track their students, weed them out at an early age, and then only compare their best and brightest to our kids who are on IEP, are BD, have ADHD, have a 504, and are LD, as well as the family being hotlined to DFS... Yes, many of the acronyms and hoops we deal with in the US because everyone is supposed to be able to succeed.

Kids who can't pass 8th grade science class think they can be a doctor. That's all fine and dandy, but not reality. That doesn't make them any less of a person, be we need to get a bit more realistic.

Everyone is some part of the problem - parents, students, administration, and teachers.
FuzzNJ
14 years ago

We are pissed off we are so far behind. The problem is that most other countries have cut offs and weed outs. Our country is one that thinks that everyone can learn at the same level, no questions asked. The mentally handicapped kid can learn just as well and to the same standard as the honor student can, it is just the teachers fault if they can't! That is "No child left behind"!

Other countries, like China, have cuts in their education system. About 6th grade, they have a weed out of the kids not making it, they go to the factories and work for the rest of their lives making toys and painting your kids toys with lead based paint. Another cut at 9th grade, those go to train to do medial technical jobs like motor pool and taxi driving and other stuff like that that endanger your life a little more. Another cut at 12th grade for the ones to run the factories and manage the people working, and the rest, the cream of the crop, go to college to get good paying jobs.

Whenever you figure out how to solve that system here, you can run the country, until then, just sit back and watch our country go to crap and keep drinking the coolaid they are giving you!

E

McBryde wrote:



We've discussed these issues here before. I'm all for an apprentice type system for those not wanting to go to college, or even those who aren't academically ready. I'm most familiar with the education system in Germany and they have had this type of program for a long, long time. Their manufacturing base is super strong, and their education system ranks above us in all ways. Plus their economy is doing much better than us as well.

I agree with your standardized test scenario, and I've brought that point up myself here. No child left behind is a failure and was from day one.
ZRX1200
14 years ago
Damn Ted Kennedy to hell.
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