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HockeyDad
Herf-A-Holic

14 years ago

#21

Well....there's that plus it is the correct religion.

DrafterX
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14 years ago

#22

😂

Brewha
Herf-A-Holic

14 years ago

#23

Well....there's that plus it is the correct religion.

HockeyDad wrote:

Thus Spoke Zarathustra

DrafterX
Herf-A-Holic

14 years ago

#24

who dat..?? 😕

Brewha
Herf-A-Holic

14 years ago

#25

Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain . . . . .

RICKAMAVEN
Herf-A-Holic

14 years ago

#26

what do you all expect. it's georgia. they drool and drawl when they speak.

they elected newt, because he was a straight arrow, family man.

i'd like to hear about mississippi.

HockeyDad
Herf-A-Holic

14 years ago

#27

who dat..?? 😕

DrafterX wrote:

That was CROS' stage name when he was on Broadway.

Brewha
Herf-A-Holic

14 years ago

#28

Allow me;

“Poor CROS”

You’re welcome.

DrafterX
Herf-A-Holic

14 years ago

#29

ya.... poor CROS.... 😞

McBryde
Connoisseur

14 years ago

#30

It's a shame but I'm not surprised. The idiocy of "No Child Left Behind" is coming home to roost. Federal school funding is based on the test scores of ALL children. They have mentally handicapped children taking tests at the same grade level as their able minded peers. Teachers need to be able to TEACH. Not just study for a test. Kids are not being taught to think.......just pass tests in any way they can. If it involves cheating...so be it. This isn't a "Bush" problem....it's an American problem. The Obama administration has continued this nonsense. They need to get the "Experts" out of the schools and let the REAL experts do their job. Also...get rid of the teacher's unions. The cream will rise to the top and those teachers can and should be paid handsomely. The rest can go home.

JadeRose wrote:

I agree 100%, and I am a teacher. The problems with no child left behind are endless. Raising the bar each year to make it where the students are all going to be so called "proficient" in literacy and math are stupid. Don't get me wrong, we need some sort of something like this, but government takeover of schools when this does not happen will just end up in ALL schools run by the government in the next 10 years if something doesn't change. Having every student, ie. handicapped, mentally handicapped, mentally retarded, ones that are being raped at home the morning before the test, ones that are "sleeping" in the back of a car the night before, ones that don't care about their grades, ones that go to sleep when the test starts and don't answer anything on the test, all have to be proficient on this test, with the rest of America as the standard.

Sounds easy to me, everyone should be able to do that! [sarcasm]

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McBryde
Connoisseur

14 years ago

#31

Do teachers have to pass one of these kinds of tests every year..?? 😕

on another note I've worked at a major Hotel and seen the so called techer's conferences.... 😟

DrafterX wrote:

The test that they are talking about is a test that measures the students proficiency of literacy and math at grade level. The amount of students in your school district that have to pass the test is being raised in % every year by the department of education. I don't remember the year to be exact, but they have it raising to 100% proficient. If the school does not meet these percentages, the school gos into school improvement. After so many years of school improvement, the school is put on school improvement plans, and greatly interveined in by the state, the school is taken over by the state department of education and run by them if the scores don't come up after the improvement plan.

Teachers have to by law, get 60 hours of professional development per year. That is what these teaching conferences are for.

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McBryde
Connoisseur

14 years ago

#32

Those that can't do, teach.

herfidore wrote:

This quote is probably the one that pisses me off as a teacher the most. You have no inclination of what I or any teacher goes through every day in our job, so you post crap like this for what? To try to demean the educators of the world? Are you pissed that we get off 3 months during the summer? Or that we get paid so little? Or that we work roughly 60 hours with all of our planning and after school work a week and don't get paid for overtime? Big freaking deal! That is all part of our job. We are there not for the money, but for the kids! We enjo working with the students, watching them enjoy learning, making a safe environment for them away from their usually crappy home environments.

People that say this were probably hurt in the education system growing up, by being picked on or something, or they are pissed off at the educational system because they didn't have something go right with their kids. Remember, not all teachers are like that. Some of us work hard at our jobs, and hold our students accountable to a higher standard than others. Keep those teachers in mind the next time you say this crap!

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DrafterX
Herf-A-Holic

14 years ago

#33

Those that can't do, teach.

herfidore wrote:

I always related that quote to more of a trade school type of teacher myself..... 😟

Cooper excluded of course... 🤦

Edited by user 14 years ago | Reason: Not specified

HockeyDad
Herf-A-Holic

14 years ago

#34

People that say this were probably hurt in the education system growing up, by being picked on or something, or they are pissed off at the educational system because they didn't have something go right with their kids. Remember, not all teachers are like that. Some of us work hard at our jobs, and hold our students accountable to a higher standard than others. Keep those teachers in mind the next time you say this crap!

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McBryde wrote:

Either that or they've just encountered a lot of crappy teachers.

frankj1
Herf-A-Holic

14 years ago

#35

McBryde wrote:

Standing ovation.

Thank you for trying to teach the children of folks that have not "stepped into the ring" in 30 to 40 years.
Unfunded mandates (No Child Left Behing eg), three-job-holding parents with little English at home, parents that expect teachers to set limits on their kids who have not learned respect by age 6 (nice job parents!), main-streamed students that our current readers never saw in their classrooms decades ago because the "short bus" delivered them to the rear of the building, way more kids per teacher than ever, untold hours of planning (my wife puts in 3 to 4 hours per night AFTER work, lots of hours on weekends, reports get written on vacations and she's in SPED!)...why bother trying to explain how hard it is to educate in the modern classroom when this is the attitude at home? Ya think your offspring don't hear the disrespect you are spouting?? My father would have smacked me if I acted like that in school.

Learning difficulties have been identified and teaching methods have been updated to such a degree that today's classroom teacher can not teach using one method and expect all the kids to get it. Years ago, those that fell behind were "stupid" Today they have a chance for greatness. We now know they were not stupid, they learn in a different way.

Those that can't teach nor be taught, criticize.

McBryde
Connoisseur

14 years ago

#36

Those that can't teach nor be taught, criticize.

frankj1 wrote:

I love it, and I agree with you. Your wife is a saint dealing with SPED. I mine as well though, I had a class with 14 of my 27 students in it SPED this year as a regular ed teacher. Please tell me why I can have 14 when a SPED teacher by law can only have 9? Makes a heck of a lot of sense to me!

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frankj1
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14 years ago

#37

McBryde wrote:

...and individual lesson plans for all too I bet. Love to see some of the critics prepare for your typical day, they'd be worshipping you and picketing to increase your pay.

Of course there are dogs in the union, but by and large people enter the profession to make a difference, not to get rich, but they shouldn't be expected to take a vow of poverty either. Many burn out or become disillusioned, some cave in to the relentless white noise from uninformed...many from zero supoprt in the child's home. "hey teacher, just get the stuff in the kids' heads" like it can be done without the home base support.

I don't know about conferences in other states or hotels, but my wife (and daughter, english teacher 11th grade) have professional development hours mandated. In Massachusetts, one must either have a masters or be in the process of earning one in a stipulated time frame to teach in public schools. Not many slackers rise to that challenge..or that expense!

McBryde
Connoisseur

14 years ago

#38

Well Frank,

we don't have unions down here. All that I have heard about them are not really for the best so to speak. Don;t get me wrong, the 80K a year those teachers make up there on average wouldn't be bad at all, but like I said, I'm not in it for the money, just the kids. We don't have to have a masters here, but I have been thinking about getting mine. My old man tells me almost every time I talk to him about work "You mine as well be getting the maximum amount of money for that hour of work." It's starting to sink in I guess, LOL. One teacher's salary, and my wife staying home with our little one with no job kinda hurts sometimes, but life is good, and God blesses!

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HockeyDad
Herf-A-Holic

14 years ago

#39

I think we all can agree that we need to raise revenue so we can pay more for teachers and that the Bush tax cuts should be repealed for everyone and new tax increases should be instituted so that we can pay our fair share.

McBryde
Connoisseur

14 years ago

#40

There is no need to raise taxes just to raise taxes though so we can say that we will pay people more. There has to be a channel for that funding to get to where it needs to go. The problems we have now is that there are too many hands in the pot that don't need to be there. There has to be a plan in action to dump those funds into instead of things being able to be earmarked for different crap. For example, money from the state for the teachers that was shelled out a couple of years ago that went to our school was shuffled and shuffled and shuffled until it was a new roof on our middle school. Teachers only saw a $300 / year increase in pay. The roof was $1 million. There has to be rules aet on that money and what it can be used for. If not, there is no use in paying more taxes!

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