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It is how the Obama administration chose to deal with the "enhanced interrogation" & "GITMO" issues they hit the Bush administration over the head with. With drone strikes nobody can say they tortured them. Course you don't gain any info they might have told you about other terror plots.

rfenst
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14 years ago

#43

Is anyone else seriously disturbed about the assassination of Anwar-al Awlaki? He is a United States citizen who was Living in Yemen. The President deemed him a radical muslim cleric and an enemy of the state and killed him via unmanned drones in Yemen.

Awlaki didn't kill anyone, he wasn't even a terrorist. He promoted jihad against the U.S. but technically never hurt anyone. He had no trial there was no due process, Obama was judge juror and executioner.

How does everyone feel about the President murdering U.S. citizens no matter who they are in foreign nations far from the battlefield? Another unnamed U.S. citizen was killed with him too.

ShiftyMac wrote:

I haven't read this thread, but the Fifth Amendment concerns the right to be silent when questioned. That is not the issue here.

If there is law under the War Powers Act or precedent that supports killing the guy under the particular circumstances, then I have no problem with it. Due process is always a worthy goal, but isn't always possible in every single scenario, particularly those involving war or terrorism.

teedubbya
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14 years ago

#44

The problem is the war on terrorism is virtually undefineable and will be infinite. We are fighting the boogieman and it is just a matter of who defines who the boogieman is. As long as a person is deemed bad by ???? then its ok to off them and figure it out later.

I am concerned with how willing folks seem to be to go along with the end justifies the means mentality Not just this instance but the Saddam Hussein was mean so all is ok crowd fits here too. As long as we can define something as bad or a problem then that allows us to absolve ourselves of anything we do as appropriate or a solution. Again, the trick is controlling the definition of "problem" then we can do whatever we want.

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DrafterX
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14 years ago

#45

Bassard Boogieman!!!!! [ram27bat]

Brewha
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14 years ago

#46

Well, it’s only murder if we call it murder. Capital punishment is not murder, but injecting someone with poison without a license is murder.

The ambiguity of this situation underscores that there are no moral absolutes. The truth is mutable. And in the end, we can do whatever we can rationalize and sell to society as the ‘right thing to do’. You just have to be in power – or better yet; tell them it’s God’s will . . . .

BTW, bread and circuses was replaced with TV and Govment cheese.

teedubbya
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14 years ago

#47

All in favor of declaring Brewha today's bogie man say eye eye eye (ala crazy train)

DrafterX
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14 years ago

#48

What you lookin' at? You all a bunch of ****' ****. You know why? You don't have the guts to be what you wanna be? You need people like me. You need people like me so you can point your ****' fingers and say, "That's the bad guy." So... what that make you? Good? You're not good. You just know how to hide, how to lie. Me, I don't have that problem. Me, I always tell the truth. Even when I lie. So say good night to the bad guy! Come on. The last time you gonna see a bad guy like this again, let me tell you. Come on. Make way for the bad guy. There's a bad guy comin' through! Better get outta his way!

Brewha wrote:

😲

Brewha
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14 years ago

#49

Shucks –

I have been found out . . . .

rfenst
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14 years ago

#50

I find it to be a horrific precedent. I've heard arguments that the war powers act of 2001 gives him the authority to do this but he is a US citizen.

I don't like it.

And after the Bin Laden incident I doubt that this was even him. Everytine poll numbers go down they drag out a dead terrorist to keep people gungho.

ZRX1200 wrote:

I am extremely confident that this assassination does not create new precedent. We have been taking people out for years and should continue to do so in circumstances with this one. As to the political aspect of this, I don't think poll numbers mean anything real. So what if there is a few percentage point bump in the polls? It won't last long enough to be meaningful.

rfenst
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14 years ago

#51

Everyone deserves a trial before they are killed or put in prison.

ShiftyMac wrote:

Everyone? All the time? Without regard for the particular circumstances?

Let's see if you really mean that: Bank robber seizes a little girl and holds his hand-gun to her head. Snipers finally get a clear shot and they blow his head off his shoulders.

Where was his "due process"?

teedubbya
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14 years ago

#52

We need to go back to doing these things with plausable denyability. Have others do our dirty work or do things in a way it looks like it may have been us but we pretend it wasn't with a big smile. We are getting stupid/arrogant about things.

rfenst
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14 years ago

#53

teedubbya wrote:

I don't care how we do it- as long as it gets done.

Brewha
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14 years ago

#54

I don't care how we do it- as long as it gets done.

rfenst wrote:

Sounds like a line for your girl friend . . . .

rfenst
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14 years ago

#55

Sounds like a line for your girl friend . . . .

Brewha wrote:

Nah, just fair warning to my wife.

DrMaddVibe
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14 years ago

#56

teedubbya wrote:

Holder is working on that one Fast & Furious!

Besides being stupid AND arrogant is a Kenyan King trait.

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teedubbya
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14 years ago

#57

One of my biggest complaints about the bushies formalizing torture is that it formalized torture. It is meant to be behind closed doors and denied. Geez.

DrMaddVibe
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14 years ago

#58

One of my biggest complaints about the bushies formalizing torture is that it formalized torture. It is meant to be behind closed doors and denied. Geez.

teedubbya wrote:

I suppose they cudda called it Milk & Cookie time.[frypan]

DrafterX
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14 years ago

#59

I suppose they cudda called it Milk & Cookie time.[frypan]

DrMaddVibe wrote:

:-k 🤔
don't think that will work.... tell some terrorist dude he better talk or else he gets milk and cookies..?? 😕

much more effective to call it Jumper Cables on the Balls Time.... 👍

ZRX1200
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14 years ago

#60

Hot anal with Barney Frank and bacon grease time?

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