DrMaddVibe
14 years ago
And as Slow Joe has stated...back to the rapings!
DrMaddVibe
14 years ago

I keep hearing this poop in the park stuff. There was one picture, no sh*t, no urine, just a guy with his head turned and pants down leaning against a cop car. So far no evidence of poop in the park. With O'Keefe hanging around there I wouldn't be surprised at all if it was all faked.

FuzzNJ wrote:





Angry Manhattan residents lambast Zuccotti Park protesters
By JOSH SAUL
Last Updated: 6:30 AM, October 21, 2011
Posted: 6:58 PM, October 20, 2011

Infuriated lower Manhattan residents went ballistic on Zuccotti Park protesters at a chaotic Community Board 1 meeting tonight while blasting politicians for allowing the siege to continue without any end in sight.

"They are defecating on our doorsteps," fumed Catherine Hughes, a member of Community Board 1 and a stay at home mom who has the misfortune of living one block from the chaos. "A lot of people are very frustrated. A lot of people are concerned about the safety of our kids."

Fed up homeowners said that they've been subjected to insults and harassment as they trek to their jobs each morning. "The protesters taunt people who are on their way to work," said James Fernandez, 51, whose apartment overlooks the park.

WILLIAM MILLER
Local resident Gordon Crovitz disagrees with representatives of OWS at a Community Board 1 meeting regarding the Good Neighbor policy between the Occupy Wall Street protesters and local residents.

Board member Paul Cantor said that residents are fed up with the incessant racket that emanates from the protest at all hours. "It's mostly a noise issue," he said. If people can't sleep and children can't sleep because the protesters are banging drums then that's a problem."

"They have to have some parameters," said Tricia Joyce, also a board member. "That doesn't mean the protests have to stop. I'm hoping we can strike a balance on parameters because this could be a long term stay."

The line to get into the standing room only meeting spilled out of the board's office and onto the street outside where Zuccotti sympathizers sparred with angry residents. One elderly woman told a protester to stop screaming and was met with an even hgiher volume. "Get some earplugs!" retorted David Spano. "This is the street. I can say whatever I want! I can't calm down, I've been struggling for 30 years!"

The meeting, which kicked off at 6:15 p.m., has already attracted several hundred people.


http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/manhattan/angry_manhattan_residents_lambast_RjpTU0jG2z9yrgf5o4bRcO#ixzz1bPuZG3Ez 

I digress though..oh yeah...BANG BANG!
FuzzNJ
14 years ago
Who Are the Occupy Bradenton Protestors?
In short, everyone
Published Saturday, October 22, 2011 2:03 am
by John Rehill

BRADENTON -- Tea Party Manatee issued a statement in their newsletter this week disputing any media attempts to categorize the Occupy movement as a liberal version of their grassroots organization.

"This is sickening!," the email, which goes out to Tea Party subscribers read. "It is unbelievable that there are those in government and the media who equate the patriotism of great Americans in the Tea Party movement to this hateful and violent mob."

Apparently that wasn't enough to make the author's point.

"We are comprised of patriots who want to put this country back on the right track! Occupy Wall Street, however, is made up of people who hate America and what it stands for."

The statement is similar to many others made by Tea Party groups and right-wing media commentators over the past several weeks. But calling protesters bums, freeloaders, cowards and traitors is not only disingenuous and insulting to the realities that surround the issues, it reflects the very narcissistic arrogance responsible for the conditions that have so many Americans feeling marginalized, discarded and used. To not validate the impoverishment that has been force-fed to the many millions of people, at no fault of their own, suggest a complete disconnect from humanity.

Every protester I met last weekend on the streets of Bradenton is fed-up with the conditions that surround them. The word that comes up most often is greed. The majority of people I spoke with feel corporations have bought and paid for all of our legislatures, at every level of government. They feel betrayed and are not willing to listen to any more excuses. Most see the corporate/government coersion that continues to undermine the poor and middle-class as criminal. Nearly all see network media as codependent and responsible for perpetuating the myths that have led to today's extreme economic disparities.

You can hear it in their voices and see it in their faces, they have all had enough. They are teachers, city workers, cooks, landscapers and engineers. They are retired, just out of college, middle aged and in grade school, wondering what the future has in store for them, even though they've done everything they were told to do. And they are in the streets of the cities and towns around the globe, saying in all languages, that they're not going to take it any more. So when someone trivializes their struggle, it seems their commitment to change the powers that be, grow even stronger.

Suzanne sits in her chair with her "No to Scott - Save our State" hat. She says she was retired in 2001 when she became a peace activist. She told me, "I was then sick about the fake war and the fake president. In the 60's, I had kids in school, and had I not, I would have been out there protesting. I'm old now, but I can get out here and let them know." There was a flare in her eye that let you know she was serious.

Carly Penzik is a 22 year-old Marine. She carried a John Lennon "Imagine" poster and saw him as a icon for peace and justice. When enrolling in the Corps she had just lost her mother. Then two years later her father also passed away. She was given a hardship discharge from the military and returned disillusioned about the war and all that has been lost because of it. She said she was out there to "spark people's heads into waking up," to see what was going on. She couldn't understand why -- so many lives lost in the war and a trillion dollars with them. Carly is now just trying to get into college somehow.

Trevor is standing there with his mother Eddie, who is a nurse. She says she is out there because, "I don't like this country being driven into the ground." Trevor, a computer tech student, says he, "just wants to get ahead." He held his Prosperity not Disparity sign proudly, and Eddie said she was certainly proud of him.

Jessie works for the city and he's standing there between his wife Janessa and his daughter Sophia. Both Jessie and his coworker, Paul Thomas, who is there with them, say they are committed. Both gentleman are AFSCME union members and say they are there to stand up for all union workers. Paul says AFSCME is the second largest labor union in the state, and it's time to end what's been going on.

Mitch Mallett and his two buddies Terrie McGrath and Joe Spagnuolo, were there to show their support. Mitch has a radio show, It's your Gavel, located at 1490 on the dial. They all said they were there to stop the corporate greed. Terrie, in construction, has been unemployed for a year, and Joe has also been an unemployed computer tech rep since last October.

Dennis and Joan Muoio and their Why not Trickle Up? sign said it all. Both seemed to keep the humor up, but said they take the problems serious. Both are also retired teachers and it showed, often answering a question with a question. When I asked Dennis why he was there, he asked, "What's the other side of the argument?" It's always fun to feel like one is back in school.

Donna Turgeon was there with Skip Harmon. Donna had been there last week and both said they were there to support the "Occupation" movement. Skip is a Korean War vet. Bob Luersen and his The 99% is too Big To fail sign, used to work for a local paper, until they started outsourcing his job. Herman and Wendy supplied the music. They are married, vets who met while in the Marines. They say they are "ticked off." Heather Davis, her hubby and their son Billy. Heather says, "The Governor needs to step up. The corporations don't have the people in mind. America will be in debt forever."

Robert Phillipoff stands there with his flag and People Before Profit sign, and says, "We need a full time occupation, this is a genuine populace movement." Alex and Amia came out to show their support. She worked for a chain store that went out of business and he is still working in retail. Both say it is getting tough. Art Fletcher stands there with his picture of Lincoln. He is noticeably peeved and says, "Corporate money buys politicians." Then there is, Hippie Amy who says she is a student and looking for work.

I didn't find a "Bum" amongst them, nor did I see a "coward" or think there was one person I met that I wouldn't have over for dinner. Best I could tell, none of them hated America. In fact, it was their love of their country and what it means to them that landed them on the street with a sign. What's scary is to think there are those who claim to have what it takes to be a leader, yet choose to ignore the economic disparities that have created the millions of foreclosures on family homes, the millions of graduates that are strapped by the hundreds of billions in student loans, the millions of children that are living in poverty, the millions that have died a premature death because they can't afford health insurance and the TRILLIONS of dollars that have disappeared from the American economy, because the legislature has handed complete control to the oligarchs.

The disenfranchised, the exploited, the real people who are occupying the streets, are not going away, unless their grievances do. To label them as traitors and throw derogatory gestures to discredit their obvious reality suggest a more serious problem. John Fitzgerald Kennedy said: "Deny a peaceful revolution, and you guarantee a violent one." That's not "advocating the violent overthrow of a government." It's simply being cognizant of history and man's desire to commune in a society where there is reasonable opportunity for those of all means. America was once that place and has become less so. These Americans would like to see it move back in that direction -- a land of opportunity. What's un-American about that?

http://www.thebradentontimes.com/news/2011/10/22/community/who_are_the_occupy_bradenton_protestors/ 

God Damn Communists!
dubleuhb
14 years ago
That is some creative ''journalism''. Another obscure puff piece trying to bring relevancy to the squatters.
FuzzNJ
14 years ago
I'll have more coming out about this in a few days, but there have been two disgusting developments in the realm of plutocratic intervention on behalf of Wall Street that everyone protesting should take note of.

The fact that both of the following things took place in the middle of the full fever of OWS, when everyone is supposedly trying to placate anti-banker sentiment and Obama and the DCCC are supposedly pledging support of the protesters, shows how completely bankrupt this system is and how necessary street-level protests have become. Popular uprising is probably the only move left to stop developments like the following:

1) Bank of America is shifting a huge collection of Merrill Lynch derivatives contracts onto its own federally-insured balance sheet. This move of risky instruments off the uninsured Merrill balance sheet onto the commercial bank's balance sheet was done to prevent Bank of America's creditors from attacking the firm with collateral calls and other sorties. Essentially, an irresponsible debtor, B of A, is keeping a loan shark from breaking his legs by getting his rich parents to co-sign his loan. The parents in this metaphor would be the FDIC.

The FDIC naturally is not pleased with this development, but the Fed, the supreme banking regulator, is apparently encouraging this move. Here's how Bloomberg characterized this move:

In short, the Fed's priorities seem to lie with protecting the bank-holding company from losses at Merrill, even if that means greater risks for the FDIC's insurance fund.

Again and again, the Fed proves it has no appetite for allowing Wall Street to eat its own pain, and continually encourages banks to stick the government with its losses and bad assets. This move will allow Bank of America to keep a Band-Aid over its disastrous financial situation far longer than it would be able to in a genuinely free market. People should be outraged at this development.

2) Barack Obama is apparently expressing willingness to junk big chunks of Sarbanes-Oxley in exchange for support for his jobs program. Business leaders are balking at creating new jobs unless Obama makes compliance with S-O voluntary for all firms valued at under $1 billion.

Here's how to translate this move: companies are saying they can't attract investment unless they can hide their financials from investors. So the CEOs and gazillionaires on Obama's Jobs Council want the politically-vulnerable president to give them license to cook the books in exchange for support for his jobs program. From the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette:

"All you're going to do is have more fraud. The ultimate losers are going to be investors," said Jeff Klink, a former federal prosecutor whose Gateway Center firm helps clients prevent and detect fraud.

If the financial crisis proved anything, it's that Wall Street companies in particular have been serial offenders in the area of dishonest accounting and book-cooking. Sarbanes-Oxley is obviously no panacea, but removing it in exchange for a temporary, election-year job boost is exactly the kind of myopic, absurdly irresponsible **** that got us into this mess in the first place. For Obama to pull this in the middle of these protests is crazy.

If anyone thought OWS has already done its job, and Washington has gotten the message already, think again. They're not going to change until the protesters force them to change, it seems.

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/blogs/taibblog/occupy-wall-street-washington-still-doesnt-get-it-20111021 
HockeyDad
14 years ago
Occupy Sarbanes-Oxley!
FuzzNJ
14 years ago

That is some creative ''journalism''. Another obscure puff piece trying to bring relevancy to the squatters.

dubleuhb wrote:



Your right, he just probably ignored all the strung out 'hippies' passed out on the ground, unlike the objective types who post here.
DrMaddVibe
14 years ago
Is Mike waking up?

Mayor Bloomberg yesterday suggested that he’s finally losing patience with the incipient public-health crisis masquerading as a protest demonstration in and around Zuccotti Park.

Which means, he said, “we will start enforcing” some basic city laws -- like requiring permits every time the Occupy Wall Street folks decide to stage a march. (Or, perhaps, hold a public prayer session, as they did yesterday with the Council on American-Islamic Relations, once named as an unindicted co-conspirator in a Hamas-related fund-raising case.) That’s appropriate -- for starters.

But the complaints leveled at a Community Board 1 hearing Thursday won’t be resolved by bureaucratic paper-shuffling.

“They’re defecating on our doorsteps,” fumed board member Catherine Hughes. Other speakers said OWS occupiers keep dumping urine into the streets.

Most complained about the ongoing noise -- particularly from nonstop drumming -- in the neighborhood.
Others cited the barricades that are hurting local businesses and making the residents feel like they’re in a state of siege.

Which is the ultimate irony, of course.

Wall Street business isn’t affected by the “occupation.” It’s small businesses and other job creators that are being hurt.

The mayor and other pols -- like Council Speaker Christine Quinn and Manhattan BP Scott Stringer -- are right when they stress the need to find a balance between the protesters’ First Amendment rights and the rights of the neighborhood to peace, quiet and cleanliness.

Problem is, there’s been a lot of enabling of the protesters by pols like Bloomberg, Quinn and Stringer -- and precious little effort to protect the interests of all of their constituents.

“It’s just not so easy,” concedes Bloomberg. “You can’t just walk in and say, ‘Hey, you’re out of here.’”
True, Zuccotti Park isn’t public property.

On the other hand, doorstep defecation hardly qualifies as protected speech under any definition of the First Amendment -- and there is no reason to put up with it.

Quinn and Stringer have revealed themselves to be hopeless panderers here -- not surprising, given that the municipal unions so strongly support the protest.

Bloomberg, however, is a clever guy.

He and his brain trust would have no difficulty dealing with a rodent infestation -- private property or no private property -- and, after 35 days, that’s pretty much what prevails at Zuccotti Park.

A constructive first step would be to strictly enforce all laws: permits, excessive noise, public urinating and defecation, illegal drug use -- whatever.

The protest should continue, if the protesters want -- but the Zuccotti Park encampment is long past its sell-by date.

Time to shut it down.



http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion/editorials/is_mike_waking_up_BKDsXoKSypPdAH6BAS0i7K#ixzz1bhVlnIzr 
DrMaddVibe
14 years ago

Who Are the Occupy Bradenton Protestors?

FuzzNJ wrote:





The protest was absent the street theater found in some of the other demonstrations, just sign waving and slogan chanting, punctuated by the horns of many passing motorists.

Bradenton police officers were monitoring the demonstration for potential trouble. The only testiness early on came when one motorist rolled down his window and jeered, "Get a life, you bums!"


"By noon, there were about a dozen protesters remaining."


http://www.bradenton.com/2011/10/09/3558205/about-100-demonstrators-gather.html 



If you listen to Snickerdoodles...they're everybody though.

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HockeyDad
14 years ago
One of the things I was never sure about is why is Occupy Wall Street in a park around three blocks away from Wall Street?

Occupy Tampa is in a park next to the Children's Museum and the Tampa Museum of Art. I guess those are facilities that 1%ers use.
DrMaddVibe
14 years ago
Perhaps they wanted to utilize the jungle gym and play area.
MikeyRavioli
14 years ago
President Obama and the Democratic leadership are making a critical error in embracing the Occupy Wall Street movement—and it may cost them the 2012 election.

Last week, senior White House adviser David Plouffe said that "the protests you're seeing are the same conversations people are having in living rooms and kitchens all across America. . . . People are frustrated by an economy that does not reward hard work and responsibility, where Wall Street and Main Street don't seem to play by the same set of rules." Nancy Pelosi and others have echoed the message.

Yet the Occupy Wall Street movement reflects values that are dangerously out of touch with the broad mass of the American people—and particularly with swing voters who are largely independent and have been trending away from the president since the debate over health-care reform.

The protesters have a distinct ideology and are bound by a deep commitment to radical left-wing policies. On Oct. 10 and 11, Arielle Alter Confino, a senior researcher at my polling firm, interviewed nearly 200 protesters in New York's Zuccotti Park. Our findings probably represent the first systematic random sample of Occupy Wall Street opinion.

Our research shows clearly that the movement doesn't represent unemployed America and is not ideologically diverse. Rather, it comprises an unrepresentative segment of the electorate that believes in radical redistribution of wealth, civil disobedience and, in some instances, violence. Half (52%) have participated in a political movement before, virtually all (98%) say they would support civil disobedience to achieve their goals, and nearly one-third (31%) would support violence to advance their agenda.

The vast majority of demonstrators are actually employed, and the proportion of protesters unemployed (15%) is within single digits of the national unemployment rate (9.1%).

An overwhelming majority of demonstrators supported Barack Obama in 2008. Now 51% disapprove of the president while 44% approve, and only 48% say they will vote to re-elect him in 2012, while at least a quarter won't vote.

Fewer than one in three (32%) call themselves Democrats, while roughly the same proportion (33%) say they aren't represented by any political party.

What binds a large majority of the protesters together—regardless of age, socioeconomic status or education—is a deep commitment to left-wing policies: opposition to free-market capitalism and support for radical redistribution of wealth, intense regulation of the private sector, and protectionist policies to keep American jobs from going overseas.

Sixty-five percent say that government has a moral responsibility to guarantee all citizens access to affordable health care, a college education, and a secure retirement—no matter the cost. By a large margin (77%-22%), they support raising taxes on the wealthiest Americans, but 58% oppose raising taxes for everybody, with only 36% in favor. And by a close margin, protesters are divided on whether the bank bailouts were necessary (49%) or unnecessary (51%).

Thus Occupy Wall Street is a group of engaged progressives who are disillusioned with the capitalist system and have a distinct activist orientation. Among the general public, by contrast, 41% of Americans self-identify as conservative, 36% as moderate, and only 21% as liberal. That's why the Obama-Pelosi embrace of the movement could prove catastrophic for their party.

In 1970, aligning too closely with the antiwar movement hurt Democrats in the midterm election, when many middle-class and working-class Americans ended up supporting hawkish candidates who condemned student disruptions. While that 1970 election should have been a sweep against the first-term Nixon administration, it was instead one of only four midterm elections since 1938 when the president's party didn't lose seats.


With the Democratic Party on the defensive throughout the 1970 campaign, liberal Democrats were only able to win on Election Day by distancing themselves from the student protest movement. So Adlai Stevenson III pinned an American flag to his lapel, appointed Chicago Seven prosecutor Thomas Foran chairman of his Citizen's Committee, and emphasized "law and order"—a tactic then employed by Ted Kennedy, who denounced the student protesters as "campus commandos" who must be repudiated, "especially by those who may share their goals."

Today, having abandoned any effort to work with the congressional super committee to craft a bipartisan agreement on deficit reduction, President Obama has thrown in with those who support his desire to tax oil companies and the rich, rather than appeal to independent and self-described moderate swing voters who want smaller government and lower taxes, not additional stimulus or interference in the private sector.

Rather than embracing huge new spending programs and tax increases, plus increasingly radical and potentially violent activists, the Democrats should instead build a bridge to the much more numerous independents and moderates in the center by opposing bailouts and broad-based tax increases.

Put simply, Democrats need to say they are with voters in the middle who want cooperation, conciliation and lower taxes. And they should work particularly hard to contrast their rhetoric with the extremes advocated by the Occupy Wall Street crowd.

Mr. Schoen, who served as a pollster for President Bill Clinton, is author of "Hopelessly Divided: The New Crisis in American Politics and What It Means for 2012 and Beyond," forthcoming from Rowman and Littlefield.

MikeyRavioli
14 years ago
That was from the WSJ by the way
FuzzNJ
14 years ago
By a 67 - 23 percent margin, New York City voters agree with the views of the Wall Street protesters and say 87 - 10 percent that it is "okay that they are protesting," according to a Quinnipiac University poll released today.

Agreeing with the protesters views are Democrats 81 - 11 percent and independent voters 58 - 30 percent, while Republicans disagree 58 - 35 percent, the independent Quinnipiac (KWIN-uh-pe-ack) University poll finds. Even Republicans, however, agree 73 - 23 percent with the protesters right to be there.

New York City voters say 72 - 24 percent, including 52 - 41 percent among Republicans, that if the protesters obey the law, they can stay as long as they wish.

A total of 72 percent of voters say they understand the protesters' views "very well" or "fairly well," with 17 percent who say "not too well" and 10 percent who say "not well at all."

Asked who is to blame for the current state of the nation's economy;

37 percent of New York City voters blame the administration of former President George W. Bush;
21 percent blame Wall Street and financial institutions;
18 percent blame Congress;
11 percent blame President Barack Obama.

New York City voters support 61 - 28 percent an extension of the state's so-called 'Millionaire's Tax.' Even Republicans support the extension 55 - 38 percent.

Voters also support 73 - 19 percent, including 48 - 40 percent among Republicans, tougher government regulation of banks and Wall Street firms.

From October 12 - 16, Quinnipiac University surveyed 1,068 registered voters with a margin of error of +/- 3 percentage points. Live interviewers call land lines and cell phones.
FuzzNJ
14 years ago

That was from the WSJ by the way

MikeyRavioli wrote:



Shocking.

Mike, who was the leader and spokesperson for the tea party?
MikeyRavioli
14 years ago
Dude, why do you keep asking me about the Tea Party? I am not a member of the Tea Party nor am I a Tea Party supporter.
FuzzNJ
14 years ago

Dude, why do you keep asking me about the Tea Party? I am not a member of the Tea Party nor am I a Tea Party supporter.

MikeyRavioli wrote:



I was just wondering because I was thinking that leadership was one of your main concerns yet the tea party marketed themselves in the same way even saying they weren't part of the republican party and we've seen them morph into the republican party now.

Only reason.
MikeyRavioli
14 years ago
I am not going to defend the tea party but if you want to make that point - the tea party is a subset within an organized political party. They have held events which were legal with permits, sanitation, and bathrooms. Events which did not involve taking over private property. There is a tea party message. There are tea party candidates. Here in NY one ran for Governor. I chose to vote for Cuomo over Paladino and Cuomo won.

Again I am not a member or supporter of the tea party but if you want to compare the tea party is waaaaaay ahead. OWS is disorganized, anarchanisitc, and illegal.

and based on the article extreme left wing radicals that are for wealth redistribution and against capitolism and willing to use violence to achieve their goals. Democratic pollsters have advised the party to stay away.
HockeyDad
14 years ago
Occupy Wall Street doesn't even make the news anymore.

They're going to need to start breaking some windows and burning some buildings.
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