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MikeyRavioli
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14 years ago

#361

You dont get more tea party than Palladino or Michele Bachman but they ran (run) as Republicans. They call them tea party favorites. But even leaving tea party out of this as HD recommneds, they still are different because they are different. The most recent protests in NYC before the OWS began were for same sex marriage. Regardless of how I feel about the issue I have much more respect for their protestors than OWS. They used civil disobedience and got arrested. They marched without permits. But they had a point. There was a bill they were fighting to pass. And it passed. They never resorted to taking over public property and pooping on peoples doorsteps.

MLK was referenced several times as was Ghandi. Again they had a clear focused point. A civil rights bill was passed due to MLK. Ghandi stood for India's independence. Clear, focused points. OWS is still lacking in that department and in my mind will remain different until they focus.

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DrMaddVibe
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14 years ago

#362

MLK was referenced several times as was Ghandi. Again they had a clear focused point. A civil rights bill was passed due to MLK. Ghandi stood for India's independence. Clear, focused points. OWS is still lacking in that department and in my mind will remain different until they focus.

MikeyRavioli wrote:

=; Jazz Hands Twinkles Up In Da Air! ✋

FuzzNJ
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14 years ago

#363

You dont get more tea party than Palladino or Michele Bachman but they ran (run) as Republicans.

MikeyRavioli wrote:

Yes. We both agree that the tea party has always been a Republican thing. I say they are the same people as the 'moral majority' in the 80's just rebranded.

They call them tea party favorites.

MikeyRavioli wrote:

Who? The media? Remember now, the tea party and any representative when asked will never say they are Republicans, ever, but the reverse is true.

But even leaving tea party out of this as HD recommneds, they still are different because they are different.

MikeyRavioli wrote:

? Of course. As is everything. You never see the same river twice and the tea party of last year is different from the tea party today. Not sure what this has to do with anything.

The most recent protests in NYC before the OWS began were for same sex marriage. Regardless of how I feel about the issue I have much more respect for their protestors than OWS. They used civil disobedience and got arrested. They marched without permits. But they had a point.

MikeyRavioli wrote:

Good comparison. A one issue protest, pass a bill. Why? They had several reasons. What was unjust about the law as it was? Several points related to that. What would happen if it passed? A list of things that would happen to equal the rights between heterosexuals and homosexuals and another list of things that wouldn't happen to assuage the fears of those fighting the passage of the bill. One issue, lots of arguments.

OWS. One main issue, a more just economic system. Why? List of reasons. What is unjust about the laws as they are now? Several points. What would happen with a more just economic system? A list. One issue, lots of arguments.

There was a bill they were fighting to pass. And it passed. They never resorted to taking over public property and pooping on peoples doorsteps.

MikeyRavioli wrote:

Again with the pooping. How many people do you imagine are pooping in public in the middle of the park or on the street? Is one too much? 10? At what point does a minority of people in a group, even someone who might not even be there for the protest because as a NY'r you are aware that there are lots of homeless people in the parks, define the entire group?

HockeyDad
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14 years ago

#364

Part of accepting the OWS is to embrace the poop, not try to distance one's self from it.

HockeyDad
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14 years ago

#365

The poop will be the OWS's most lasting accomplishment!

DrMaddVibe
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14 years ago

#366

Again with the pooping. How many people do you imagine are pooping in public in the middle of the park or on the street?

FuzzNJ wrote:

They're poopin fools!

For the entire neighborhood to raise hell at a public meeting and call your MLK and Ghandiesque "protests" an actual seige.

Pick up a NY Post and read the articles instead of the cartoons and pictures.

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FuzzNJ
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14 years ago

#367

lol, the Post? That's like the weekly world news of ny dailies.

DrMaddVibe
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14 years ago

#368

The poop will be the OWS's most lasting accomplishment!

HockeyDad wrote:

Don't sell laying on the ground with a plastic tarp or peeing in the doorways short.

It could be a kind of Mt.Rushmore complete with the guy smoking a bong!

Why they could totally update the fife and drum poster to include a Ecstasy tweaking chem-light twirling fool, a guy with dreadlocks beating on a plastic pail and the shreiking Vanilla Ice wanna be trust fund baby crying in the night!

TRIFECTA!!!![frypan]

MikeyRavioli
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14 years ago

#369

I guess to me a more just economic system is simply not specific enough. Same sex marriage may be one issue with lots of arguments but in the end the entire group supported one idea.

Same sex marriage is not legal. We want it to be legal. Make it legal. Same sex marriage bill passes.
People are discrimintated against under the law due to the color of their skin. We want it to be illegal under the law. Make it illegal. Civil rights bill passes.
India is an English territory. We want it to be independant. Make it independant. England grants independance.

The economic system is unjust. OWS wants it to be more just. __________________________. _____________________________.

And sorry about the constant references to pooping but its in the news every day. Today there were neighbors being interviewed who were pissed off with being pissed on.

HockeyDad
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14 years ago

#370

I guess to me a more just economic system is simply not specific enough.

MikeyRavioli wrote:

It should be more in favor of Le HockeyDad. There, happy now?

MikeyRavioli
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14 years ago

#371

It should be more in favor of Le HockeyDad. There, happy now?

HockeyDad wrote:

Not really. Make it in favor of fat ass, golf playing, cigar smoking, Italian guys and I would be down with that.

HockeyDad
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14 years ago

#372

Ultimately what it always comes down to is people want to make the unjust economic system more just (in their favor).

DrafterX
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14 years ago

#373

nobody ever thinks about the fat ass, golf playing, cigar smoking, Italian guys...... 😞

DrMaddVibe
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14 years ago

#374

lol, the Post? That's like the weekly world news of ny dailies.

FuzzNJ wrote:

Yeah...shoot the message and the messenger...got it.

HockeyDad
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14 years ago

#375

nobody ever thinks about the fat ass, golf playing, cigar smoking, Italian guys...... 😞

DrafterX wrote:

That is because they are fat ass, golf playing, cigar smoking, Italian guys.

FuzzNJ
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14 years ago

#376

I guess to me a more just economic system is simply not specific enough.

MikeyRavioli wrote:

Ding! Our conversation has lead to something and that's great. Thanks for engaging in a fairly reasonable discussion. I can understand that sentiment, I really can. I am more sympathetic to that idea I suppose because to me the entire thing is so complicated I won't pretend to know all the answers.

The one thing that pisses me off the most are people who keep insisting that their way works even if after trying it for 3 decades it has been shown that it simply doesn't. If something doesn't work, try something else. That's what these people are saying. They are having what they call 'teach ins' where people who are experts in their fields come down and speak and answer questions so everyone can learn. I find this refreshing and honest.

When I see a person who has sold cars all his life and never gone to college or studied economics at all stand there and tell everyone what this country needs to do with complete confidence only to find out he's just parroting Limbaugh, I gotta question wtf is that?

And sorry about the constant references to pooping but its in the news every day. Today there were neighbors being interviewed who were pissed off with being pissed on.

MikeyRavioli wrote:

But what I asked is a serious question. You keep bringing it up because the news talks about it. How many pooping people are there really and how many do there need to be to kill the entire movement (pun intended)? If you find 12 communists at the rally does that make everyone tainted with the stink of communism? 120? If I could find the same amount of racist signs at a tea party gathering should that discredit their entire movement? If I found the same number of 'god hates ****' signs at an anti-gay marriage protest can I say everyone who disagrees with gay marriage or a christian is a bigot?

See my point? Focusing on the negative aspects of one movement and not on another, even though you say you don't associate with either, still shows where you lean, whether it's politically or with whom you feel more comfortable associating yourself with socio-economically.

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