Frankj1,

Most of that post is a straw-man you've been creating based on your attempt to try to deflect the conversation by labeling me a victim. It didn't work.

Israel exists because of its military prowess. The oppressive use of this same military prowess also guarantees the cycle of continuous war. Will the circle be unbroken? Israel can't take over the middle east. Israel doesn't even have the manpower to secure Lebanon and can't even secure the West Bank and Gaza! They could try for a lasting peace but that opportunity is slipping away. (Which tells me to buy oil soon!)

Akmenajihad is a douchebag that has gamed the entire middle east. Netanyahoo is a douchebag that has gamed the entire middle east. One of them sends the USA taxpayers an invoice every time he prepares for a war and sends the USA taxpayers an extra invoice every time he actually starts a war.

HockeyDad wrote:

I reply directly to your words and questions and you dance around it with the ubiquitous "strawman" crap.
No wrath for Iran yet? Only reserved for invoicing?

You repeatedly say you are a victim of antisemitic accusations because you dare to criticize Israel. But I brought up the notion of you as victim? Very weak.

frankj1 wrote:

No wrath for Iran yet?

frankj1 wrote:

Actually I just looked back on this thread and nowhere did I say I was being accused of anti-Semitic accusations. Nobody has accused me of that on this thread. It has happened on previous threads to the point where Jewish members of the forum have come to my defense. I have never claimed to be the victim even when faced will these hollow accusations. Many if not most Israelis and American Jews that I have met don't care for the fast and lose playing of the antisemitism card or the self-hating Jew card.


from post #41...Israel has crafted a very popular theory that anyone that does not bow to Israel is anti-Semitic.

I then asked you who? Where? When? as it applies to you. The clear inference here is that you won't bow so therefore are included in the "very popular theory". Yet you do know you should be counting me among the Jews that would come to your defense, correct? I just have not seen you charged as such for your Israeli criticism, not this thread nor previous. Certainly I may have missed it, if so, guess I am wrong. But man you say it alot. Then you used the "firestorm" after Gutman to prove it.

Also, I don't care for the "fast and loose..." when applied to any Hate-ism. No group/nation is above criticism. Got any for the countries that actually do hate us and Israel?


So yes, you have created a strawman and you hold the prize for being the only one on thread that has suggested I consider joining Islam!

Um, funny as you can be when writing, you are utterly unable to see humor in my words. You obviously are not planning a Jewish conversion, in #42 you complained of balky knees being a problem, then Fuzz razzed your Christian standing in #50...hence my suggestion that between Fuzz and me you may want to revisit Islam, prayer rug (kneeling, get it?) or no prayer rug! Save the straw man for others.

HockeyDad wrote:

You have missed it in the past and you are wrong but I don't fault you for it. I'm still willing to send your kids to war. See, no hard feelings!

While you thought I missed your humor regarding Islam, you actually missed FuzzNJ's humor. He's an atheist and thinks the religious are a bunch of death cultists. You're going to have to try harder to keep up around here!

HockeyDad wrote:

You've been misquoted at will? Sounds like you're a victim.

You know what would make you feel better? War with Iran! Let's get it started. With Iraq and Afghanistan winding down, we've got spare troops.

HockeyDad wrote: