FuzzNJ
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14 years ago

You need to re-read what I said and re-read your article.

HockeyDad wrote:



The number of people reporting incomes of $200,000 or more but legally paying no federal income taxes skyrocketed in the second Bush term. A decade ago it was fewer than 1,500 taxpayers; in 2000 it was about 2,300. This high-income, tax-free group jumped to more than 11,000 in 2007 and then doubled in 2008 to more than 22,000.

In 2008 nearly 1 in every 200 high-income taxpayers paid no federal income tax, up from about 1 in 1,500 in 1998.

The share of high incomes that were untaxed increased more than sevenfold to one dollar of every $166.

The Statistics of Income data on tax-free, high incomes severely understate economic reality because they exclude deferral accounts, including those of hedge fund managers with billion-dollar incomes who can legally report no current income and borrow against their untaxed gains to live tax free.
FuzzNJ
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14 years ago

It is hard to discuss taxation and tax cuts with someone who does not pay taxes!

HockeyDad wrote:



Wish that were the actual case, but feel free to be an a$$hole.
HockeyDad
14 years ago

The 81.5 billion goes to less than 3% of all households in the US.

The 463 goes to 97%+.

FuzzNJ wrote:





Thank you for acknowledging that I produced the numbers that you claimed I couldn't and that you were wrong.
FuzzNJ
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14 years ago

In all fairness, you started this by shooting out a talking point.

HockeyDad wrote:



Really? Without knowing what was happening? More like I read what happened and formed an opinion. Others here argued without even knowing. Like saying the government doesn't need any more of our money, when the subject is tax cuts not tax increases.

No one even supporting or pointing out that incorrect assertion. It's pathetic.
HockeyDad
14 years ago

So you are taking the pro-tax position now? I'm taking the position that tax cuts should be cut for the middle class and raised on the wealthy, as a simple proposition. In reality the position is much more complicated as is the tax code itself and not worthy of discussion here.

FuzzNJ wrote:





You never can figure out my position and just try to paint me into one of your labels. I've never taken the anti-tax position.

My position has always been that the 2% social security cut would have to be allowed to expire and the Bush tax cuts would have to be allowed to expire and that people should be prepared for the direct reduction in their paychecks, regardless of being lower, middle, or upper class. The bankruptcy of the nation will necessitate this.

Your jealousy and desire the punish the rich while voting yourself a bigger gain from the US Treasury is not productive for the nation and is just the same old self-serving occupooper mentality. We've been over it all before.
HockeyDad
14 years ago

The number of people reporting incomes of $200,000 or more but legally paying no federal income taxes skyrocketed in the second Bush term. A decade ago it was fewer than 1,500 taxpayers; in 2000 it was about 2,300. This high-income, tax-free group jumped to more than 11,000 in 2007 and then doubled in 2008 to more than 22,000.

In 2008 nearly 1 in every 200 high-income taxpayers paid no federal income tax, up from about 1 in 1,500 in 1998.

The share of high incomes that were untaxed increased more than sevenfold to one dollar of every $166.

The Statistics of Income data on tax-free, high incomes severely understate economic reality because they exclude deferral accounts, including those of hedge fund managers with billion-dollar incomes who can legally report no current income and borrow against their untaxed gains to live tax free.

FuzzNJ wrote:





Like I said, you need to re-read what I said.
ZRX1200
14 years ago
No what's pointless is borrowing money when spending isn't addresses.

You can't wave your outrage at redistribution of wealth till the cows come home to occupy the couch.

Your problem is people here never agree with the majority of your premises. And you're to partisanly deaf to have a conversation.
HockeyDad
14 years ago

Really? Without knowing what was happening? More like I read what happened and formed an opinion. Others here argued without even knowing. Like saying the government doesn't need any more of our money, when the subject is tax cuts not tax increases.

No one even supporting or pointing out that incorrect assertion. It's pathetic.

FuzzNJ wrote:




You spit out a talking point looking for an argument. Now you're outraged because you got an argument? ...and now something is "pathetic"? Really, "pathetic? Are you sure you aren't being just a little bit dramatic?
HockeyDad
14 years ago

Wish that were the actual case, but feel free to be an a$$hole.

FuzzNJ wrote:




You called a Frenchie an ****...Oh, I'm wounded! I was just pointing out a basic fact.
FuzzNJ
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14 years ago

You never can figure out my position and just try to paint me into one of your labels. I've never taken the anti-tax position.

HockeyDad wrote:



Paint you? Coming from a whitewasher like you? lol
FuzzNJ
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14 years ago

Like I said, you need to re-read what I said.

HockeyDad wrote:



i read it and understood it completely. Sure you didn't say that the rich benefited less, but the way it was written was meant to convey that idea. It's very impressive and something politicians do frequently. Good job.
FuzzNJ
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14 years ago

No what's pointless is borrowing money when spending isn't addresses.

You can't wave your outrage at redistribution of wealth till the cows come home to occupy the couch.

Your problem is people here never agree with the majority of your premises. And you're to partisanly deaf to have a conversation.

ZRX1200 wrote:



Wow, 2 talking points and an insult. Still haven't addressed the issue though. You are for higher taxes too I guess or wish tax cuts should be paid for. Good to know.
FuzzNJ
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14 years ago

You spit out a talking point looking for an argument. Now you're outraged because you got an argument? ...and now something is "pathetic"? Really, "pathetic? Are you sure you aren't being just a little bit dramatic?

HockeyDad wrote:



lol.

No, I'm pointing out I'm being argued with by people who have no idea of what is going on, just arguing for arguing sake. You know, like arguing for tax cuts with me when I am arguing for tax cuts. You know, 'outrageous' stuff.
HockeyDad
14 years ago

i read it and understood it completely. Sure you didn't say that the rich benefited less, but the way it was written was meant to convey that idea. It's very impressive and something politicians do frequently. Good job.

FuzzNJ wrote:





463 to 81. You already agree to the numbers now let it expire. Who gets hurt more?

HockeyDad
14 years ago

lol.

No, I'm pointing out I'm being argued with by people who have no idea of what is going on, just arguing for arguing sake. You know, like arguing for tax cuts with me when I am arguing for tax cuts. You know, 'outrageous' stuff.

FuzzNJ wrote:




But that is what you wanted...an argument! You should be happy.

What you haven't gotten into is why they are against it. Are they just against it because it was part of Obama's stimulus package and therefore must be bad or are they against it because of runaway spending and how it will be paid for. If you really cared to discuss it you would steer the conversation in that direction.

The Republican new-found love for fiscal responsibility is a wonderful thing. I bet I could still convince them that I needed another 200 billion USD for aircraft carriers and B-2s to prepare for potential war in asia and that I would fund it through issuance of treasuries that would be most likely bought by China. I would have them eating out of my hands!
HockeyDad
14 years ago


You can't wave your outrage at redistribution of wealth till the cows come home to occupy the couch.

ZRX1200 wrote:




You owe me two different copyright fees for that!
ZRX1200
14 years ago
™ outrage!

I thought you'd appreciate it.
wheelrite
14 years ago
Fuzz is a moron for posting this.

Even he knows Obummer only wants a 2 month extension so they can use the issue in the election,,
FuzzNJ
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14 years ago

Fuzz is a moron for posting this.

Even he knows Obummer only wants a 2 month extension so they can use the issue in the election,,

wheelrite wrote:




Democrats wanted the lower payroll tax rate and other provisions extended through 2012, but were weighing the idea of a fallback two-month extension to ensure that there will be no negative impact on Americans if Congress fails to reach a broader deal this week.

A Senate Democratic leadership aide said the two-month extension would set up further negotiations on a larger deal.

However, House Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio, said Friday that any attempt for a short-term extension of the payroll tax cut and unemployment benefits would be altered in the House.

http://articles.cnn.com/2011-12-16/politics/politics_congress-payroll-tax-cut_1_pipeline-provision-conservative-house-republicans-tax?_s=PM:POLITICS 
ZRX1200
14 years ago
So the Ds are throwing a tissie fit cuz they want a two month deal so that they can name call again at a later date instead of compromising now with a deal both sides can agree on.....shame on them.


Why so they hate the middle class?

Thanks.

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